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NSWDG/Delta/AFSOC Recce Clone Picture and Discussion Thread (Page 136 of 137)
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Originally Posted By JohnnyUtah427:  Originally Posted By JohnnyUtah427: Originally Posted By Omega9000: Don’t worry fellas, I’m sure some will be on GB shortly. Lot of scalpers in this niche space. LOL just how it is. Cant tell you many times I’ve seen things sold and reposted in a few weeks for a significant percentage. Hell Ive definitely sold things and bought the same item months later at a higher price 
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| Guys, this has absolutely nothing to do with money or what the better gas system is. I don’t care about any of that. These kits were supposed to be “to upgrade your current 15.1″ Recce build to the correct suppressor and barrel setup.” The kits were supposedly intended for people who care about having the correct coatings and markings, the history and story behind the guns. Guys who have spent countless hours in here or on other forums digging through photos and videos for solid source material. Explaining to my wife what capped and uncapped windage turrets are, the difference between Vero 99167 and 21318, and what 1.25 inches of back spacing means is as much part of the game as buying parts twice is. This isn’t about this or that, it about wanting to be clone correct and that’s it. |
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Originally Posted By medieval_flail: I've already lost interest for the most part. Cloning during Trump slump with drop culture weeding its way deeper into everything, meanwhile the correct parts are barely even available, and I need to sell my incorrect parts to recoup money? I'm good. When did this drop culture bull shit become mainstream? Seams to be everything now. It all ends up going to scalpers and nothing gets built out of it. Disappointing trend for sure! |
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Originally Posted By Marz1024: Guys, this has absolutely nothing to do with money or what the better gas system is. I don’t care about any of that. These kits were supposed to be “to upgrade your current 15.1″ Recce build to the correct suppressor and barrel setup.” The kits were supposedly intended for people who care about having the correct coatings and markings, the history and story behind the guns. Guys who have spent countless hours in here or on other forums digging through photos and videos for solid source material. Explaining to my wife what capped and uncapped windage turrets are, the difference between Vero 99167 and 21318, and what 1.25 inches of back spacing means is as much part of the game as buying parts twice is. This isn’t about this or that, it about wanting to be clone correct and that’s it. I’d follow you into battle. |
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They could have done a list of a certain amount for forum members, like what Bauer did with AAC M42k FDE cans…. It would have given the real cloners a chance…maybe….maybe not. Like what omega was implying…you’ll probably be able to get the kit in a few weeks for $2k+……. |
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Originally Posted By JohnnyUtah427: They could have done a list of a certain amount for forum members, like what Bauer did with AAC M42k FDE cans…. It would have given the real cloners a chance…maybe….maybe not. Like what omega was implying…you’ll probably be able to get the kit in a few weeks for $2k+……. |
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Originally Posted By Redhead45: Ya it took me like 15-20 minutes to check out and then said out of stock. Huge disappointment to me. I wanted the can mainly cuz of oxide coating. I ended up just buying a lilja barrel last night. I just hope I won’t be disappointed with carbine gas cuz I was running midlength and I prefer that. Can anyone compare shooting carbine vs mid gas system how it shoots? Huge difference? With a BRT gas tube, an H2 buffer, and a JP centerless ground buffer springI don’t notice any difference with my Lilja vs various midlength setups I have when feeding it MK262. With 55 gr .223 pressure stuff I had multiple FTF malfunctions and really slow bolt speed. Had to drop down to a carbine buffer for training ammo. |
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Originally Posted By methical20: Clone heresy, but.... honestly, just wait for the AE/Craddock Precision mid-length that they're coming out with. Those will be a regularly stocked item. Straight from AE, they much prefer how the Craddock barrels shoot over the Lilja and install is simplified by having a built-in step for the collar. I understand the clone factor, but man, it's hard to justify an overpriced 16" carbine gas barrel in 2025. I have no doubt that those Craddock barrels group well, but my Lilja has also been lights out with MK262. I’ve tried posting pictures every which way I know how but they don’t seem to work |
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Originally Posted By TVA21: I have no doubt that those Craddock barrels group well, but my Lilja has also been lights out with MK262. https://imgur.com/gallery/ZwzStqZ#YWMlnad https://imgur.com/gallery/ZwzStqZ#9Nl40hv https://imgur.com/gallery/dJWHQeA#LzomCEZ https://imgur.com/gallery/dJWHQeA#WtBeTkL Links don't work. Am I going to get a virus now? |
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Originally Posted By Rothperson87: When did this drop culture bull shit become mainstream? Seams to be everything now. It all ends up going to scalpers and nothing gets built out of it. Disappointing trend for sure! Originally Posted By Rothperson87: When did this drop culture bull shit become mainstream? Seams to be everything now. It all ends up going to scalpers and nothing gets built out of it. Disappointing trend for sure! After Covid when demand surged past supply and skateboard/merch slop/techbro/glowmar people came to the tactical hobby. DEFCON, Supdef, Noveske post John, FOG, GBRS, etc plus the dwindling supply of genuine GWOT milsurp for clones. It's a double edged sword cause prices and demand are up but so is scrutiny of brands and technology. Originally Posted By Marz1024: Guys, this has absolutely nothing to do with money or what the better gas system is. Then wait for one to show up for resale. |
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Originally Posted By officerX: Can anybody help me out with a link to the correct optic mount? I’ve seen it posted that it’s a Unimount 34mm but there appears to be several different versions of it. I finally got the scope so I need to get it mounted. I'll probably never have the LVAW can but other than that, mine should be pretty correct. https://www.ar15.com/media/mediaFiles/335460/IMG_4342-3664997.jpg Anybody? |
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Originally Posted By Hobbstc1: Which 15.1” barrel are you running? I put together mine with a CLE but haven’t had a chance to shoot it yet. Also I’m curious how carbine length is gonna work on the correct 17” Lilia barrel. Just seems odd on paper even though I know it’s correct. I have been very happy with the M4 Lilja 17". Yes, it has that huge .80" port at the carbine location. I simply installed an adjustable gas block and experimented with various ammo and set it to reliably cycle the weakest, which happens to be my match hand loads for 100-200 yard bench. I then locked it down. It might be a bit "snappy" for full power 5.56 loads, but the carbine seems not to mind it. Accuracy is, as expected, benchrest grade. Those Berger 52gr Flat Base bullets in Lapua cases, benchrest prepped, FGGM primers, a load of 4850 that it prefers, and it is deeply sub MOA. Actually sub 1/2 MOA when I don't screw it up. I see Lilja makes a 15.1 version of that barrel for those who are interested. Yeah, I know these are pricey, but they only make hand lapped air gauged benchrest quality, and it is correct for this build. |
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Originally Posted By officerX: I doubt I’ll ever have an LVAW can, so this is it! https://www.ar15.com/media/mediaFiles/335460/IMG_0685-3680416.jpg This is awesome! |
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Haha. They got Fred and Barney out there chiseling barrel extensions out of bedrock. |
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| Recce kit got delivered to the SOT. Suppressor is perfect. My gunsmith said the barrel extension is cut well, just sharp so he’s gonna smooth it just a bit. They did laugh at the syringe of red Loctite included. Anyway, upper is being put together and suppressor will be put through the system as soon as it’s back up again. Gonna make the 15.1 a gen 3 look. |
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Originally Posted By Hobbstc1: Recce kit got delivered to the SOT. Suppressor is perfect. My gunsmith said the barrel extension is cut well, just sharp so he’s gonna smooth it just a bit. They did laugh at the syringe of red Loctite included. Anyway, upper is being put together and suppressor will be put through the system as soon as it’s back up again. Gonna make the 15.1 a gen 3 look. Also going for a gen 3 upper with my 15.1” setup. If this doesn’t belong because it’s not the correct barrel and can, I’ll deleteAttached File |
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Originally Posted By Three0h8: Also going for a gen 3 upper with my 15.1” setup. If this doesn’t belong because it’s not the correct barrel and can, I’ll deletehttps://www.ar15.com/media/mediaFiles/468563/IMG_8116_jpeg-3685618.JPG Looks pretty friggen sweet! |
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 So I've been out of the clone game for awhile. I have not really followed the Lilja confirmation and Allen M4 Reece Kit. I have both a 15.1" Reece and an OG seal Reece with the Lilja barrel and BE Meyers FH. Does Allen Engineering plan on making and selling just the collar to fit on the Lilja barrel without having to machine a step? Could I easily convert my Lilja? |
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Originally Posted By beefboi99: https://imgur.com/gallery/collar-gLJ5FJ5 So I've been out of the clone game for awhile. I have not really followed the Lilja confirmation and Allen M4 Reece Kit. I have both a 15.1" Reece and an OG seal Reece with the Lilja barrel and BE Meyers FH. Does Allen Engineering plan on making and selling just the collar to fit on the Lilja barrel without having to machine a step? Could I easily convert my Lilja? |
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Originally Posted By thatARMSguy: Yes, the collar doesn't require a step. You basically just put it in the right position and loctite it down. I assume they didn't wanna have to pull the guns apart to retrofit them with the suppressors so they went that route Originally Posted By thatARMSguy: Originally Posted By beefboi99: https://imgur.com/gallery/collar-gLJ5FJ5 So I've been out of the clone game for awhile. I have not really followed the Lilja confirmation and Allen M4 Reece Kit. I have both a 15.1" Reece and an OG seal Reece with the Lilja barrel and BE Meyers FH. Does Allen Engineering plan on making and selling just the collar to fit on the Lilja barrel without having to machine a step? Could I easily convert my Lilja? |
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Originally Posted By beefboi99: Do you know if AE plans on selling this collar by itself? I contacted them a few weeks ago with this same question - I was told they will offer it separately at some point in the future, but that it will have a black oxide finish, rather than the raw stainless of the "originals" / kit version. Hope this helps. |
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Mine isn’t as cool because it’s an AEM5, but you’re going to like that gun. Had mine out a few weekends ago and it’s a very handy rifle. 
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I’ll look past the M4 lower but would you like ketchup or mustard for your Hotdog? |
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Originally Posted By medieval_flail: Anyone have info on these? Kinda over cloning these for now but I'd still like a facsimile if these barrels are well made. https://www.aesuppressors.com/product/ae-recce-barrel/ https://www.aesuppressors.com/wp-content/uploads/2026/01/thumbnail_AE-RECCE.png For all intents they are much better than the clone barrels. Better barrel maker IMO, better finish, better gas system, better port size along with that...can't really go wrong tbh. |
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Originally Posted By the-answer-is-42: For all intents they are much better than the clone barrels. Better barrel maker IMO, better finish, better gas system, better port size along with that...can't really go wrong tbh. Who is the maker? Lilja shot well but the barrel extension was ridiculous for the price |
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Originally Posted By the-answer-is-42: I thought they said in the YouTube video these were made by craddock? They didn't say or give any other specs really. Craddock is usually up front about collabs. Important info since the barrel is running a little over $500 in that package. |
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Trying to decide on a barrel for a recce. Either 16 or 15.1 p&w. I see lilija is garbage these days. Craddock seems good but $700+ for bartlein blank seems expensive. |
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Originally Posted By Chromekilla: Trying to decide on a barrel for a recce. Either 16 or 15.1 p&w. I see lilija is garbage these days. Craddock seems good but $700+ for bartlein blank seems expensive. I bought the RTR Craddock 15.1" Modern Recce Intermediate gas length barrel with their tapered gas block for right around $500 back in November. That barrel is super accurate and right on par with my 16" Centurion MOD H barrel. Craddock also offers a RTR mid length gas version of that 15.1" barrel, which is slightly cheaper than the one I bought, and Centurion also offers a mid length 15.1" barrel. |
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Originally Posted By dugedug: Got the new AE M4 Recce barrel and can setup. https://i.imgur.com/6lddMEz.jpeg https://i.imgur.com/jtmqvzt.jpeg https://i.imgur.com/8kdFML3.jpeg https://i.imgur.com/7x0DXvk.jpeg https://i.imgur.com/Iypqtc8.jpeg She's a thicc girl. Nearly 2.5lbs over my Mod H. https://i.imgur.com/dVWGTJq.jpeg Originally Posted By dugedug: Got the new AE M4 Recce barrel and can setup. https://i.imgur.com/6lddMEz.jpeg https://i.imgur.com/jtmqvzt.jpeg https://i.imgur.com/8kdFML3.jpeg https://i.imgur.com/7x0DXvk.jpeg https://i.imgur.com/Iypqtc8.jpeg She's a thicc girl. Nearly 2.5lbs over my Mod H. https://i.imgur.com/dVWGTJq.jpeg High hopes for these, would love to see some 77gr groups Originally Posted By Chromekilla: Trying to decide on a barrel for a recce. Either 16 or 15.1 p&w. I see lilija is garbage these days. Craddock seems good but $700+ for bartlein blank seems expensive. While I didn't have my 15.1 long enough to get groups, it seemed very accurate. The biggest issue with Lilja is the extension, which can be polished, and the price given that it's not. |
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Originally Posted By medieval_flail: High hopes for these, would love to see some 77gr groups While I didn't have my 15.1 long enough to get groups, it seemed very accurate. The biggest issue with Lilja is the extension, which can be polished, and the price given that it's not. Yeah I'm leaning towards the fluted one from craddock or maybe a 16 Douglas. I know lilija used to make good kit, but that extension looks like I could do with a Dremel. If I'm dropping that coin on premium kit it better be it in every way. I've debated getting one and trying to put on a bats extension. I get things happen, but from what I recall reading on the customer service when the issue was raised it's a non starter for me. |
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