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Posted: 2/22/2012 8:13:29 PM EDT
| I am a lifetime hunter (bolt actions rifles) that is looking at purchasing my first black rifle. I am by no means an extreme marksman, but think the more accurate your gear, the less it multiplies your screw ups. I will be predominantly using the rig for predator hunting and plinking. It will also by my when SHTF gun. I walk a crap load when I'm yote hunting, and get tired of lugging around a super heavy rifle. I think that the extremely accurate rifles are all bull barrel and weigh a ton. I'm looking for some thing light, yet durable and accurate. My sights have been set on a BCM RECCE 16 complete build. I have been pricing my options for the past few weeks and it doesn't seem I would save or get much more by buying the lower and upper separate, or other uppers of even lower quality. I am somewhat mechanically inclined, but I don't trust myself just yet to drop the money on parts and tools to do a custom build. That will have to wait. I will be using the rifle out to 300 yards (more as I progress as a shooter), scoped with a Leupold VX-2 in 4-12 with parallax adjustment. Not super fancy, but it will work. I like the $1200 price range which seems to be where I can get the RECCE. The Noveske, and DD are priced higher, not sure what I'd be getting for the extra money. What complete gun, or upper paired with an LMT or BCM lower(or some other I am missing), would be good for the book I wrote above? Thanks for the replies and not picking on the new kid. I appreciate any insight and am enjoying learning all about ARs. |
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This is slightly higher than your $1200 price point, but I think it's one of the nicest "hunting, plinking, SHTF" out of the box weapons out there right now. This would definitely be my pick for exactly what you're describing.
LaRue Tactical PredatAR Edit: 6.25 lbs unloaded without optics. Pretty dang light. |
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This is slightly higher than your $1200 price point, but I think it's one of the nicest "hunting, plinking, SHTF" out of the box weapons out there right now. This would definitely be my pick for exactly what you're describing. LaRue Tactical PredatAR Edit: 6.25 lbs unloaded without optics. Pretty dang light. +100 |
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This is slightly higher than your $1200 price point, but I think it's one of the nicest "hunting, plinking, SHTF" out of the box weapons out there right now. This would definitely be my pick for exactly what you're describing. LaRue Tactical PredatAR Edit: 6.25 lbs unloaded without optics. Pretty dang light. yep if ya can swing it that'd be my pick.  Sweet rig!
You don't find many hunters in this forum. It's kinda nice of late a few have floated in on light carry stick's. Mark hunts so I guess he understands a bit what someone might like in a walkin rifle. |
| Thanks for the replies. I actually took a look at that LaRue rifle last night. The LaRue did seem like exactly what I'm looking for with the exception of the price point. I have heard only good things about the brand, but my hankering for the rifle now may not allow me to get the extra 300-400 or so to get the Larue. Is the LaRue more accurate? What would the difference in weight be? BTW does anyone have any idea how much the BCM RECCE weighs sans optics? I can't seem to locate the weight in the entire wide world of webbing. |
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Thanks for the replies. I actually took a look at that LaRue rifle last night. The LaRue did seem like exactly what I'm looking for with the exception of the price point. I have heard only good things about the brand, but my hankering for the rifle now may not allow me to get the extra 300-400 or so to get the Larue. Is the LaRue more accurate? What would the difference in weight be? BTW does anyone have any idea how much the BCM RECCE weighs sans optics? I can't seem to locate the weight in the entire wide world of webbing. call um up and talk LaRue is straight up. Some get there panties in a bunch here.
kinda when he had complete carrier groups for sale back when things were tuff. back then. Folk's tried to bust his ball's....... LOL. No more carrier groups foe sale LOL! as usual the dummies missed out, as should be!LOL |
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Thanks for the replies. I actually took a look at that LaRue rifle last night. The LaRue did seem like exactly what I'm looking for with the exception of the price point. I have heard only good things about the brand, but my hankering for the rifle now may not allow me to get the extra 300-400 or so to get the Larue. Is the LaRue more accurate? What would the difference in weight be? BTW does anyone have any idea how much the BCM RECCE weighs sans optics? I can't seem to locate the weight in the entire wide world of webbing. I won't say that the Larue will be more accurate, because every barrel is different and without shooting it who knows, but if there were those two sitting on the table unfurled in front of me and I had to bet which one would be more accurate, my money would be on the Larue. My PredatAR came with a .417 factory test target... I can't shoot that good 
If you consider building from parts you could get a better feel for the weight of it and still do well in the accuracy department. |
| If I were to "pull my hat down tight, and just LaRue it" (sorry i had to do it), should i go with 16 or 18? From what I've read, I would gain a bit of velocity from the 18". I'm not sure how much that difference would make in the trajectory/ wind drift and terminal energy. Somehow the two are the same weight which I would imagine would be the biggest tradeoff. I know the 16" is more maneuverable. I guess I'm wondering what I'd be gaining by going to 18, Thanks again for all the replies and help. Hopefully I can return the favor at some point. |
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If I were to "pull my hat down tight, and just LaRue it" (sorry i had to do it), should i go with 16 or 18? From what I've read, I would gain a bit of velocity from the 18". I'm not sure how much that difference would make in the trajectory/ wind drift and terminal energy. Somehow the two are the same weight which I would imagine would be the biggest tradeoff. I know the 16" is more maneuverable. I guess I'm wondering what I'd be gaining by going to 18, Thanks again for all the replies and help. Hopefully I can return the favor at some point. The 6.25 number for weight on the Larue PredatAR is based off of the 16" model. |
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Thanks for the replies. I actually took a look at that LaRue rifle last night. The LaRue did seem like exactly what I'm looking for with the exception of the price point. I have heard only good things about the brand, but my hankering for the rifle now may not allow me to get the extra 300-400 or so to get the Larue. Is the LaRue more accurate? What would the difference in weight be? BTW does anyone have any idea how much the BCM RECCE weighs sans optics? I can't seem to locate the weight in the entire wide world of webbing. I won't say that the Larue will be more accurate, because every barrel is different and without shooting it who knows, but if there were those two sitting on the table unfurled in front of me and I had to bet which one would be more accurate, my money would be on the Larue. My PredatAR came with a .417 factory test target... I can't shoot that good
If you consider building from parts you could get a better feel for the weight of it and still do well in the accuracy department. Damn, do you know what distance the target was shot at? I feel as if I should have saved money and just bought a PredatAR instead of doing a custom build... too late now.
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Thanks for the replies. I actually took a look at that LaRue rifle last night. The LaRue did seem like exactly what I'm looking for with the exception of the price point. I have heard only good things about the brand, but my hankering for the rifle now may not allow me to get the extra 300-400 or so to get the Larue. Is the LaRue more accurate? What would the difference in weight be? BTW does anyone have any idea how much the BCM RECCE weighs sans optics? I can't seem to locate the weight in the entire wide world of webbing. I won't say that the Larue will be more accurate, because every barrel is different and without shooting it who knows, but if there were those two sitting on the table unfurled in front of me and I had to bet which one would be more accurate, my money would be on the Larue. My PredatAR came with a .417 factory test target... I can't shoot that good
If you consider building from parts you could get a better feel for the weight of it and still do well in the accuracy department. Damn, do you know what distance the target was shot at? I feel as if I should have saved money and just bought a PredatAR instead of doing a custom build... too late now.Pretty sure it was 100 yards. A quick google shows quite a few clocking in around the .3" mark. I don't think Larue ships them out unless they are shooting to a level where there will be no complaints. |
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If I were to "pull my hat down tight, and just LaRue it" (sorry i had to do it), should i go with 16 or 18? From what I've read, I would gain a bit of velocity from the 18". I'm not sure how much that difference would make in the trajectory/ wind drift and terminal energy. Somehow the two are the same weight which I would imagine would be the biggest tradeoff. I know the 16" is more maneuverable. I guess I'm wondering what I'd be gaining by going to 18, Thanks again for all the replies and help. Hopefully I can return the favor at some point. You would have to figure out your particular ammo choice, then you could head over to the ammo subforum and im sure one of the smart guys there could work out your ballistics for you. One thing to note is there currently is like.. around a 10 week wait, and I don't think they charge your card until you are on the assembly line... so technically I think if you were a couple hundred away now you could order and fill in the slack during the wait... but that is a risky game 
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From all the reading I've done, I'm surprised there are no calls for me to go BCM. It seems like everyone loves their rifles. The 16" RECCE from BCM is 6 pounds 10 oz, or 6.625 lbs. I would think 6 oz is a negligible amount. Especially since I have been hauling a savage model 10 predator in 22-250, weighing in at a whopping 8.5 lbs before optics. Breaking the purchase down a little further, the LaRue comes with the Geissele Two-Stage trigger (roughly $200) and the Magpul MOE Stock and Pistol Grip ($75-$85). That makes them about the same cost. I could add those to the BCM if I decided to. decisions decisions.... In other words I could get the steak dinner, or for dinner have a steak.
Hopefully I can make a decision before I need it. |
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From all the reading I've done, I'm surprised there are no calls for me to go BCM. It seems like everyone loves their rifles. The 16" RECCE from BCM is 6 pounds 10 oz, or 6.625 lbs. I would think 6 oz is a negligible amount. Especially since I have been hauling a savage model 10 predator in 22-250, weighing in at a whopping 8.5 lbs before optics. Breaking the purchase down a little further, the LaRue comes with the Geissele Two-Stage trigger (roughly $200) and the Magpul MOE Stock and Pistol Grip ($75-$85). That makes them about the same cost. I could add those to the BCM if I decided to. decisions decisions.... In other words I could get the steak dinner, or for dinner have a steak.
Hopefully I can make a decision before I need it. Eh, you also have to consider the balance. The PredatARs lightweight barrel makes it extremely easy to get the rifle to the proper balance.. the mid weight barrel on the BCM means just that much more weight you need to pop on the back for balance. And another point are the two barrel types... BCM barrels are great and all, but do they come with a test target from the factory? Typically the PredatARs have been coming with less than .5MOA targets. Who makes the barrels for BCM? No clue. All we know is they are 410SS. No clue who the blanks come from, no clue who is making them. Larue is LW50 SS direct from Lothar Walther. It doesn't really get better than that in SS. How many International Sniper Competitions has BCM won? They just aren't in the same class. Seriously though, if you are happy with the BCM and it fits what you need, go for it and don't let anyone tell you you made a mistake. Good luck and remember to post up baby pictures! |
| the weight balance makes sense, as dp the quality components. The BCM REECE I priced wasnt SS barrel, but that isnt the question anymore. I understand that the shorter the barrel on AR-s, the louder the bang. This isnt a huge thing, but quieter would be better. Should I go with the 18" barrel on the LaRue? What is the sound difference between the two? Or if noise is such a concern, should I give up the hopes of a light predator sniping midlength and go to a 20-24 heavier rifle? It's just too much money to not be positive it is what I want. Getting a suppressor looks expensive and difficult. |
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the weight balance makes sense, as dp the quality components. The BCM REECE I priced wasnt SS barrel, but that isnt the question anymore. I understand that the shorter the barrel on AR-s, the louder the bang. This isnt a huge thing, but quieter would be better. Should I go with the 18" barrel on the LaRue? What is the sound difference between the two? Or if noise is such a concern, should I give up the hopes of a light predator sniping midlength and go to a 20-24 heavier rifle? It's just too much money to not be positive it is what I want. Getting a suppressor looks expensive and difficult. I don't think the sound is going to be a huge issue. You won't see a big difference between the two. The 18" will give you more velocity though for longer shots, but you said you will be doing around 300 yards right? 16" will handle that fine. Are you concerned about sound from others/prey point of view or your own? You can get a linear compensator which directs the sound downrange, it will sound much better for you but not effect what is downrange. Also getting a suppressor really isn't difficult, there is a forum here dedicated to it, they can show you just what to do. But it can get expensive. Just don't put a brake on it... comps are fine, but brakes can get LOUD. |
| I spoke with LaRue and the wait is 14-16 weeks. That is a damn long time and basically made up my mind for me. I am wondering what upper receivers are comparable to the La Rue PredatAR in the $1000 range. I think i am going to go with a BCM Lower with Geisele SSA-E trigger. I just don't know what to put on top of it. The 3gh from stag looked promising, but I couldn't find the weight anywhere. I had decided to go with an 18" BCM SS, but they sold out of them today. Awesome. the weight was pretty close between it and the LaRue. |
| i was looking at a Noveske Rogue Hunter 18" 5.56 Upper. It is 4 3/4 lbs which will put me around 7 lbs total with the BCM lower. I know Noveske is known as an excellent brand, but dont know much about the build. I saw a couple posts with sub MOA accuracy. There is also the LaRue stealth sniper. I'm not sure how much it weighs, but I'm guessing there would be a pretty substantial wait time. Please give your two cents. I know that a lifetime rifle is worth a wait, but 4 months is like a lifetime when I am feeling the need. Knowing me, I will end up having at least two ARs, so if I dont like this build for what it is, I can always sell it off while waiting on the LaRue. I just can't imaging they are so far head and shoulders above everyone else. the funny thing is, I could probably buy a gun show crap AR and still shoot what I want. That would be too easy. |
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Did you go through Larues dealer list and see if anyone has one in stock ?
Personally after owning a few factory rifles and a few home builds and a predatAR I would say the PredatAR is completely worth the wait. You aren't going to find a rifle with the weight/balance/durability/accuracy of the PredatAR unless you build it yourself, and then it will cost more than the PredatAR in the first place. Did you check out the LW50 upper at Aimsurplus? Not quite as LW as the predatAR but it is a pretty good buy and Aim will work with you on the config if you call |
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Did you go through Larues dealer list and see if anyone has one in stock ? Personally after owning a few factory rifles and a few home builds and a predatAR I would say the PredatAR is completely worth the wait. You aren't going to find a rifle with the weight/balance/durability/accuracy of the PredatAR unless you build it yourself, and then it will cost more than the PredatAR in the first place. Did you check out the LW50 upper at Aimsurplus? Not quite as LW as the predatAR but it is a pretty good buy and Aim will work with you on the config if you call I called enough of the dealers to decide I was wasting my time calling the dealers. All of them said the same thing the LaRue rep did. It made me wonder why there are dealers. Right now I'm working with a couple companies trying to get an upper built with a Daniel Defense 18" CHF barrel. A rep at AIM said would save some weight, gain longevity, and not lose too much accuracy for the ranges I'm talking about shooting. Now that I type that it will probably sell out like every other thing that's been posted on this thread. I'm cursed. My lower order fell through (it was delayed a couple weeks, so I cancelled, the upper I was going to buy to match sold out), which isn't that big of a deal since now I can try and get a complete rifle. If you have any ideas on what else I should try on I'm hesitant to ask because it will sell out... so frustrating.
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| Firstly, everyone reading this should go buy something else and quit sniping my proposed gear. What about the Noveske Rogue Hunter? It's 18" SS and lightweight. It will probably sell out across the internet once i post this, but at least it will narrow my options. |
| I finally got the build complete. I found as rainier arms lower with a vltor stock, petty good price and I got it with fde furniture. The upper I built with a noveske bcg, bcm gunfighter ch, rainier arms upper, viking tactics fde extreme handguard, and a noveske spr barrel. The while unit weighs almost exactly 7 lbs. .25 lbs less than the larue. We will see if it holds the accuracy of the larue. I shot some bullets through it, but only at a 30 yrd range. I'll take it out this weekend for a real test. Thanks too everyone for their input I appreciate it. |
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