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12/2/2007 1:55:17 PM EDT
How does one authenticate a genuine KAC RAS? How are the airsoft versions different?

I just did a trade for a new RAS kit but the lettering is slightly different from my older Vero Beach RAS, the rail panels have a slightly different font on the shorter sections, and the VFG has a different font than my old one.  I normally wouldn't worry but I keep hearing abou tthe airsoft knock offs.

On the inside, it is marked:

KNIGHT'S ARMAMENT
COMPANY
Titusville,   FL
06/10/05

Thoughts?
12/2/2007 3:02:48 PM EDT
[#1]
Ive seen a few different markings on the rail panels and all were legit ones.



The best question is where are you trying to buy it from? If you are worried just buy from a good source and be done with it.
12/2/2007 3:16:10 PM EDT
[#2]
I got it on trade so I didn't buy it outright. I would have never worried about it 2 years ago but with the influx of Chinese knock offs, and their level of cosmetic authenticity, I figured I'd try to authenticate it before actually bolting it on a rifle.
12/2/2007 3:17:53 PM EDT
[#3]
Can you post a pic of the inside of the heat sheild (bottom rail)?



12/2/2007 3:57:41 PM EDT
[#4]
I have never seen a knock off stamped "Titusville" on the inside. All the ones I've heard of, or seen pics of were marked "Vero Beach". Most of the Chicom ones had writing on the outside under the top rail, and included a made up phone number. Knight's has changed fonts and wording a couple of times on the rail covers and VFG. Yours is probably legit.
12/2/2007 9:16:43 PM EDT
[#5]

Quoted:
How does one authenticate a genuine KAC RAS? How are the airsoft versions different?

I just did a trade for a new RAS kit but the lettering is slightly different from my older Vero Beach RAS, the rail panels have a slightly different font on the shorter sections, and the VFG has a different font than my old one.  I normally wouldn't worry but I keep hearing abou tthe airsoft knock offs.

On the inside, it is marked:

KNIGHT'S ARMAMENT
COMPANY
Titusville,   FL
06/10/05

Thoughts?


The older short rails were cut down 11rib panels using one mold. The newer short panels, in black, are now molded in the shorter length. The other colors are only molded in 11rib.

 
12/3/2007 2:01:53 AM EDT
[#6]
TITUSVILLE is the correct address

I would ONLY buy from a Recomended Dealer here !

Paul at BRAVOCOMPANY was out of KAC RAS

SO he sent me to OPERATION PARTS



I bought my KAC RAS close to 2 years or so

It has a Dull Like Finish




Came in a White box marked as follows

KNIGHT`S ARMAMENT COMPANY
   701 COLUMBIA BLVD.
TITUSVILLE, FLORIDA 32780
(321) 607-9900  FAX; (321) 268-1498
            P/N; 98064
M-4 ( RAS ) RAIL ADAPTER SYSTEM


Also came with 4 page DIRECTIONS

DATED ON BOTTOM OF EVERY PAGE IS


DEC 2005   1     INST-00044
12/3/2007 2:05:52 AM EDT
[#7]
Its to bad that there are so many FAKES out here
Aimpoint
Eotech
KAC
ETC

any Dealer that sells copy/Fake LOOK ALIKE  AR15 ADD ONS should be BANNED
12/3/2007 5:54:25 AM EDT
[#8]
Fas anyone commenting actually seen fake KAC gear? I've seen the knock off Aimpoints, but they are obvious & are advertised as Airsoft or as clones. I've never seen a KAC clone up close other than the Hong Kong suppliers & even they advertise their stuff as a clone or knock off. I'm curious what an actual clone KAC item looks like.
12/5/2007 9:47:29 AM EDT
[#9]
So what do the airsoft copies of the RAS look like?
12/5/2007 5:16:49 PM EDT
[#10]
I had a copy, it was a M4 FF type. It had the wrong phone no., the area code was for Long Beach, Ca. and the part no. was wrong. It looked good, but when comparing it to another RAS the machining of the rails was different.

There many companies that make knock offs.
12/6/2007 6:48:49 PM EDT
[#11]
Pics?
12/6/2007 7:14:55 PM EDT
[#12]
Here's what a real one looks like.



























12/6/2007 9:25:48 PM EDT
[#13]
One surefire way to check.

Did you pay entirely too much for an outdated, under performing design?

If so, you may have the genuine article!
12/6/2007 10:46:29 PM EDT
[#14]

Quoted:
Here's what a real one looks like.



www.box.net/shared/static/yuhhx1nzgq.jpg



www.box.net/shared/static/87zqpbjidm.jpg




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+1

also, some (newer?) are marked:

KNIGHT'S ARMAMENT
COMPANY
Titusville, FL
xx/xx/xx

ETA:
another thing to check are T, L, R and B numbers....some clones are markend in the wrong order
12/7/2007 1:03:49 PM EDT
[#15]
I checked again, mine is authentic. It's apparently just a different vintage that the other ones I've had. I figured out a small detail that convinced me it was authentic---the hex head bolt had the factory Loctite dab still on it and I'm pretty sure that the airsofters wouldn't go that far. Also, if their markings are incorrect, it should be a pretty easy ID.

Thanks.
12/7/2007 4:21:43 PM EDT
[#16]
Not_A_Lama


One surefire way to check.

Did you pay entirely too much for an outdated, under performing design?

If so, you may have the genuine article!


Oh Puhleese..... do tell....
12/7/2007 6:24:12 PM EDT
[#17]
Please tell us more, oh great rail wizard.


Quoted:
One surefire way to check.

Did you pay entirely too much for an outdated, under performing design?

If so, you may have the genuine article!
12/7/2007 6:24:18 PM EDT
[#18]
Double tap
12/8/2007 2:44:25 AM EDT
[#19]

Quoted:
One surefire way to check.

Did you pay entirely too much for an outdated, under performing design?

If so, you may have the genuine article!



I PAID ALOT FOR MY KAC RAS AND KAC VPG


On my RAS the T markings are Faded out Dull looking
and the ANODIZING isnt rich and dark

I thought It was a FAKE as soon as I got ot it


But It came from a RECOMENDED DEALER OPERATIONPARTS.COM
Paul at Bravo company didnt have any Left instock  so he sent me to Operationparts.com



I think US GUYS will be Fine If we buy from the Dealers here
12/8/2007 7:18:35 AM EDT
[#20]
I pulled off my lower rail

The markings are

ARROW pointing  FOWARD , KAC LOGO, KNIGHT`S ARMAMENT COMPANY
( like the above)


The upper rail on inside has
KNIGHT`S ARMAMENT
    COMPANY
 Titusville , FL
  6/19/06
12/11/2007 1:38:36 PM EDT
[#21]

Quoted:
I had a copy, it was a M4 FF type. It had the wrong phone no., the area code was for Long Beach, Ca. and the part no. was wrong. It looked good, but when comparing it to another RAS the machining of the rails was different.

There many companies that make knock offs.


I just got some used RAS panels from the EE, and damned if one of them wasn't a knockoff.  Has the phone number 561-562-5697 under the Vero Beach, FL marking, and was made of cheap feeling, softer, and glossier than normal plastic.  Probably not worth the trouble to mail back, but it still leaves a bad taste in my mouth.  Friggin' airsofters ESAD!

Paladin

ETA: Some guys set me straight, likely did NOT get a knockoff, just an older version.
12/11/2007 2:01:19 PM EDT
[#22]
Don't know whats worse...unknowingly buying a fake KAC RAS or unknowingly buying a real, stolen, govt property RAS
12/11/2007 2:37:29 PM EDT
[#23]

Quoted:
One surefire way to check.

Did you pay entirely too much for an outdated, under performing design?

If so, you may have the genuine article!



Whats under performing about it? It does the job exactly as it is supposed to... What because its not the newest fangled peice of hardware out there? Ive used KAC rail systems for years both in combat and on my own weapons without a single issue.  
12/11/2007 2:44:18 PM EDT
[#24]

Quoted:

Quoted:
I had a copy, it was a M4 FF type. It had the wrong phone no., the area code was for Long Beach, Ca. and the part no. was wrong. It looked good, but when comparing it to another RAS the machining of the rails was different.

There many companies that make knock offs.


I just got some used RAS panels from the EE, and damned if one of them wasn't a knockoff.  Has the phone number 561-562-5697 under the Vero Beach, FL marking, and was made of cheap feeling, softer, and glossier than normal plastic.  Probably not worth the trouble to mail back, but it still leaves a bad taste in my mouth.  Friggin' airsofters ESAD!

Paladin


Having Vero Beach inscribed on a panel doesn't mean they're fakes. Just means they're of older make. That's their old address.
12/11/2007 4:04:20 PM EDT
[#25]
What about the West Palm Beach area code in the phone number?  And the plastic being totally different from one's I already have?

Paladin
12/11/2007 5:33:22 PM EDT
[#26]

Quoted:

Quoted:
I had a copy, it was a M4 FF type. It had the wrong phone no., the area code was for Long Beach, Ca. and the part no. was wrong. It looked good, but when comparing it to another RAS the machining of the rails was different.

There many companies that make knock offs.


I just got some used RAS panels from the EE, and damned if one of them wasn't a knockoff.  Has the phone number 561-562-5697 under the Vero Beach, FL marking, and was made of cheap feeling, softer, and glossier than normal plastic.  Probably not worth the trouble to mail back, but it still leaves a bad taste in my mouth.  Friggin' airsofters ESAD!

Paladin


That was their real phone number. Look here:
www.quarterbore.com/library/pdf_files/kac_ras_inst.pdf

I think you may have an older one, I also have a 2 rib w/ that number also and my RAS is dated 2000
12/11/2007 5:40:33 PM EDT
[#27]
That makes me feel better!  The difference in the plastic makes the oddball panel really look different from the others though.  I'm guessing they make the panels out of different material than the old ones.  Thanks for the info.

Paladin
12/11/2007 6:51:00 PM EDT
[#28]

Quoted:
That makes me feel better!  The difference in the plastic makes the oddball panel really look different from the others though.  I'm guessing they make the panels out of different material than the old ones.  Thanks for the info.

Paladin



Ive got several knights products and they all have slightly different markings. They will even change the markings from when they were made to the next batch. Theres no one end all marking that they use...
12/12/2007 10:14:28 AM EDT
[#29]
Few pics from my personal collection.

Aimpoint mounts




FF RAS Rifle length




FF RAS Medium




Panels




Vertical grip


12/12/2007 11:37:44 AM EDT
[#30]

Quoted:

Quoted:

Quoted:
I had a copy, it was a M4 FF type. It had the wrong phone no., the area code was for Long Beach, Ca. and the part no. was wrong. It looked good, but when comparing it to another RAS the machining of the rails was different.

There many companies that make knock offs.


I just got some used RAS panels from the EE, and damned if one of them wasn't a knockoff.  Has the phone number 561-562-5697 under the Vero Beach, FL marking, and was made of cheap feeling, softer, and glossier than normal plastic.  Probably not worth the trouble to mail back, but it still leaves a bad taste in my mouth.  Friggin' airsofters ESAD!

Paladin


Having Vero Beach inscribed on a panel doesn't mean they're fakes. Just means they're of older make. That's their old address.




I do think there are FAKE Plastic Rail Covers out there!

With Vero beach address and Titusville


BTW

My  KAC RAS & KAC VPG came from OPERATIONPARTS

The pannels just say   KINGHT`S ARMAMENT

My Extra 6 RIB Rail Panel came it Plastic wrap with KAC P/N 97168
also has PH # and FAX #


I DONT THINK OPERATIONPARTS SELL FAKES??  but I could be WRONG
12/12/2007 1:26:36 PM EDT
[#31]

Quoted:

Quoted:

Quoted:

Quoted:
I had a copy, it was a M4 FF type. It had the wrong phone no., the area code was for Long Beach, Ca. and the part no. was wrong. It looked good, but when comparing it to another RAS the machining of the rails was different.

There many companies that make knock offs.


I just got some used RAS panels from the EE, and damned if one of them wasn't a knockoff.  Has the phone number 561-562-5697 under the Vero Beach, FL marking, and was made of cheap feeling, softer, and glossier than normal plastic.  Probably not worth the trouble to mail back, but it still leaves a bad taste in my mouth.  Friggin' airsofters ESAD!

Paladin


Having Vero Beach inscribed on a panel doesn't mean they're fakes. Just means they're of older make. That's their old address.




I do think there are FAKE Plastic Rail Covers out there!

With Vero beach address and Titusville


BTW

My  KAC RAS & KAC VPG came from OPERATIONPARTS

The pannels just say   KINGHT`S ARMAMENT

My Extra 6 RIB Rail Panel came it Plastic wrap with KAC P/N 97168
also has PH # and FAX #


I DONT THINK OPERATIONPARTS SELL FAKES??  but I could be WRONG


Right. There are clones of just about very AR accessory out there. Just answering the other poster's question directly. Having Vero Beach doesn't neccessarily indicate a fake. There are variations on every KAC piece I own as well as everyone else. I also get my KAC gear from Operation Parts. Outstanding company to deal with.
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