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Posted: 2/12/2016 3:00:02 PM EDT
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This is a repost from GD.
Thought I'd get more traffic there this time of day but not much help there. Trying again here Looking at getting a Lite Weight upper assembly. It's a toss up between BCN and PSA. Both have the CHF lite weight uppers I think both are made by FN but not sure. Is there much if any difference in the two if both barrels are made by the same manufacturer? |
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I should of also posted I'll be free floating the upper and the FSB will be removed.
I have a BCM upper and it will out shoot me. I also purchased 2 PSA kits for the wife and son several years ago and both had no issues. Actually grouped pretty good but not quite as good as my BCM. I was wondering of the CHF barrels preform the same especially if they are made by FN ( still don't know for sure if PSA's CHF barrels are FN ) If they'll perform the same plus save me a hundred off the upper and more with PSA including the BCG in their upper assembly. Posted Via AR15.Com Mobile |
| I like PSA CHF barrels, I have built a few. That being said, the last three I ordered had to be sent back for QC assembly problems and I was given my money back. I have replaced those with Bravo Company rifles and can say that they build/assemble them the right way. From now on I will only get BCM chf uppers. I will still buy small parts and ammo from psa, until they get their QC problems fixed. |
| PSA's CHF barrels are made by FN. It's been rumored that FN makes BCM's BFH barrels but never confirmed and BCM doesn't disclose who makes their barrels. I looked into the same thing a while back and I did notice that the FN CHF barrels from PSA and Spikes get pretty good accuracy reports, while by most accounts BCM's BFH barrels seem to be 2-3 moa with good ammo. The $60-$80 premium for the BFH barrels vs the same profile standard chrome lined barrel is a bit steep IMO. As said BCM does have much better QC. My opinion, at PSA's prices might as well get the CHF. At BCM's prices I went with the standard barrel over BFH. |
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I like PSA CHF barrels, I have built a few. That being said, the last three I ordered had to be sent back for QC assembly problems and I was given my money back. I have replaced those with Bravo Company rifles and can say that they build/assemble them the right way. From now on I will only get BCM chf uppers. I will still buy small parts and ammo from psa, until they get their QC problems fixed. If you don't mind, what were the QC problems? Did all three have the same problem? I'm assuming these were complete uppers, and not just barrels. |
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PSA uses FN barrels, so they are top notch, however, their in-house assembly QC has issues.
Of the five PSA uppers that I and my son have ordered, only one was right...the rest had canted FSBs, loose (as in hand tight only) or over torqued barrel nuts, etc. These are strictly in-house quality issues, not a symptom of the parts themselves. As much as I do like a lot of PSA parts (and continue to use them), I have no plans to buy a new PSA built upper anytime soon. Go with BCM as you are much more likely to get a properly built upper from the start. |
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If you don't mind, what were the QC problems? Did all three have the same problem? I'm assuming these were complete uppers, and not just barrels. Quoted:
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I like PSA CHF barrels, I have built a few. That being said, the last three I ordered had to be sent back for QC assembly problems and I was given my money back. I have replaced those with Bravo Company rifles and can say that they build/assemble them the right way. From now on I will only get BCM chf uppers. I will still buy small parts and ammo from psa, until they get their QC problems fixed. If you don't mind, what were the QC problems? Did all three have the same problem? I'm assuming these were complete uppers, and not just barrels. No all 3 had different problems:.first 16 mid chf had the barrel nut not timed right, gas tube so crooked the bolt wouldnt close, the barrel nut was cross threaded and required over 150 ft lbs to get off, upper receiver was ruined. Second was a 16inch carbine chf, the barrel extension was not timed with the barrel and bolt would not go into ext. Third and last was the 14.7 light weight chf I got in December, it had a FSB that was canted to the right so bad that with the rear sight all the way to the right that at 100 yards still shot 10-12 inches to the left. All 3 were sent back for repair and deemed unable to be fix by PSA. I got my money back and CS was always nice but each time was over 5-6 weeks from purchase to money back. These were all complete uppers. I have 5 rifles from them that have been perfect. For me I think its been a craps shoot if they will be right or not. Each one of the uppers were my last three orders from them. I replaced all with BCM and they are built the way I build them with molly lube on barrel nuts, FSB top dead center, extensions timed perfect. Even the cam pins have white lithium grease on them. Just built right. PSA needs better assembly QC, imho, but I like the quality of the individual parts. I now see op just wants a barrel. |
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PSA's CHF barrels are made by FN. It's been rumored that FN makes BCM's BFH barrels but never confirmed and BCM doesn't disclose who makes their barrels. I looked into the same thing a while back and I did notice that the FN CHF barrels from PSA and Spikes get pretty good accuracy reports, while by most accounts BCM's BFH barrels seem to be 2-3 moa with good ammo. The $60-$80 premium for the BFH barrels vs the same profile standard chrome lined barrel is a bit steep IMO. As said BCM does have much better QC. My opinion, at PSA's prices might as well get the CHF. At BCM's prices I went with the standard barrel over BFH. Molon reported 1.5"-1.96" MOA with match ammo on the BCM BFH 14.5" .gov middy. http://www.ar15.com/forums/t_3_118/687734_Accuracy_Evaluation_of_a_Bravo_Company_14_5__Barrel.html |
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Doesn't bcm use loctite on their barrel nuts and/or extensions? Some have complained that it's incredibly difficult to remove the barrels from their uppers. Either that or their uppers are purposefully undersized by a thousandth or something. BCM loctite Not that i have ever seen or heard......... the 4 i've helped pull apart were fucking torqued to the max to say the least though. I don't beleive this hurts anything it's just a pita when you go to take it apart. Psa fn brl uppers are a good deal when on sale............ if they aren't on sale it's not worth the risk of the qc imo. I've personally had good luck all the fn barreled uppers i've bought .... two 10.5" a 16" mid lightweight have been perfect. The two one of my brothers has have been fine also. It really boils down to your what your looking for your budget and if your willing to roll the dice with some poor qc slipping sometimes. |
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Molon reported 1.5"-1.96" MOA with match ammo on the BCM BFH 14.5" .gov middy. http://www.ar15.com/forums/t_3_118/687734_Accuracy_Evaluation_of_a_Bravo_Company_14_5__Barrel.html Quoted:
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PSA's CHF barrels are made by FN. It's been rumored that FN makes BCM's BFH barrels but never confirmed and BCM doesn't disclose who makes their barrels. I looked into the same thing a while back and I did notice that the FN CHF barrels from PSA and Spikes get pretty good accuracy reports, while by most accounts BCM's BFH barrels seem to be 2-3 moa with good ammo. The $60-$80 premium for the BFH barrels vs the same profile standard chrome lined barrel is a bit steep IMO. As said BCM does have much better QC. My opinion, at PSA's prices might as well get the CHF. At BCM's prices I went with the standard barrel over BFH. Molon reported 1.5"-1.96" MOA with match ammo on the BCM BFH 14.5" .gov middy. http://www.ar15.com/forums/t_3_118/687734_Accuracy_Evaluation_of_a_Bravo_Company_14_5__Barrel.html I did say most, obviously some will be better, some worse. As was said in that thread, not particularly good if that was the best it can do with good hand loads. Especially for the price of the BFH barrels. |
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Quoted: I did say most, obviously some will be better, some worse. As was said in that thread, not particularly good if that was the best it can do with good hand loads. Especially for the price of the BFH barrels. Quoted: Quoted: Quoted: PSA's CHF barrels are made by FN. It's been rumored that FN makes BCM's BFH barrels but never confirmed and BCM doesn't disclose who makes their barrels. I looked into the same thing a while back and I did notice that the FN CHF barrels from PSA and Spikes get pretty good accuracy reports, while by most accounts BCM's BFH barrels seem to be 2-3 moa with good ammo. The $60-$80 premium for the BFH barrels vs the same profile standard chrome lined barrel is a bit steep IMO. As said BCM does have much better QC. My opinion, at PSA's prices might as well get the CHF. At BCM's prices I went with the standard barrel over BFH. Molon reported 1.5"-1.96" MOA with match ammo on the BCM BFH 14.5" .gov middy. http://www.ar15.com/forums/t_3_118/687734_Accuracy_Evaluation_of_a_Bravo_Company_14_5__Barrel.html I did say most, obviously some will be better, some worse. As was said in that thread, not particularly good if that was the best it can do with good hand loads. Especially for the price of the BFH barrels. I think people get too used to seeing/hearing about 3 and 5 shot groups and all these barrels being '1 moa'. 10 shot groups are another ballgame and a consistent 10 shot 1.5 moa chrome lined barrel is about as good as you can ask for |
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