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Posted: 2/1/2012 11:04:00 PM EDT
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I've been eyeing a BAD-ASS ST (45 degree) selector for sometime now and wanted some feedback from those who currently run one. I know BAD recommendeds both levers be SHORT, but I was wondering if it was more comfortable to use a SHORT-THIN on the right side. I've never seen the ST in person, but it seems like the SHORT-THIN lever would be more comfortable against your trigger finger than the full thickness of the SHORT lever. I would also like to know who's selling these on the board? I've found a few websites, but most of the reputable ones seem to be out of stock.
Any feedback is appreciated... |
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http://store.ar15.com/store/index.html?cat=9 I think the site sells them, I have no personal experience with them |
I'm a righty and I have been running a window crank on the left side and a short lever on the right. It will touch the top of my hand if shooting offhand but I don't do much of that so it's not much of a concern. Overall I love the ST lever, to me it's a big improvement over the GI safety as I don't have to re-position my hand when engaging or disengaging.
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Thanks AIMLESS, but the store only has the 90 degree version as far as I can see.
I'm a righty also, and it appears that the only critical lever is on the thumb side as it will be doing all the work. That's why I thought the short-thin lever would be the least obtrusive on the right side, or perhaps even a CAP with no lever? |
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I shoot both left and right handed so I prefer to keep the levers the same on both sides.
That being said, I prefer the short-thick levers at the moment, but long-thick levers on both sides work pretty good too. If you figure that when your finger is off the trigger the gun should be on safe... it doesn't get in the way anyway. The genius of the entire setup though is that they have their free lever exchange program. So if you want to try another lever(s) they will send them to you free of charge and when you figure out which ones work better for you, you send the others ones back. So don't spend too much time trying to decide on the levers. I think if you order directly from their site they have a free 3rd lever promotion currently and there is a code somewhere for free shipping. |
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I shoot both left and right handed so I prefer to keep the levers the same on both sides. That being said, I prefer the short-thick levers at the moment, but long-thick levers on both sides work pretty good too. If you figure that when your finger is off the trigger the gun should be on safe... it doesn't get in the way anyway. The genius of the entire setup though is that they have their free lever exchange program. So if you want to try another lever(s) they will send them to you free of charge and when you figure out which ones work better for you, you send the others ones back. So don't spend too much time trying to decide on the levers. I think if you order directly from their site they have a free 3rd lever promotion currently and there is a code somewhere for free shipping. My long lost twin.  
Right know I have the two short fat levers installed. I tried the one long / one short but I found myself not reaching the short lever as easy. I'll have some range time this weekend and I'm going to try the long fat lever again but I like the window crank shape. As for the 45 throw, I REALLY like it a lot. 7mm |
Indeed, please email me your shipping address and full name, and I will send you the levers you want to try, there's no need to buy them 
The free lever exchange program is unconditional, place and time of purchase, and even the condition of the lever (used, beat up, painted) is immaterial
I like the standard lever on the thumb side. While the short levers are faster, they do require more force to rotate. The short-thin lever is tiny and hard to use, it's for folks that don't want to feel a lever with their trigger finger, but still want a lever there in case they do need it, it's a compromise. With a short throw selector though, I'd stick with a short lever (not short-thin) on the trigger finger side 
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My long lost twin.
Yeah I am right handed but left eye dominant so recently I've been training to shoot left handed when using a magnified optic (bench/prone). With a red dot I can shoot right handed, both eyes open. But now that I have 2 AR's for each purpose I will likely try the standard lever on the thumbsides. |
| I have 5 ST selectors (actually 6, but the 6th is still locked up in my dealer's safe waiting on NFA paperwork) and have tried almost every possible configuration of different levers. The thin levers didn't work for me - there just wasn't enough "pad" on them to get a good consistent grip on them. I personally prefer the long fat lever on the thumb side - gives you a very positive feel for activating the safety both up and down, and you know your thumb won't slip off of it. Also provides a good rest for my thumb, 1911-style. On the trigger finger side, I keep going back and forth between short fat and hybrid, with a slight edge going to the short fat lever. It's still wide enough to give you a good pad to ensure you won't miss the lever while trying to activate it in a hurry, and short enough to barely touch the trigger finger and not feel like it's in the way. The hybrid gives you a longer thin part of the lever, and a slightly shorter fat part than the short fat lever. I suppose if you have stubby/meaty fingers, the hybrid may feel more comfortable than the short fat lever to your trigger finger. I also have the crank lever on one of my selectors, and I'm not really "feeling" it - it just seems like it has more material where it should have less and less where it should have more, so I'll probably be sending it back and trading it for a long fat lever. In any event, the flexibility of this system, combined with the awesome customer service and lever exchange program, makes it a perfect add-on to any rifle. I've upgraded all of mine to BAD-ASS-ST and feel like it was one of the best upgrades I've done, and will use the the same selectors on all future builds. |
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The "safe" configuration is the standard lever on the thumb side, and short lever on the trigger finger side.
It's a safe recommendation because the short lever's harder to rotate due to its abbreviated length, and that can lead users to think the lever is hard to rotate. Swap it for a standard lever, it's much easier to flick. The other trigger finger side levers are highly subjective, and largely a matter of personal preference. Ed Avila (the boss of ar15.com) likes the hybrid on both sides, some folks like the crank, etc. Personally, I like the "safe" configuration because it's the most usable for me, all this means though, is that it works for me, not necessarily for others
We do have some stats to support that the standard + short is the most popular configuration. The free lever exchange program is the greatest service policy we could have devised to complement the fully modular aspect of our selector. The lever configuration decision isn't final at the time of purchase, or ever. We typically swap out levers a few times a week, sometimes we send the same customers different levers 2 or 3 times When we introduce new levers (which we have done every year), these new levers are free for exchange to existing customers thus they do not need to buy a new kit to be able to benefit from new development.
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I think I am going to put the Standard lever on the left side of both of my AR's. I just realized that when I shoot right handed, the standard lever is, well, standard.
When I shoot left handed on a bench or prone, I don't wrap my thumb around the grip so a standard lever on the standard side would work great there too. Are there any new levers coming out soon, Roger? |
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My favorite so far, as a RH shooter, is the standard on the thumb side and the hybrid on the alternate. The standard is easy to manipulate but unobtrusive as the primary lever. I find that the hybrid on the trigger finger side is cut perfectly to give me the most surface area and still clear my finger when on the trigger.
My only problem now is with all the spare levers I have accumulated to find the perfect setup, I could build 3 extra guns (if I had the barrels and detents of course). 
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http://store.ar15.com/store/index.html?cat=9 I think the site sells them, I have no personal experience with them hmmm doesnt look legit to me 
now the 45* ones, can they be used with any lower or only special ones? |
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45 degree compatible receivers
The only thing that makes it incompatible with legacy, 90 degree selector is the stainless steel pin. The removal of which makes it into a drop-in part, it will also void the warranty 
Spike's should be bringing out their soon 
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45 degree compatible receivers
The only thing that makes it incompatible with legacy, 90 degree selector is the stainless steel pin. The removal of which makes it into a drop-in part, it will also void the warranty
Spike's should be bringing out their soon now that is nice, i may have to pick one of those up |
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I hope you like it!
As an unwritten rule, first time short throw selector customers get a standard lever if their specified configuration does not include one. If they don't end up using it, it didn't cost them anything, if they do, they already have it without having to wait for us to exchange it. This has worked very well for first time short throw selector owners. A good rule of thumb for us is "what would we want if we were the customers?" What we would want for ourselves, we provide to our customers without charge or conditions. M16 selector owners receive an extra pair of screws and an extra wrench. This is going to filter down to all selectors this year
It's been suggested that we include a detent spring with the selector, we are still debating this. The extra screws and wrench make sense because they're not common household items (then again, which part of the AR is? ), having extras is insurance against potential loss. We've sent out screws and other parts to folks that lost them, though they're not covered under warranty, we have lots of unwritten warranties that will probably make an accountant's head explode
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