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Posted: 9/17/2016 8:58:09 AM EDT
| I am having trouble ordering quick enough when PSA uppers and lowers come out that I want. Are there other sites that are similar in quality to PSA (freedom and premium line) that have a good selection of complete uppers and lowers in the same price range? |
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I am having trouble ordering quick enough when PSA uppers and lowers come out that I want. Are there other sites that are similar in quality to PSA that have a good selection of complete uppers and lowers in the same price range? It all depends on what you are referring to when you say similar in quality. PSA has products at three different quality levels. PTAC being the lowest. Freedom being the medium, and Premium being the best. The PTAC brand stuff is hit and miss. The Freedom line is good stuff and is comparable to the likes of S&W and a few others. The Premium line is stellar. It rivals some of the best in quality. Barrels for these are made by FN and many parts used are made from mil-spec materials and standards. So, you see, it is not an easy answer to your question. |
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Does PSA actually make a anything, or are they merely a vendor of parts, assemblies and complete rifles made by others, sometimes, if not often, of unidentified origin? I think that is the case with many vendors like PSA and bcm. Bcm, may design and spec the components but contracts out the manufacturing. It would be very expensive for them to have all their own CNC, injection molding etc. Bcm certainly does their own quality control and assembles the uppers and rifles. PSA probably does to, well that is if they have any actual quality control. |
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Does PSA actually make a anything, or are they merely a vendor of parts, assemblies and complete rifles made by others, sometimes, if not often, of unidentified origin? PSA is the first to have true M4 clones made for us in main stream production, and at a affordable price. I have become a colt fan over the years. However if PSA premium is my second choice. Years ago so many here begged for an all in spec M4 clone. Others for some unknown reason they gave 1\8 twist and or no chrome lining or no M4 feed ramps. Always cutting it short. PSA gave it all to us and at a great price. They have put out a outstanding and reliable M4 clone and for this I give them the respect they have earned and deserve. I still have my PSA factory built premium M4 that I bought years ago when money was tight and Colt was priced out of reach at the time. It has never malfunctioned to date. I would not hesitate to trust it to defend my life. I have no experience with any of their other stuff. Remember one thing PSA brought top quality M4 Clones to the masses at an unbeatable price. If this sounds like advertising for them, it is Free and Unsolicited by word of mouth by a happy customer. |
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IMO these are not to the same quality of the better psa stuff. |
| From what I know radical is hit or miss I bought a sale priced 10.5" 300blk upper from them and it has been gtg through 500+ rounds. Last year I bought a upper from Apoc Armory on a black friday sale since I figured I would keep a extra rifle around for friends to shoot. It is actually very nice, heavy since Hbar barrel, but nice. Think it is called the paladin or something. Might check them out. |
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Quoted: IMO these are not to the same quality of the better psa stuff. Quoted: IMO these are not to the same quality of the better psa stuff. |
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PSA is the first to have true M4 clones made for us in main stream production, and at a affordable price. I have become a colt fan over the years. However if PSA premium is my second choice. Years ago so many here begged for an all in spec M4 clone. Others for some unknown reason they gave 1\8 twist and or no chrome lining or no M4 feed ramps. Always cutting it short. PSA gave it all to us and at a great price. They have put out a outstanding and reliable M4 clone and for this I give them the respect they have earned and deserve. I still have my PSA factory built premium M4 that I bought years ago when money was tight and Colt was priced out of reach at the time. It has never malfunctioned to date. I would not hesitate to trust it to defend my life. I have no experience with any of their other stuff. Remember one thing PSA brought top quality M4 Clones to the masses at an unbeatable price. If this sounds like advertising for them, it is Free and Unsolicited by word of mouth by a happy customer. Quoted:u
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Does PSA actually make a anything, or are they merely a vendor of parts, assemblies and complete rifles made by others, sometimes, if not often, of unidentified origin? PSA is the first to have true M4 clones made for us in main stream production, and at a affordable price. I have become a colt fan over the years. However if PSA premium is my second choice. Years ago so many here begged for an all in spec M4 clone. Others for some unknown reason they gave 1\8 twist and or no chrome lining or no M4 feed ramps. Always cutting it short. PSA gave it all to us and at a great price. They have put out a outstanding and reliable M4 clone and for this I give them the respect they have earned and deserve. I still have my PSA factory built premium M4 that I bought years ago when money was tight and Colt was priced out of reach at the time. It has never malfunctioned to date. I would not hesitate to trust it to defend my life. I have no experience with any of their other stuff. Remember one thing PSA brought top quality M4 Clones to the masses at an unbeatable price. If this sounds like advertising for them, it is Free and Unsolicited by word of mouth by a happy customer. So, the short answer is "no" they don't actually make anything themselves. |
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no No only no, but hell no on that first one. |
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IMO these are not to the same quality of the better psa stuff. And you'd be wrong. |
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I've heard many negative things about radical firearms just a heads up! |
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Quoted: And you'd be wrong. Quoted: Quoted: Quoted: IMO these are not to the same quality of the better psa stuff. And you'd be wrong. I have a nice Karris upper that was gifted to me and its been fine. the other ones I posted because he wanted alternatives and similar prices. I am not one of their customers. |
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I have a nice Karris upper that was gifted to me and its been fine. the other ones I posted because he wanted alternatives and similar prices. I am not one of their customers. Quoted:
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IMO these are not to the same quality of the better psa stuff. And you'd be wrong. the other ones I posted because he wanted alternatives and similar prices. I am not one of their customers. The others may be ok, but to compare Radical to PSA's Freedom line is way off. I'd buy PTAC (and I did) before Radical. |
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The others may be ok, but to compare Radical to PSA's Freedom line is way off. I'd buy PTAC (and I did) before Radical. I agree. The Freedom line is probably more comparable to S&W's nitrided offerings. Even then, there's a good chance you are getting better barrel steel and twist rates with the Freedom. |
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I agree. The Freedom line is probably more comparable to S&W's nitrided offerings. Even then, there's a good chance you are getting better barrel steel and twist rates with the Freedom. Quoted:
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The others may be ok, but to compare Radical to PSA's Freedom line is way off. I'd buy PTAC (and I did) before Radical. I agree. The Freedom line is probably more comparable to S&W's nitrided offerings. Even then, there's a good chance you are getting better barrel steel and twist rates with the Freedom. Does PSA offer 5R rifled 1:8 4150CMV nitride middie 16" barrels? S&W does on some of its models. |
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This thread is mostly guess work and emotion (the love of low prices). Just because a gun functions when you get it does not mean it is of good quality. Most people fire their guns pretty infrequently so their good experience is of little statistical value. PSA is not very forthcoming with info, so it is hard to measure against others because you don't have solid info from one or both. I have had enough screwed up orders and misinformation from PSA that I quit considering anything from them. My life experience is that a company is never half screwed up and half on the ball. The culture is the same all the way through. A lot of people will make excuses and overlook issues with a company that has low prices.
Aero Precision has earned a good reputation. I have used their stuff from when they only made receivers. BCM can be counted on as well. It is better to pay a little more and be sure you are getting something good, then to gamble on the these guys who are trying to compete on price. |
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Quoted: Thanks for the feedback so far. Lots of PSA talk, but I am trying to get a list of solid alternatives. Looks like Aero is pretty much unanimous with Radical definitely out. Anyone else have any good recommendations? |
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This thread is mostly guess work and emotion (the love of low prices). Just because a gun functions when you get it does not mean it is of good quality. Most people fire their guns pretty infrequently so their good experience is of little statistical value. PSA is not very forthcoming with info, so it is hard to measure against others because you don't have solid info from one or both. I have had enough screwed up orders and misinformation from PSA that I quit considering anything from them. My life experience is that a company is never half screwed up and half on the ball. The culture is the same all the way through. A lot of people will make excuses and overlook issues with a company that has low prices. Aero Precision has earned a good reputation. I have used their stuff from when they only made receivers. BCM can be counted on as well. It is better to pay a little more and be sure you are getting something good, then to gamble on the these guys who are trying to compete on price. Interesting... What is your statistical reference for PSA owner use? Strange, also they seem to answer every posted question in their industry section. If only there was a range in Nevada that had a good sample of PSA product at work. It seems like your opinions are based in emotion and are purely anecdotal. I own PSA, BCM, and a Colt. I shoot weekly. I find your generalizations and stereotyping baseless and unfair. |
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Does PSA offer 5R rifled 1:8 4150CMV nitride middie 16" barrels? S&W does on some of its models. Quoted:
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The others may be ok, but to compare Radical to PSA's Freedom line is way off. I'd buy PTAC (and I did) before Radical. I agree. The Freedom line is probably more comparable to S&W's nitrided offerings. Even then, there's a good chance you are getting better barrel steel and twist rates with the Freedom. Does PSA offer 5R rifled 1:8 4150CMV nitride middie 16" barrels? S&W does on some of its models. PSA offers CHF FN barrels. Even in the freedom line you can get nitrided hammer forged barrels. BTW, what are the specs on S&W's bolts, carriers, etc? |
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whoa whoa..... Aero is NOT shit.. Aero is way better than PSA Quoted:
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Thanks for the feedback so far. Lots of PSA talk, but I am trying to get a list of solid alternatives. Looks like Aero is pretty much unanimous with Radical definitely out. Anyone else have any good recommendations? I was saying it is unanimous Aero is good. |
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Dunno what you are wanting for uppers, if complete Primary Arms has a few different complete PSA uppers in stock.
If you want stripped, they have stripped A3 Andersons. Just ordered my third stripped Anderson upper over my noon hour from them (well my third total, second one from them) |
| Seriously, I have beat my DSA upper half to death. Maybe cleaned it twice in about 700 rounds. I gave $360 complete for it. I have more than got my use outta it. Its not sub moa or anything, but at 100 yrds I can easily put an entire mag in a pie tin fairly rapid every time. Good enough for what I want it for. My buddy shoots Aero, he likes his alot. Quality seems comparable. I have nicer ARs, but this one is all around fun. And dependable. DTI has some offerings also, although I have no experience with them. Good luck. |
| Besides the PSA Freedom and Premium line of uppers and lowers, you also have comparable offerings from Del-Ton, DS ARMS, S&W, AERO PRECISION, and even the late offerings from Anderson Manufacturing. The newer DPMS and Bushmaster ARs may be comparable. There seems to be several that are satisfied with them, especially considering the price point. For the individuals with a small budget ($500-$700), these are a good representation of what is available. Of course, with a higher budget, you generally get offerings of better quality, but not true in all cases. The PSA Premium line is evidence of that. Fantastic price and very good quality. |
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Seriously, I have beat my DSA upper half to death. Maybe cleaned it twice in about 700 rounds. I gave $360 complete for it. I have more than got my use outta it. Its not sub moa or anything, but at 100 yrds I can easily put an entire mag in a pie tin fairly rapid every time. Good enough for what I want it for. My buddy shoots Aero, he likes his alot. Quality seems comparable. I have nicer ARs, but this one is all around fun. And dependable. DTI has some offerings also, although I have no experience with them. Good luck. I have built a few ARs with DSA uppers and lowers. I have been very impressed with them. Not everyone knows that they do ARs. Their prices are really good too. I still get e-mail notifications from them about sales that are going on. That brings up another thing. I would highly advise going on PSA's website and register for e-mail notifications. Same for Primary Arms and DS ARMS. Often times, the first ones to know of these sales are the first ones able to get product before it sells out or before the sale is off. |
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I honestly don't think PSA premium has any competition if you buy during holiday sales. The prices are really just stupid low for what you're getting. I would have zero problems using DSA CMMG etc but they are higher in price when I look than PSA.
If anyone can point me to equal quality uppers from those makers at a similar price I'll pick one up. |
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IMO these are not to the same quality of the better psa stuff. |
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PSA is the first to have true M4 clones made for us in main stream production, and at a affordable price. I have become a colt fan over the years. However if PSA premium is my second choice. Years ago so many here begged for an all in spec M4 clone. Others for some unknown reason they gave 1\8 twist and or no chrome lining or no M4 feed ramps. Always cutting it short. PSA gave it all to us and at a great price. They have put out a outstanding and reliable M4 clone and for this I give them the respect they have earned and deserve. I still have my PSA factory built premium M4 that I bought years ago when money was tight and Colt was priced out of reach at the time. It has never malfunctioned to date. I would not hesitate to trust it to defend my life. I have no experience with any of their other stuff. Remember one thing PSA brought top quality M4 Clones to the masses at an unbeatable price. If this sounds like advertising for them, it is Free and Unsolicited by word of mouth by a happy customer. Quoted:
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Does PSA actually make a anything, or are they merely a vendor of parts, assemblies and complete rifles made by others, sometimes, if not often, of unidentified origin? PSA is the first to have true M4 clones made for us in main stream production, and at a affordable price. I have become a colt fan over the years. However if PSA premium is my second choice. Years ago so many here begged for an all in spec M4 clone. Others for some unknown reason they gave 1\8 twist and or no chrome lining or no M4 feed ramps. Always cutting it short. PSA gave it all to us and at a great price. They have put out a outstanding and reliable M4 clone and for this I give them the respect they have earned and deserve. I still have my PSA factory built premium M4 that I bought years ago when money was tight and Colt was priced out of reach at the time. It has never malfunctioned to date. I would not hesitate to trust it to defend my life. I have no experience with any of their other stuff. Remember one thing PSA brought top quality M4 Clones to the masses at an unbeatable price. If this sounds like advertising for them, it is Free and Unsolicited by word of mouth by a happy customer. Pretty well summed up. I built my wife a ''Premium'' several years ago--- it is GTG. I am an LMT man myself--- she has a quality rifle also. |
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