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Posted: 9/30/2016 8:45:31 AM EDT
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What's out there? I currently have a Velocity 3lb and I'd like something lighter and with a flat face. I'd prefer a single stage, but would consider a 2 stage.
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Two stage Geissele SSA-E has a 1.2 pound second stage. Nice and crisp. First stage is 2.3 pounds, for total pull through of 3.5.
It is very easy to hold that trigger at the end of the first stage until your sight picture and breathing are right, then 1.2 lbs more drops the hammer. It has a curved trigger bow, but I think there is a flat shoe equivalent. |
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The Elftmann Match is flat, single stage, and can be adjusted down to 2 and 3/4 pounds. Another option might be the Hiperfire 24C, which I think can be adjusted down below 3 pounds, and is also a flat single stage trigger. I'm not a single stage trigger fan, but it's a nice trigger. If you want a light 2-stage trigger, the Geissele Hi-speed with the Match springs can be adjusted down below 3 pounds. Good luck! |
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Quoted: Two stage Geissele SSA-E has a 1.2 pound second stage. Nice and crisp. First stage is 2.3 pounds, for total pull through of 3.5. It is very easy to hold that trigger at the end of the first stage until your sight picture and breathing are right, then 1.2 lbs more drops the hammer. It has a curved trigger bow, but I think there is a flat shoe equivalent. Both are excellent triggers. |
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SD-E is the flat equivalent of the SSA-E. SD-C is the flat equivalent of the SSA. Both are excellent triggers. Quoted:
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Two stage Geissele SSA-E has a 1.2 pound second stage. Nice and crisp. First stage is 2.3 pounds, for total pull through of 3.5. It is very easy to hold that trigger at the end of the first stage until your sight picture and breathing are right, then 1.2 lbs more drops the hammer. It has a curved trigger bow, but I think there is a flat shoe equivalent. Both are excellent triggers. Another vote for Geissele, I have G2S and it is amazing. I think I will put another in my next build, or perhaps try the LaRue MB-T |
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SD-E is the flat equivalent of the SSA-E. SD-C is the flat equivalent of the SSA. Both are excellent triggers. Quoted:
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Two stage Geissele SSA-E has a 1.2 pound second stage. Nice and crisp. First stage is 2.3 pounds, for total pull through of 3.5. It is very easy to hold that trigger at the end of the first stage until your sight picture and breathing are right, then 1.2 lbs more drops the hammer. It has a curved trigger bow, but I think there is a flat shoe equivalent. Both are excellent triggers. I have both the SSA-E and an SD-E. Both are excellent triggers but are 2 stage triggers. |
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Elftmann 3 Gun all day. The Truth About Guns did a review of all drop in triggers with real statistical analysis, and while Elftmann didn't win all categories, it was their favorite.
It has the lowest pull weight at 2.75lbs-4lbs with a full power spring no matter which weight you choose. (you use a screw to change the weight) |
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I guess I'll be odd ball out here. I am a huge Geissele fan and have tons of their parts. I own 4 of their triggers currently.
My S3G (singleish stage) has tons of creep before the brake so I can not recommend for OP. My SSA-E that I just bought, I am kinda unhappy. I put my trigger gauge on it and every single time I gauge it, it comes in at 4.5lbs total weight. I am fully convinced I got a SSA in SSA-E packaging. So my SSA-E is 4.5lbs verified on my gauge 10 times in a row lol. My Hiperfire 24C... Jesus I love it! I am seeing 3.2lbs all day long. Basically no creep, instant reset and flat face. I can recommend that all day long. |
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I guess I'll be odd ball out here. I am a huge Geissele fan and have tons of their parts. I own 4 of their triggers currently. My S3G (singleish stage) has tons of creep before the brake so I can not recommend for OP. My SSA-E that I just bought, I am kinda unhappy. I put my trigger gauge on it and every single time I gauge it, it comes in at 4.5lbs total weight. I am fully convinced I got a SSA in SSA-E packaging. So my SSA-E is 4.5lbs verified on my gauge 10 times in a row lol. My Hiperfire 24C... Jesus I love it! I am seeing 3.2lbs all day long. Basically no creep, instant reset and flat face. I can recommend that all day long. Not sure how total pull through matters on a two stage if the second stage is light like the SSA-E at 1.2 lbs and crisp. If it is easy to hold at the wall between stages and breaks clean at only 1.2 lbs, more, as is the SSA-E, or SD-E, it should be a winner. |
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Not sure how total pull through matters on a two stage if the second stage is light like the SSA-E at 1.2 lbs and crisp. If it is easy to hold at the wall between stages and breaks clean at only 1.2 lbs, more, as is the SSA-E, or SD-E, it should be a winner. Quoted:
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I guess I'll be odd ball out here. I am a huge Geissele fan and have tons of their parts. I own 4 of their triggers currently. My S3G (singleish stage) has tons of creep before the brake so I can not recommend for OP. My SSA-E that I just bought, I am kinda unhappy. I put my trigger gauge on it and every single time I gauge it, it comes in at 4.5lbs total weight. I am fully convinced I got a SSA in SSA-E packaging. So my SSA-E is 4.5lbs verified on my gauge 10 times in a row lol. My Hiperfire 24C... Jesus I love it! I am seeing 3.2lbs all day long. Basically no creep, instant reset and flat face. I can recommend that all day long. Not sure how total pull through matters on a two stage if the second stage is light like the SSA-E at 1.2 lbs and crisp. If it is easy to hold at the wall between stages and breaks clean at only 1.2 lbs, more, as is the SSA-E, or SD-E, it should be a winner. Total pull TOTALLY matters. At least to me. At the end of the day that's how much pressure I am having to cleanly and smoothly maintain against the weapon. This is why people need to try multiple triggers, get experience, and understand what they like and why. Triggers are subjective, and certainly role focused. |
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Elftmann Match trigger (Part Number: Match-736902490167)
http://elftmanntactical.com/ |
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These sound really good. I wonder how fast the lock time is. |
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Total pull TOTALLY matters. At least to me. At the end of the day that's how much pressure I am having to cleanly and smoothly maintain against the weapon. This is why people need to try multiple triggers, get experience, and understand what they like and why. Triggers are subjective, and certainly role focused. Quoted:
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I guess I'll be odd ball out here. I am a huge Geissele fan and have tons of their parts. I own 4 of their triggers currently. My S3G (singleish stage) has tons of creep before the brake so I can not recommend for OP. My SSA-E that I just bought, I am kinda unhappy. I put my trigger gauge on it and every single time I gauge it, it comes in at 4.5lbs total weight. I am fully convinced I got a SSA in SSA-E packaging. So my SSA-E is 4.5lbs verified on my gauge 10 times in a row lol. My Hiperfire 24C... Jesus I love it! I am seeing 3.2lbs all day long. Basically no creep, instant reset and flat face. I can recommend that all day long. Not sure how total pull through matters on a two stage if the second stage is light like the SSA-E at 1.2 lbs and crisp. If it is easy to hold at the wall between stages and breaks clean at only 1.2 lbs, more, as is the SSA-E, or SD-E, it should be a winner. Total pull TOTALLY matters. At least to me. At the end of the day that's how much pressure I am having to cleanly and smoothly maintain against the weapon. This is why people need to try multiple triggers, get experience, and understand what they like and why. Triggers are subjective, and certainly role focused. Forgive my denseness on this issue, but doesn't a 3.2 lb total pull through single stage have essentially the same total pull through as a 3.5 lb two stage? The latter lets you hold at 2.3 lbs, and then drop the hammer with only 1.2 pounds more. You do not have that capability with a single stage. I have single stage triggers on my bolt guns. One on my Sako breaks at about four ounces and one on my target .22LR breaks at only three ounces. I've gone as low as two with that trigger. But those triggers are suitable only for benchrest type shooting and would be dangerous under stress, even in the field for hunting. The risk of negligent discharge is high. My field hunting rifles have three pound single stage triggers. That's a good minimum for compromise between safety and accuracy, but that is not suitable for pure bench shooting. On a semi with the risk of ND or doubling under stress, I really like the versatility of a two stage with light second stage because it remains safe and controllable under stress, but has that light. crisp, 1.2 lb second stage. I do note that total trigger travel is longer, of necessity, and that the SSA-E has more "overtravel" after the break than most good single stage target triggers. I can live with that. I agree that this issue involves a lot of subjective fsctors and reasonable minds can differ. |
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These sound really good. I wonder how fast the lock time is. Quoted:
Personally, I have the 3-Gun version and it sets and resets quickly. It is the sweetest trigger I have ever used. |
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Forgive my denseness on this issue, but doesn't a 3.2 lb total pull through single stage have essentially the same total pull through as a 3.5 lb two stage? The latter lets you hold at 2.3 lbs, and then drop the hammer with only 1.2 pounds more. You do not have that capability with a single stage. I have single stage triggers on my bolt guns. One on my Sako breaks at about four ounces and one on my target .22LR breaks at only three ounces. I've gone as low as two with that trigger. But those triggers are suitable only for benchrest type shooting and would be dangerous under stress, even in the field for hunting. The risk of negligent discharge is high. My field hunting rifles have three pound single stage triggers. That's a good minimum for compromise between safety and accuracy, but that is not suitable for pure bench shooting. On a semi with the risk of ND or doubling under stress, I really like the versatility of a two stage with light second stage because it remains safe and controllable under stress, but has that light. crisp, 1.2 lb second stage. I do note that total trigger travel is longer, of necessity, and that the SSA-E has more "overtravel" after the break than most good single stage target triggers. I can live with that. I agree that this issue involves a lot of subjective factors and reasonable minds can differ. Quoted:
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I guess I'll be odd ball out here. I am a huge Geissele fan and have tons of their parts. I own 4 of their triggers currently. My S3G (singleish stage) has tons of creep before the brake so I can not recommend for OP. My SSA-E that I just bought, I am kinda unhappy. I put my trigger gauge on it and every single time I gauge it, it comes in at 4.5lbs total weight. I am fully convinced I got a SSA in SSA-E packaging. So my SSA-E is 4.5lbs verified on my gauge 10 times in a row lol. My Hiperfire 24C... Jesus I love it! I am seeing 3.2lbs all day long. Basically no creep, instant reset and flat face. I can recommend that all day long. Not sure how total pull through matters on a two stage if the second stage is light like the SSA-E at 1.2 lbs and crisp. If it is easy to hold at the wall between stages and breaks clean at only 1.2 lbs, more, as is the SSA-E, or SD-E, it should be a winner. Total pull TOTALLY matters. At least to me. At the end of the day that's how much pressure I am having to cleanly and smoothly maintain against the weapon. This is why people need to try multiple triggers, get experience, and understand what they like and why. Triggers are subjective, and certainly role focused. Forgive my denseness on this issue, but doesn't a 3.2 lb total pull through single stage have essentially the same total pull through as a 3.5 lb two stage? The latter lets you hold at 2.3 lbs, and then drop the hammer with only 1.2 pounds more. You do not have that capability with a single stage. I have single stage triggers on my bolt guns. One on my Sako breaks at about four ounces and one on my target .22LR breaks at only three ounces. I've gone as low as two with that trigger. But those triggers are suitable only for benchrest type shooting and would be dangerous under stress, even in the field for hunting. The risk of negligent discharge is high. My field hunting rifles have three pound single stage triggers. That's a good minimum for compromise between safety and accuracy, but that is not suitable for pure bench shooting. On a semi with the risk of ND or doubling under stress, I really like the versatility of a two stage with light second stage because it remains safe and controllable under stress, but has that light. crisp, 1.2 lb second stage. I do note that total trigger travel is longer, of necessity, and that the SSA-E has more "overtravel" after the break than most good single stage target triggers. I can live with that. I agree that this issue involves a lot of subjective factors and reasonable minds can differ. I agree with you on all points made. I thought you were saying "total pull does not matter" at all, but indeed you were saying in comparison to a similar weight in single stage. After reading the article on the drop in triggers, I really want to try the Elftman. I got a lot of recommendations for the SD3G and the CMC single stage triggers, I bought them, and I hated them! The charts in the article show exactly why. They are the worst feeling "single stage" triggers to me... but again, triggers are subjective. I consider the AR-GOLD a single stage, as the article discussed, the first stage takeup is really just slack, which is fine. Its all about the weight of the total pull, the weight of the break, and how consistent it is, and how LITTLE movement occurs after you break the trigger. I haven't felt anything better than ARGOLD yet, but I haven't felt an Elftman yet. One of the things that annoyed me about AR GOLD is how thin the trigger was and how much side-to-side motion it had. I played with a 24C I installed for a customer, and while not bad at all, it wasn't that impressive that I'd consider switching. |
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Personally, I have the 3-Gun version and it sets and resets quickly. It is the sweetest trigger I have ever used. Quoted:
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Personally, I have the 3-Gun version and it sets and resets quickly. It is the sweetest trigger I have ever used. Is the only difference between the match and 3gun the lighter weight profile? |
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Is the only difference between the match and 3gun the lighter weight profile? Quoted:
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Personally, I have the 3-Gun version and it sets and resets quickly. It is the sweetest trigger I have ever used. Is the only difference between the match and 3gun the lighter weight profile? Not really. The good thing is all the parts are modular. I have a $60 off of anyones thinking about pulling the trigger. |
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