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Posted: 8/1/2017 11:34:11 PM EDT
| I saw someone use a tool that looked like a two-pronged fork to un-jam a stuck bolt/bolt carrier after chambering a handloaded round that had an out-of-spec case and would not chamber all the way. He put it up in the magazine well and leveraged the bolt carrier backward. It looked like it was made of steel. Does anyone know of this tool, and where I can purchase one? |
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That tool is awfully expensive for what it does. U.S. Tool and Design is my company and this is my product. I am glad that this concern has been brought up. I have been going back and forth with moving manufacturing overseas, which is not an idea I am fond of but seems to be the only way to reduce the overall cost. If its something the gun loving public isn't opposed to I would consider it as an option. - Nick |
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Hey Guys, U.S. Tool and Design is my company and this is my product. I am glad that this concern has been brought up. I have been going back and forth with moving manufacturing overseas, which is not an idea I am fond of but seems to be the only way to reduce the overall cost. If its something the gun loving public isn't opposed to I would consider it as an option. - Nick |
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Not ideal, but if you don't, sooner or later someone is going to rip off your design, make it in China, and sell them on ebay. Â Hell, that will probably happen even if you do move overseas. |
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Hey Guys, U.S. Tool and Design is my company and this is my product. I am glad that this concern has been brought up. I have been going back and forth with moving manufacturing overseas, which is not an idea I am fond of but seems to be the only way to reduce the overall cost. If its something the gun loving public isn't opposed to I would consider it as an option. - Nick |
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How much money would that save? I'm not sure the difference will be all that much. Something I am still fighting with. |
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I don't think I have a need for your tool, but I do try to buy things made in America whenever possible. I'm willing to pay more. I'll avoid made in China at all costs (bought a pair of Merril hiking shoes today and some were made in Vietnam and some in China. Not the only factor in my decision but I did get a Vietnam pair)
ETA: I think Made in USA holds a lot more value in the firearm community than the general community. |
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Well it has received a provisional patent and is in the final stretch of the patent process now. We are pretty confident that we will receive the patent, so that isn't much of a concern. Quoted:
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Not ideal, but if you don't, sooner or later someone is going to rip off your design, make it in China, and sell them on ebay. Â Hell, that will probably happen even if you do move overseas. |
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Hey Guys, U.S. Tool and Design is my company and this is my product. I am glad that this concern has been brought up. I have been going back and forth with moving manufacturing overseas, which is not an idea I am fond of but seems to be the only way to reduce the overall cost. If its something the gun loving public isn't opposed to I would consider it as an option. - Nick Quoted:
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That tool is awfully expensive for what it does. U.S. Tool and Design is my company and this is my product. I am glad that this concern has been brought up. I have been going back and forth with moving manufacturing overseas, which is not an idea I am fond of but seems to be the only way to reduce the overall cost. If its something the gun loving public isn't opposed to I would consider it as an option. - Nick Bespoke quality and pride of ownership has a definite place in the market. |
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That's a slick little device, $35 shipped doesn't seem too bad for the 5.56 one being made in the US. Maybe default to the 5.56 so people aren't sticker shocked and then view the multi caliber as only a $10 upgrade.  Personally, I usually mortar. However if I'm feeling lazy, I've been known to slide a Gerber multi tool into the chamber. I think it's cool you have designed a specific tool for the job. |
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Make a youtube video and have it on your web page showing $100 stocks, charging handles, and buffer tubes, etc. getting all broke the eff up by mortaring. Then show your tool easy peasy clearing a stuck bolt. Emphasize the fact that you'd rather make it in the USA and not "sell out" to Chicoms. Plus push the FACT that some ten thumbed numbnuts could possibly kill themselves trying to clear a live round by pogoing a rifle. And I'm only half kidding on the next thing, but, laser etching one of those "Don't tread on me" flags on it, and showing if you can't clear the jam fast enough, one could kill a zombie with a forehead strike by your tool. Seriously though, $45 isn't all that much money. Don't people pay that for cigarettes these days?
I'm going to your site and buying the combination one right now. Who knows, maybe I'll stop some fool from shooting himself in the face next time I'm at the range. |
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Keep it in America. What are the specs and particulars ? Bespoke quality and pride of ownership has a definite place in the market. |
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Hey Guys, U.S. Tool and Design is my company and this is my product. I am glad that this concern has been brought up. I have been going back and forth with moving manufacturing overseas, which is not an idea I am fond of but seems to be the only way to reduce the overall cost. If its something the gun loving public isn't opposed to I would consider it as an option. - Nick 
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I bought one. I'll stick it in my range bag and forget about it until i need it.
I have never really been comfortable with the mortar technique, and while I've done it a couple of times, if there is a better mousetrap.... I like innovative ideas that simplify a solution, the made in America is great, and while I would have skipped right by, once I knew that the manufacturer is an arfcommer, the decision made itself. 
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I bought one. I'll stick it in my range bag and forget about it until i need it. I have never really been comfortable with the mortar technique, and while I've done it a couple of times, if there is a better mousetrap.... I like innovative ideas that simplify a solution, the made in America is great, and while I would have skipped right by, once I knew that the manufacturer is an arfcommer, the decision made itself. - Nick |
| I also feel turning the 5.56 version into the default viewable price could help. I originally went to your site from the forum link, saw the $45 and left. I came back to the thread later, read some more and then revisited to find the cost of the 5.56 only version. I don't know why but the $10 lower price makes the tool much more palatable and now I'm considering one. It being a USA made item is definitely a draw for me as well. |
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I also feel turning the 5.56 version into the default viewable price could help. I originally went to your site from the forum link, saw the $45 and left. I came back to the thread later, read some more and then revisited to find the cost of the 5.56 only version. I don't know why but the $10 lower price makes the tool much more palatable and now I'm considering one. It being a USA made item is definitely a draw for me as well. -Nick |
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Do you think overseas production would mean more sales? I guess you need to compare metrics before you make a decision. I think $35 is not bad for the quality of the product. In China they lie to westerners all the time so your quality might be crap plus they do not care about patents or copyrights or anything. Here is an examplehttp://i0.kym-cdn.com/photos/images/newsfeed/000/530/109/67d Quoted:
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Hey Guys, U.S. Tool and Design is my company and this is my product. I am glad that this concern has been brought up. I have been going back and forth with moving manufacturing overseas, which is not an idea I am fond of but seems to be the only way to reduce the overall cost. If its something the gun loving public isn't opposed to I would consider it as an option. - Nick |
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I have been going back and forth with moving manufacturing overseas,... If its something the gun loving public isn't opposed to I would consider it as an option. It is invariably more expensive to buy American - although I find, the additional amount to often be surprising modest - and the difference may have something to do with the fact we don't chain children to sewing machines. And that additional expense is something I am generally willing to gladly pay to keep a fellow American employed. So, when I see a company "offshore" a product that was previously made here, I have to look long and hard at whether I want to deal with them at all. |
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I find it funny how people gushed over the overpriced and IMO useless G reaction rod and are complaining over $45 for this tool!
When I first started forming brass for my .470 Rhino I forgot to neck ream a piece of brass. When I dropped the bolt on it, it forced the oversized neck into the chamber and it was good and stuck. No amount of mortaring would free it and after a dozen or so tries, I was certain the stock, lower, or extractor was sure to break if I kept trying. So I made a tool very similar to this out of a large screwdriver. I pushed it in between the carrier face and the barrel extension and pried a little againt a small wooden block inserted into the mag well. It popped back the carrier along with the loaded round in nothing flat so I know damned good and well this tool will work. And if you have this tool and jam up a rifle where it laughs at motaring, you'd welcome this tool at any price. I just wish I had had the forsight to patent the device all those years ago. Once again, my ship came in but I was at the airport! Also, if you use the tool like I used the one I made, you do not use it through the ejection port but rather through the magazine well. |
| I cannot speak for them, but with the one I made you use it to pry back the carrier, not the bolt, and as the carrier moves back it unlocks the bolt and retracts it. I don't see how you would use it to remove a stuck case but then again, until yesterday I had never heard of the tool they are selling. |
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So this is only to pry the bolt back, not to remove a stuck case. Correct? Otherwise to get a stuck case out, you'll need a rod to push down the barrel. A bolt override tool won't work and it's unclear what specific event took place during OP's observation on the usage of this tool. |
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It is machined out of cold rolled low carbon steel that has not been heat treated in order to cut down on marring the aluminum receivers. I offer a no questions asked lifetime guarantee, break it and ill give you a new one. All you have to do is send me the old one. Quoted:
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Keep it in America. What are the specs and particulars ? Bespoke quality and pride of ownership has a definite place in the market. |
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Sorry man and I wish you all the luck but China doesn't GAF about patents. Heck, I have seen a few instances where engineer's computers are seized/searched at the Chinese border, and highly detailed and technical copies of products saved on their laptops pop up for sale within a few months. |
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To be honest, I like it, but it'd have to do one or two things more to justify $35 for me. Maybe put a bottle opener on the other end? Or an extender for roasting hot dogs over a fire?
$35 isn't for everyone, but if I'm gonna put a tool in my range case for malfunctions like this I'd feel like a fool if I bought a $10 copy that broke off and damaged my carbine. |
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Otherwise to get a stuck case out, you'll need a rod to push down the barrel. A bolt override tool won't work and it's unclear what specific event took place during OP's observation on the usage of this tool. |
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Not true. The OP said clearly the jam he saw was from an improperly handloaded round that jammed the action upon chambering, just like what happened to me. IMO likely not sized enough or too much crimp causing the case body below the shoulder to swell. In my case, I had missed neck reaming a round and the neck was too thick. In his situation, as mine, a live round was stuck in the chamber and IMO the very last thing one should do is shove a rod down the barrel and start hammering away. That's a sure fire way to end up being skewered by your rod or worse if the round should ignite. When you beat on a bullet, driving it deeper into the case, you start compressing powder and that will crush the powder granules and generate heat. Beat on it hard enough and bad things can happen. |
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Well it has received a provisional patent and is in the final stretch of the patent process now. We are pretty confident that we will receive the patent, so that isn't much of a concern. That said, I agree with all of the website suggestions listed above, or maybe market them as 3 separate pages rather than one page with a drop down. Many casual viewers won't hit a drop down until they are thinking of buying. Also, ADD YOUR WARRANTY INFO TO THE AD!!! Personally I had a similar experience to Big Bore, only with .458 Socom. I broke 2 stocks pogo-ing poorly loaded rounds before I gave up on my LEE sizing die and got a Hornady, and I really could have used this tool. I am getting into .45 Raptor now, so I might have a need again, so I will be buying one. 
The only product related idea I have is some type of cover/handle for the dual purpose one so the end you aren't using is protected from the user's skin and blood. 
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The only product related idea I have is some type of cover/handle for the dual purpose one so the end you aren't using is protected from the user's skin and blood. |
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While I appreciate innovation, sometimes people overthink a problem.
For years I have been using an old ( 8 inch) flat tip screwdriver with a 1/2 inch bend (fulcrum leverage) one inch from the tip of the screwdriver. ( You may have to heat up the screwdriver to get it to bend. The first one I made bent easily without any heat, the second snapped off while attempting to bend it. Apparently the steel in the second was higher quality) (Note: You can also use a straight screwdriver with a bunched up shop rag to create a leverage/fulcrum point) To use: If the cartridge has not fired, place the weapon on safe! You may also want to separate the lower receiver from the upper. Pull the magazine and insert the tip of the screwdriver behind the bottom/front of the carrier, with the fulcrum against the inside of the upper/ or lower receiver Use a shop rag or old cloth under the fulcrum point, to protect the inside of the receiver. Carefully press the handle of the screwdriver forward. Use the leverage and tip of screwdriver to force the carrier rearward. You may have to do it several times if the case is really stuck. |
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I TOTALLY agree with the above. On the single ended units a handle, like a screwdriver handle or even a dipped plastic handle, would be a nice touch, but a cover on the double ended one is a great idea.
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While I appreciate innovation, sometimes people overthink a problem. For years I have been using <snip a bunch of blah, blah, blah>. 
21 posts in 8 years.... and #21 was that? 
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One of the reasons I do not post very often is the comments on posts from some of the members of this Forum.
They appear to know everything. Their arrogance is speaks loudly about what kind of person they are. I am not the kind of man that builds up their own ego at other peoples expense. I have worked in Law enforcement and Investigations for over 30 years and think I have a pretty good handle about human beings. I KEEP MYSELF IN DUE BOUNDS WITH ALL MANKIND! Obviously, I would never use a high quality screwdriver for such an application. I have used old, worn out screwdrivers to make many kind of one off tools. I have been building AR's since the early 90's and have much more to learn. Unlike some of the members of this forum, I am always willing to listen to what other people have to say, that's how I learn. |
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So mine came today. well packaged, with a cool sticker, thanks.
This is a seriously over engineered tool. I got the 5.56 / .308 double ended one, since I have both platforms. I think it actually might have more than just jam clearing capabilities. It is an impact weapon, as well as a hot dog and marshmallow roaster. It can probably be used to pull nails, and it would make a nice tent stake in a pinch. two thumbs up on this. 
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So mine came today. well packaged, with a cool sticker, thanks. This is a seriously over engineered tool. I got the 5.56 / .308 double ended one, since I have both platforms. I think it actually might have more than just jam clearing capabilities. It is an impact weapon, as well as a hot dog and marshmallow roaster. It can probably be used to pull nails, and it would make a nice tent stake in a pinch. two thumbs up on this. I appreciate all the feedback and everything will be taken into consideration as time and money allows! -Nick |
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