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Posted: 4/15/2007 10:10:31 PM EDT
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What works best and is in the $80 range? Kinda pointless for .223 but it does make some sense.. friend wants to put one on his rifle so recovery time is quicker(using a scope it jumps a bit). |
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I guess I'll be the lone dissenting voice here on the PRI. I am not all that impressed with it. Maybe I expected too much. It's NOT quiet at all, and I still get more muzzle flip / recoil than necessary to make quick followup shots. I keep hoping someone on here (industry professsional  ) will test the PRI and the DNTC side by side, and post the results. I've seen a comparison here between the DNTC and some others but not the PRI.
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Has anyone ever tested all these brakes together to truely see which one is the best? It seems that a new product comes out and everyone is raving about it. not trying to highjack or anything but I am very curious because it will save me and maybe others from waisting our money. |
Might wanna be careful advertising...if this is indeed your product. Not to mention...have any proof to back up your claim? As the differences between brakes..IMO have so many factors that play into it and while one person may love one brake...one may love another. It's all speculative really. |
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Thanks for the warning. I designed it, but I don't sell it. I have nothing to do with the retail store. I agree regarding the subjectiveness of any recoil reducing design. There are many, many factors that can affect it's performance, but I think you have to look at the end result. I shoot quite a bit of 3-gun competition and winning is important to me and my sponsors. If this design didn't work, or wasn't the best out there, I wouldn't be using it. I would use someone elses. I think I've designed a better mousetrap and can articulate why, but not here. If you really want to know, PM me and we can talk about compensator design and I'll give you my take on it. I've shot this comp against the Miculek, Cooley, JP Tank brake, F2, Rolling Thunder, MSTN QC, and several others that most people wouldn't know. The Titan was noticeably better than some, others not as much. I would put it on par with the JP tank brake, but in a smaller package. Check out the videos and see for yourself. VSP |
| You know what I would like to see is an average shooter shoot all these brakes on a stock AR15. Yeah the above video looks impresive but so do all the rest and its always with one brake. I think these guys are professionals, they know how to set up their weapons and shoot them and I would be willing to guess that any brake would do. I bought a brake that was supposed to be the best but I really don't see much off an improvement. |
With all due respect, by that logic, then the MSTN QC is the best because Taran Butler uses it, and the AK Concepts DNTC is the best because Dave Neth uses it. Regards, Justin |
| The mstn brake is not the best because Taran uses it. Taran uses it because he is sponsored by mstn. I have shot all these comps side by side except for the Titan and I find that the JPcooley, and the F2 comp noticeably better than the others. The miculek, mstn comp and the akconcepts are close also, but not in the same recovery zone as the JP and F2. The Triangle Rolling thunder is closer to the JP and looking at the design of the Titan it is probably close to the thunder also. I know the designer of the Titan and respect his opinion. He also has the advantage of being able to shoot as much or more than many of us on this board. I would be interested to try it, but will continue to compare it to what I consider the best comp on the market for tactical 3-gun the JPCooley. |
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Cityslicker, You are correct. As stated earlier, compensator performance is a very subjective thing. For Taran and Dave, those are the ones that they prefer. Taran has his rifles built by MSTN and the comp is part of the package. Dave was involved in the design of his comp and it suits his needs. You should also consider that being a top 3 gun shooter requires skill in all three systems (Pistol, Rifle, & Shotgun.) A good rifle is only 1/3 of the equation. Both Taran and Dave and very talented with a pistol and a shotgun, which only contributes to their winning performances. Chewbacca, As stated by others, the Sabre Gill is more of a muzzle brake design instead of a compensator. When compared to other designs it is lacking a bit. VSP |
That's reasonable.  Regards, Justin |
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Virtually every decent brake is "best" for someone. Shooting styles and perceptions are individual, so no brake is going to be perfect for all. When we did the prototyping for the QC Brake we had specific criteria we wanted to meet. 1- muzzle rise neutral. No progressive nosediving, or gradual rise during full auto. The QC is popular with a lot of f/a shooters. 2- as short as possible and still effective. Taran wanted to add as little length as possible, some of those staged "hallways" are tight. The QC adds just under 1.5" to overall length. 3- quiet enough to shoot with plugs only. all brakes are loud, some are truly painful. Unless you get up along side a QC there is little concussion to shooter or bystanders. RO's have commented that they get less blast, a nice break for them too. 4- tough enough to last the life of a precision barrel. We tested a LOT of brakes, and some lasted as few as 300 rounds before the first baffle shot out. Ours wear out too, but most will go 5000 rounds or more before function is affected. 5- no reduction in accuracy. Our QC's won't make a poor barrel shoot better, but they retain all the accuracy potential. We do build Taran's guns, and he had a lot of input on the QC brakes. He shoots them because he likes them and can change if he likes as well. (A lot of competition shooters are shooting our stuff now, latest is Chris Tilley.) The brakes work well and we will keep working to improve them. An important thing to keep in mind is that the shooter has a lot to do with how a particular brake works for him. How the gun is held, where it shoulders, etc., will have material effects on what the sights do. If you can, try to shoot different guns with brakes set up correctly for that rifle. Some you will like, others you won't. Hopefully, you will miss the fun of having a crate full of ones you don't like much. |
| I don't know about the latest, greatest boutique match comps, but I've been running a Bushmaster AK comp on my 14.5" BM HB for years and you can't see it lift at all on semi or full auto. It's threaded, and also has a set screw, about 3 or 4 holes in top ..........my 3 sense worth. A good friend also has one on his semi. I think they're about $35 or so. Fantastic for the price. It may be |
I never used the .223 version, but the 6.8 version is sweet. The thing I like the best about it is the sweet sound. It sounds like a .308 bolt gun. But it won't blow your ear off if you ACCIDENTALLY forget to put your earplugs on. |
That really doesn't make much sense. The first thing you need when testing any piece of equipment is testers who are qualified to tell the relative strenths and weaknesses of each item being tested. If you can't shoot very accurately, very quickly, then none of the comps will make much of a difference, or more correctly, they will all feel pretty much the same. |
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I don't know what the big deal about noisy brakes/comps is. In my course of test firing uppers and shooting 3 gun, I have used most of them as well. From the shooters perspective, I don't really notice the noise from ANY brake/comp. Of course I hate most of them when I am acting RO and have to run along with the shooter. Once the buzzer goes off, you get tunnel vision and your senses dull. All you do is put the sight on the target and squeeze. Everything else (noisy comps, barricades, obstacles, hostages, bad weather and nuclear wars) are just things that happened before you finished the stage... |
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Randall, you are correct that as a shooter running a stage you will not notice whether a comp is loud or not, but you audiologist will. Even a few db's can make a big difference in accumulated hearing loss and I need all the hearing I have left! All those years hunting with no protection has taken a toll. I now use two Walker game ears when hunting. Crank up the volume and turkeys two miles away sound like they are about to bust in on me! The reason we tried to keep the brake comfortable for plugs, instead of having to double plug, was for practicing (when you will notice the difference). Even with the best muffs a rifle stock can easily break the seal occasionally and an unprotected .223 blast is painful. Plus, muffs are hot as hell half the year in many places so plugs only are a joy. Edited to add: On the OPS Inc brake. Excellent as a mount for the OPS Inc suppressor, not the best brake ever, but was not designed to be either. |
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I've owned or shot all listed on this page... The best feeling to me was the F2. Plus it says Made in Texas on the bottom. B |
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