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Posted: 11/14/2016 6:43:34 PM EDT
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As I've mentioned before, many years ago I bought a Colt HBAR after talking and corresponding with AR smiths and competitive shooters. Then I never shot the thing for over ten years. There's been maybe fifty rounds through it total.
Not long ago, I put together a PSA mid-length AR from one of their uppers and a blem complete lower. Still haven't fired it. Today I decided to clean and lube my new AR in anticipation of taking it to the range later this week. As part of this process, I took the BCG apart, cleaned it and put it back together. I then figured that I might as well clean the HBAR since I had the gear out. Interestingly, the HBAR's BCG was easier to take apart and went back together with less effort as well. Is this just indicative of the better quality of Colt parts? I've also noticed that retracting the bolt is easier with the Colt than with the PSA. Is that just because the buffer springs are different or is there less drag inside the Colt's upper receiver? Thanks. A language lesson for millennials, "Vs." is "versus" not "verse" as many of your generation are wont to say. |
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"As many of your generation are wont to say"...maybe ought to worry less about language lessons and more about putting rounds through your rifles.
Colt is definitely "supposed" to be of better quality than PSA. Many would argue Colt's fit and finish isn't anything impressive, and it isn't. Colt is considered the standard as far as M4/ARs go. |
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"As many of your generation are wont to say"...maybe ought to worry less about language lessons and more about putting rounds through your rifles. Colt is definitely "supposed" to be of better quality than PSA. Many would argue Colt's fit and finish isn't anything impressive, and it isn't. Colt ia considered the standard as far as M4/ARs go. I'd shoot both of them more, with a variety of ammo, give the PSA time to break in, then evaluate them again. I agree that Colt's fit and finish are not in keeping with the rest of the industry, but I'd prefer whichever one shoots best with the ammo I wanted to shoot. I honestly don't think one is more reliable than the other. The Colt will have greater resale value, for sure, compared to the PSA. |
| Machined parts operate more smoothly with use. The "feel" of the bolt carrier group or the charging handle does not have much to do with anything. Yes, Colt is held up to be the standard to judge all other AR rifles by, but in reality a functional, reliable, and accurate rifle is the goal, and that can be achieved with PSA premium parts. |
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"As many of your generation are wont to say"...maybe ought to worry less about language lessons and more about putting rounds through your rifles. . A bit close to home? Not at all. Did find it funny though. Good luck with your rifles. |
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Thanks for the language lesson? A guy seeking the knowledge of others is pre-emptively correcting the English of potential individuals here to help. You're off to a great start winning friends.
Colt vs. PSA? Depends on what upper you purchased, and which spring/buffer assembly you're using in your lower. I've also noticed that retracting the bolt is with the Colt than with the PSA. Is that just because the buffer springs are different or is there less drag inside the Colt's upper receiver. Don't you old guys know you're supposed to end the sentence of a question with a question mark? 
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As I've mentioned before, many years ago I bought a Colt HBAR after talking and corresponding with AR smiths and competitive shooters. Then I never shot the thing for over ten years. There's been maybe fifty rounds through it total. Not long ago, I put together a PSA mid-length AR from one of their uppers and a blem complete lower. Still haven't fired it. Today I decided to clean and lube my new AR in anticipation of taking it to the range later this week. As part of this process, I took the BCG apart, cleaned it and put it back together. I then figured that I might as well clean the HBAR since I had the gear out. Interestingly, the HBAR's BCG was easier to take apart and went back together with less effort as well. Is this just indicative of the better quality of Colt parts? I've also noticed that retracting the bolt is easier with the Colt than with the PSA. Is that just because the buffer springs are different or is there less drag inside the Colt's upper receiver. Thanks. A language lesson for millennials, "Vs." is "versus" not "verse" as many of your generation are wont to say. Post count/join date.  Making friends off the bat. Shoot your safe queens and make the comparison. Shouldn't be hard to tell, Colt verses PSA.
I like my PSA rifles, personally. |
| Time for a story : I was at a gun show recently and one table had a few different BCGs sitting out right next to each other. There was a definite difference in finish between them with some being nice and slick and others appreciably rougher. The latter ones were cheaper. |
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All the rifle's I've had all cylcled smoother than the carbines I've had both .mil and civ. so I'd say its a spring length thing. The gas rings on the bolts of the M4's I was issued had more drag and the bolts required more effort to re insert into the carriers. For what that's worth I do not know. Shoot and enjoy your rifles OP. Have fun. |
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I have a new PSA Freedom upper and it is a little rough to insert the charging handle. It could be the Cobra Tac charging handle though.
My first Colt 6920 had a similar issue now that I think about it. Every time I operated the charging handle it made a gritty sound. I solved it by sanding the sides of the charging handle. That rifle went through a tactical training course just fine. So meh, probably nothing to worry about. It will either wear in or you can smooth it out. I'd be upset if I paid $2,500 for a Noveske or something and it wasn't absolutely perfect though. |
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Colt bolt groups are the best. I try to only use colt bolt groups when possible. The bolt group is the heart of the gun. IMHO, the C stamp isn't worth the sticker price. Buy a Toolcraft and get the same exact BCG without the rollmark. I agree, they are great BCGs, but there are literally the same exact ones for much less. |
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Quoted:Post count/join date. Making friends off the bat. Meh. Misuse of words and poor grammar is one of my major peeves. Not long ago, a young man of my acquaintance who is a dean's list student at a Catholic university and headed to law school next year said, "Me and my girlfriend went to Olive Garden or whatever." When I heard that, my brain about exploded. Other things that make me cry . . . Use of "penultimate" to mean "best." Improper use of "beg the question." Using "their," "there," and "they're interchangeably. The list could go on and on. Oddly, I could correct someone because he was incorrect in the third decimal of the Rockwell hardness of a P&W GP7200 first stage turbine blade and everyone would nod and say, "Yeah, (not "yea") that's some good shit." If you comment about someone's poor word choice or grammar, you are denounced as an evil person. So be it, I am evil. BTW SDrake, thanks for pointing out my incorrect punctuation. |
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Meh. Misuse of words and poor grammar is one of my major peeves. Not long ago, a young man of my acquaintance who is a dean's list student at a Catholic university and headed to law school next year said, "Me and my girlfriend went to Olive Garden or whatever." When I heard that, my brain about exploded. Other things that make me cry . . . Use of "penultimate" to mean "best." Improper use of "beg the question." Using "their," "there," and "they're interchangeably. The list could go on and on. Oddly, I could correct someone because he was incorrect in the third decimal of the Rockwell hardness of a P&W GP7200 first stage turbine blade and everyone would nod and say, "Yeah, (not "yea") that's some good shit." If you comment about someone's poor word choice or grammar, you are denounced as an evil person. So be it, I am evil. BTW SDrake, thanks for pointing out my incorrect punctuation. Quoted:
Quoted:Post count/join date. Making friends off the bat. Meh. Misuse of words and poor grammar is one of my major peeves. Not long ago, a young man of my acquaintance who is a dean's list student at a Catholic university and headed to law school next year said, "Me and my girlfriend went to Olive Garden or whatever." When I heard that, my brain about exploded. Other things that make me cry . . . Use of "penultimate" to mean "best." Improper use of "beg the question." Using "their," "there," and "they're interchangeably. The list could go on and on. Oddly, I could correct someone because he was incorrect in the third decimal of the Rockwell hardness of a P&W GP7200 first stage turbine blade and everyone would nod and say, "Yeah, (not "yea") that's some good shit." If you comment about someone's poor word choice or grammar, you are denounced as an evil person. So be it, I am evil. BTW SDrake, thanks for pointing out my incorrect punctuation. Guess what. GD is that-a-way. ---------> Grammar lessons don't belong in the technical forums. |
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Quoted:Guess what. GD is that-a-way. ---------> Quoted:Guess what. GD is that-a-way. ---------> General Dynamics? Grammar lessons don't belong in the technical forums. Since proper use of language is necessary for good communication and good communication is key to exchanging technical information, I disagree. |
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Colt bolt groups are the best. I try to only use colt bolt groups when possible. The bolt group is the heart of the gun. I beg to differ. Battlefield Vegas has shown this isn't true, their Colt Bolts are getting 3x the bolt life the PSA made toolcraft ones. The colts are going 60,000 rounds before shearing bolt lugs. |
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General Dynamics? Since proper use of language is necessary for good communication and good communication is key to exchanging technical information, I disagree. Quoted:
Quoted:Guess what. GD is that-a-way. ---------> General Dynamics? Grammar lessons don't belong in the technical forums. Since proper use of language is necessary for good communication and good communication is key to exchanging technical information, I disagree. Right, because the pronunciation of "versus" is really helpful in discussing the technical details of BCGs. 
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General Dynamics? Since proper use of language is necessary for good communication and good communication is key to exchanging technical information, I disagree. Quoted:
Quoted:Guess what. GD is that-a-way. ---------> General Dynamics? Grammar lessons don't belong in the technical forums. Since proper use of language is necessary for good communication and good communication is key to exchanging technical information, I disagree. False. People use poor grammar on ARFCOM all the time (myself included) and I understand them just fine. Go shoot your guns more. All BCG's are going to have slightly different tolerances so they will all feel different. An old Colt will feel different from a new PSA even if it was not shot very much. Different company, different tolerances, different acceptable margin of error. This is why some uppers mate better with some lowers, some barrels are more accurate, some LPK pins fit in easier, etc. Go to the range more. |
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False. People use poor grammar on ARFCOM all the time (myself included) and I understand them just fine. Go shoot your guns more. All BCG's are going to have slightly different tolerances so they will all feel different. An old Colt will feel different from a new PSA even if it was not shot very much. Different company, different tolerances, different acceptable margin of error. This is why some uppers mate better with some lowers, some barrels are more accurate, some LPK pins fit in easier, etc. Go to the range more. Quoted:
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Quoted:Guess what. GD is that-a-way. ---------> General Dynamics? Grammar lessons don't belong in the technical forums. Since proper use of language is necessary for good communication and good communication is key to exchanging technical information, I disagree. False. People use poor grammar on ARFCOM all the time (myself included) and I understand them just fine. Go shoot your guns more. All BCG's are going to have slightly different tolerances so they will all feel different. An old Colt will feel different from a new PSA even if it was not shot very much. Different company, different tolerances, different acceptable margin of error. This is why some uppers mate better with some lowers, some barrels are more accurate, some LPK pins fit in easier, etc. Go to the range more. Messed up delete this particular post |
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I beg to differ. Battlefield Vegas has shown this isn't true, their Colt Bolts are getting 3x the bolt life the PSA made toolcraft ones. The colts are going 60,000 rounds before shearing bolt lugs. Quoted:
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Colt bolt groups are the best. I try to only use colt bolt groups when possible. The bolt group is the heart of the gun. I beg to differ. Battlefield Vegas has shown this isn't true, their Colt Bolts are getting 3x the bolt life the PSA made toolcraft ones. The colts are going 60,000 rounds before shearing bolt lugs. Can you show me what page it is where he says that because I've read that entire thing and haven't found that quote. You are the third person I've heard quote that so I'm curious if I've missed something. |
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Meh. Misuse of words and poor grammar is one of my major peeves. Not long ago, a young man of my acquaintance who is a dean's list student at a Catholic university and headed to law school next year said, "Me and my girlfriend went to Olive Garden or whatever." When I heard that, my brain about exploded. Other things that make me cry . . . Use of "penultimate" to mean "best." Improper use of "beg the question." Using "their," "there," and "they're interchangeably. The list could go on and on. Oddly, I could correct someone because he was incorrect in the third decimal of the Rockwell hardness of a P&W GP7200 first stage turbine blade and everyone would nod and say, "Yeah, (not "yea") that's some good shit." If you comment about someone's poor word choice or grammar, you are denounced as an evil person. So be it, I am evil. BTW SDrake, thanks for pointing out my incorrect punctuation. Quoted:
Quoted:Post count/join date. Making friends off the bat. Meh. Misuse of words and poor grammar is one of my major peeves. Not long ago, a young man of my acquaintance who is a dean's list student at a Catholic university and headed to law school next year said, "Me and my girlfriend went to Olive Garden or whatever." When I heard that, my brain about exploded. Other things that make me cry . . . Use of "penultimate" to mean "best." Improper use of "beg the question." Using "their," "there," and "they're interchangeably. The list could go on and on. Oddly, I could correct someone because he was incorrect in the third decimal of the Rockwell hardness of a P&W GP7200 first stage turbine blade and everyone would nod and say, "Yeah, (not "yea") that's some good shit." If you comment about someone's poor word choice or grammar, you are denounced as an evil person. So be it, I am evil. BTW SDrake, thanks for pointing out my incorrect punctuation. Lord, you'd hate how people butcher words in my profession. Always fun trying to interpret the medications people are taking. |
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I beg to differ. Battlefield Vegas has shown this isn't true, their Colt Bolts are getting 3x the bolt life the PSA made toolcraft ones. The colts are going 60,000 rounds before shearing bolt lugs. Quoted:
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Colt bolt groups are the best. I try to only use colt bolt groups when possible. The bolt group is the heart of the gun. I beg to differ. Battlefield Vegas has shown this isn't true, their Colt Bolts are getting 3x the bolt life the PSA made toolcraft ones. The colts are going 60,000 rounds before shearing bolt lugs. Ok, I just read through the entire thread again and nowhere is there anything to back up Colt Bolts lasting 3x the bolt life of PSA or even 2x longer and he doesn't talk about toolcraft at all, and I'm a person that uses a lot of Colt bolts but that's just bad info. |
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