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Posted: 7/18/2016 12:41:33 PM EDT
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I am going to start right off by saying.... I am a California resident.
I have more than one AR so I'm not putting all my eggs in one basket here. I have a Black Rain I built up a couple years ago with a stainless fluted Wylde .223 barrel. It is a very heavy rifle so I have decided it will be my bench rested range gun. Since California has passed all these unbelievable new laws, I decided to convert this gun to a single shot. I took off the gas tube and flipped the gas block upside down (Don't laugh. You can't see it under the rail!). My next step will be adding a Devil Dog Concepts side charger assembly. I removed the California bullet button and replaced it with a standard style mag release button. I HATE bullet buttons which is part of my reasoning for trying this out. I know I'll probably get a lot of replies asking why? and recommending I see a therapist! I already own this gun and can't afford to buy a whole new bolt gun and I'm also trying to prevent having to register this one as an assault rifle. If I'm not mistaken, when I fire this rifle, it should remain locked into battery? Therefore, is it even necessary to keep the buffer and spring in the gun? Ok folks. Let the comments fly! Maybe some advice or constructive criticism? |
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I'd definitely keep the buffer spring and buffer in there. That way you can let it slam home when you charge a new round. As far as I know that would work. No gas to unlock the bolt, so yeah, I'd say go for it. However someone else who knows more than I should be along to help you out.
As far as legalities go, I'd have no idea about that. California gun laws make me nauseous. |
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Yes, leave the buffer and spring in. That way when you pull back on the CH to eject a fired round you can just release it and let the spring/buffer assembly chamber the next round as it is designed to do.
If you turn the GB upside down, it might hit your handguard if the GB is under it. If so, remove the gas tube and swap ends on the gas block, leaving it right side up. That will put a solid section of the GB over the port instead of a set screw. |
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I was thinking about something like this earlier today actually. Turning an AR into a straightpull bolt action. Slot the upper and put a bolt handle on the side. Could even make it a non reciprocating part with some careful machining to the side of the bolt.
As for you I say leave the buffer in place. Helps put the boltcarrier back into battery. |
| You will still need the action spring and buffer to get the bolt carrier group to pick up a new round, and to go into battery again. I'd get a spare charging handle just in case you wear the current one out from charging the rifle after every shot. Do your really have to make it into a single shot rifle? |
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Shooters in England are allowed AR-15 based rifles minus the gas ports. They use side charging handle uppers.
Watching their competition forums they run a lot of White Oak Armament spaceguns minus the gas system. No gas block, no gas port and no gas tube. Manual cycling is done after each round is fired. |
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My question is why did you get rid of the gas system? Just buy one of these:
http://www.originalbobsled.com/ARSleds.aspx Then pin this magazine into the receiver and what you have is a single shot AUTO UNLOADING AR-15! And what is nice is that it will keep your bolt open for the next round. I use these for DCM/CMP with my mousegun. It would be impossible to use a different magazine in the gun without punching out the pins. It would be impossible for this magazine to hold more then one round. But, it will be far more practical to use at the range. That is how I would build a single shot! Now, I had done the straight pull bolt actions in my past too. During the crime bill era I had a straight pull AR-15 pistol and it worked really well for what it was (an impractical toy IMHO). After the crime bill I put a gas block and tube back on her and she is now semi-auto again (Slightly less impractical but still quite impractical toy that never gets used). |
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My question is why did you get rid of the gas system? Just buy one of these: http://www.originalbobsled.com/ARSleds.aspx Then pin this magazine into the receiver and what you have is a single shot AUTO UNLOADING AR-15! And what is nice is that it will keep your bolt open for the next round. I use these for DCM/CMP with my mousegun. It would be impossible to use a different magazine in the gun without punching out the pins. It would be impossible for this magazine to hold more then one round. But, it will be far more practical to use at the range. That is how I would build a single shot! Now, I had done the straight pull bolt actions in my past too. During the crime bill era I had a straight pull AR-15 pistol and it worked really well for what it was (an impractical toy IMHO). After the crime bill I put a gas block and tube back on her and she is now semi-auto again (Slightly less impractical but still quite impractical toy that never gets used). Look out for that constructive intent. Perhaps you could still be charged since the barrel has a gas hole even if it isn't lined up. On the other hand if this block is pinned or welded in to the only frame you have you would have a defense. |
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Since semi-auto centerfire isn't (completely) illegal (yet), if you were going to pin in a mag as suggested above, why not pin in a 10-rounder and top load? I'm not sure I see the point of handicapping yourself beyond what even the retarded laws require....or are you just getting ahead of the curve? |
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The Bob Sled is kinda cool but that still leaves the rifle as a semi auto with the capability of a removable mag.
My whole thought process was to try something different with one of my AR's. The other ones I will most likely use the new "Patriot Mag Release" by Prince. I see what you are all talking about with the barrel gas hole. Simply moving the gas block may not be enough. I'll have to ponder that one. I hate the thought of welding my gas block in place. it's interesting because the "California bullet button" could easily be turned back into a standard mag release in seconds but any other changes could still leave the rifle in a state of "intent". You'd think it would show my intent to abide by the law! All this crap is so confusing! 
Unfortunately, moving is NOT an option. |
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He was suggesting pinning the mag into the rifle, so it would not be removable. Quoted:
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The Bob Sled is kinda cool but that still leaves the rifle as a semi auto with the capability of a removable mag. Years ago there were single shot AR-15s made to get around your laws. They certainly were normal uppers with just a lower that would not accept a magazine. You might be able to find one but I use the Bob Sled in my CMP gun and I know that works real slick! |
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Quoted: I would think that if it's a single shot side charger you could have everything else operate normally. That would include the mag release? |
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The Bob Sled is kinda cool but that still leaves the rifle as a semi auto with the capability of a removable mag. My whole thought process was to try something different with one of my AR's. The other ones I will most likely use the new "Patriot Mag Release" by Prince. I see what you are all talking about with the barrel gas hole. Simply moving the gas block may not be enough. I'll have to ponder that one. I hate the thought of welding my gas block in place. it's interesting because the "California bullet button" could easily be turned back into a standard mag release in seconds but any other changes could still leave the rifle in a state of "intent". You'd think it would show my intent to abide by the law! All this crap is so confusing!
Unfortunately, moving is NOT an option. The Patriot Mag Release is sort of nifty in a Kalifornia kinda way. And moving is ALWAYS an option. You just have to want it bad enough. Which, it seems, at this point you do not. |
| Have you looked at a modification they do in the UK called 'lever release'. In that system, the bolt catch is modified to catch the bolt carrier every time the rifle is fired. When you fire the rifle, the direct-impingement gas system moves the bolt carrier rearward as normal, but then it is caught and held in the open position by the bolt-catch. The empty cartridge case is ejected, but no new round is loaded. You then manually release the bolt catch to chamber another round. It can be wickedly fast to reload but is not actually a semi-auto - which is how it is legal in the UK. Not sure how it would be viewed in California (that's a very strange place) but may be worth checking out. |
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Have you looked at a modification they do in the UK called 'lever release'. In that system, the bolt catch is modified to catch the bolt carrier every time the rifle is fired. When you fire the rifle, the direct-impingement gas system moves the bolt carrier rearward as normal, but then it is caught and held in the open position by the bolt-catch. The empty cartridge case is ejected, but no new round is loaded. You then manually release the bolt catch to chamber another round. It can be wickedly fast to reload but is not actually a semi-auto - which is how it is legal in the UK. Not sure how it would be viewed in California (that's a very strange place) but may be worth checking out. Interesting solution! So, the last round catch catches every time and to fire again you need to activate the bolt release. What would happen if you kept the bolt release button depressed while shooting or is that impossible with this system? I've never seen this but I have been away from here for a few years as I try to fix some issues In my life. |
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Interesting solution! So, the last round catch catches every time and to fire again you need to activate the bolt release. What would happen if you kept the bolt release button depressed while shooting or is that impossible with this system? I've never seen this but I have been away from here for a few years as I try to fix some issues In my life. Quoted:
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Have you looked at a modification they do in the UK called 'lever release'. In that system, the bolt catch is modified to catch the bolt carrier every time the rifle is fired. When you fire the rifle, the direct-impingement gas system moves the bolt carrier rearward as normal, but then it is caught and held in the open position by the bolt-catch. The empty cartridge case is ejected, but no new round is loaded. You then manually release the bolt catch to chamber another round. It can be wickedly fast to reload but is not actually a semi-auto - which is how it is legal in the UK. Not sure how it would be viewed in California (that's a very strange place) but may be worth checking out. Interesting solution! So, the last round catch catches every time and to fire again you need to activate the bolt release. What would happen if you kept the bolt release button depressed while shooting or is that impossible with this system? I've never seen this but I have been away from here for a few years as I try to fix some issues In my life. Of that I am unsure. I can only assume that there is a manner of stopping that, otherwise the technology would not be accepted for legal use in the UK, which as you know has a pathological hatred of semi-autos! |
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