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Posted: 1/10/2016 10:10:32 PM EDT
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Looking at getting a 14.5 carbine upper. I've been leaning towards the BCM or the ADCO with a DD barrel. Both will end up being about the same price once I add a BCG and BCM mod 4 charging handle. The thing that has me leaning away from the BCM is the not so great accuracy reports of their barrels. What are your thoughts on the two uppers or is there another you guys would recommend?
ADCO upper https://www.adcofirearms.com/itemdetails.cfm?inventorynumber=2247 BCM upper http://www.bravocompanyusa.com/BCM-M4-14-5-Upper-Receiver-Group-p/bcm-urg-m4-14.htm |
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i was thinking about ordering a bcm upper tomorrow, i am unaware of any accuracy issues with the bcm barrels. could you elaborate please. Molons recent accuracy test of the BCM 14.5 barrel wasn't overly impressive. I'm not sure if it's enough to sway me from it but I feel like a DD barrel could be better. |
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has he tested the 16" bfh bcm barrels? i saw he tested some noveske barrels, they looked good to go, i dont remember where i read about his testing He just posted a test he did a couple days ago on a BCM BFH 14.5 middy govt profile and the results didn't impress many people. EDIT TO ADD: Here it is: http://www.ar15.com/forums/t_3_118/687734_Accuracy_Evaluation_of_a_Bravo_Company_14_5__Barrel.html |
I put mine together using a Colt M4A1 barrel and a BCM-4 upper receiver.
One below my SBR. You can't really tell the difference between the BCM and a Colt upper, except for the lack of "C" on the upper; the receiver is an Anchor Harvey forge, so it's the same one Colt uses on their military M4s. |
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well that is not exactly the results i would like to see... will have to re-think purchase of upper i'm no sniper so i need all the help i can get from the equipment You guys are using his one test with a sample size of one barrel to completely lose all hope? His test is extremely well done. But it's still just one barrel. |
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You guys are using his one test with a sample size of one barrel to completely lose all hope? His test is extremely well done. But it's still just one barrel. Quoted:
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well that is not exactly the results i would like to see... will have to re-think purchase of upper i'm no sniper so i need all the help i can get from the equipment You guys are using his one test with a sample size of one barrel to completely lose all hope? His test is extremely well done. But it's still just one barrel. Well...then theres the question...is that BCM barrel indicative of the norm or the exception. |
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Well...then theres the question...is that BCM barrel indicative of the norm or the exception. Quoted:
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well that is not exactly the results i would like to see... will have to re-think purchase of upper i'm no sniper so i need all the help i can get from the equipment You guys are using his one test with a sample size of one barrel to completely lose all hope? His test is extremely well done. But it's still just one barrel. Well...then theres the question...is that BCM barrel indicative of the norm or the exception. Dunno. If I had to venture a guess...probably. I would also venture that there are far fewer people on this board that could tell the difference in a 1.5 moa barrel or a 1moa barrel. As evident from the MOA all-day thread. ETA: I just find it somewhat comical that people are writing off BCM barrels due to the fact ONE combat grade chromelined barrel "only" managed around 1.5 moa. Full disclosure: I don't own a BFH barrel....I wouldn't use that inaccurate thing in my rifle..   
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| I would really be leaning toward a lightweight barrel over the ridiculous M4 profile, or even the M4A1 profile. Daniel Defense is the only one I know of that makes a 14.5" carbine LW barrel. Are you opposed to buying the barrel separately and building from a stripped upper? |
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Is there a source for the Colt barrels besides a second hand market? http://www.brownells.com/rifle-parts/barrel-parts/rifle-barrels/14-5-m4-socom-barrel-assembly-with-sight-tower-prod71337.aspx |
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I would really be leaning toward a lightweight barrel over the ridiculous M4 profile, or even the M4A1 profile. Daniel Defense is the only one I know of that makes a 14.5" carbine LW barrel. Are you opposed to buying the barrel separately and building from a stripped upper? Not really opposed it's just that I would need to buy the tools and things to assemble the upper which is more money. |
| Also add in the fact in the BCM test that it was 10 shot groups, add to that potential the human factor and possibility the match of bullets to barrel were not to that particular barrels liking. Molon likely would have had completely different results with say a 62 gn bullet. A 1.5" 10 shot group w/o removing flyers which we all are capable of doing is a very respectable grouping. |
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He just posted a test he did a couple days ago on a BCM BFH 14.5 middy govt profile and the results didn't impress many people. EDIT TO ADD: Here it is: http://www.ar15.com/forums/t_3_118/687734_Accuracy_Evaluation_of_a_Bravo_Company_14_5__Barrel.html Quoted:
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has he tested the 16" bfh bcm barrels? i saw he tested some noveske barrels, they looked good to go, i dont remember where i read about his testing He just posted a test he did a couple days ago on a BCM BFH 14.5 middy govt profile and the results didn't impress many people. EDIT TO ADD: Here it is: http://www.ar15.com/forums/t_3_118/687734_Accuracy_Evaluation_of_a_Bravo_Company_14_5__Barrel.html Whoops wrong test. |
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Molons recent accuracy test of the BCM 14.5 barrel wasn't overly impressive. I'm not sure if it's enough to sway me from it but I feel like a DD barrel could be better. Quoted:
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i was thinking about ordering a bcm upper tomorrow, i am unaware of any accuracy issues with the bcm barrels. could you elaborate please. Molons recent accuracy test of the BCM 14.5 barrel wasn't overly impressive. I'm not sure if it's enough to sway me from it but I feel like a DD barrel could be better. What are you expecting out of this upper? Are you wanting to use this AR as a fighting weapon or as a precision weapon? I have never had any complaints from accuracy out of my BCM 14.5" barrels. It does not make any difference whether I am shooting 55 gr., 62 gr., or 77 gr. ammo. If you are wanting the 14.5" upper for a fighting weapon, the BCM will do the job just fine. If you are concerned about precision accuracy, then re-think what you are looking at as far as barrel length is concerned. To me, if any shooter with an AR can hit "minute of head" all day long at 100 yards, then they are good to go. If you can hit torso shots out to 300 yards all day long, you are good to go. You have to decide if you want a fighting weapon or a precision weapon. |
This has to be one of the funniest threads I will read today and it is not even in GD on top of that not even noon. A bunch of you are complaining because a chrome lined lightweight barrel you would find more typically in a role not meant for precision accuracy is able to shoot around 1.5MOA. The barrel is NOT intended for that type of purpose this reminds me of a thread a few years ago where a guy bought a SR15 expecting it to be a precision rig and complaining because he could not shoot much better than 1-2MOA. If you want a precision rifle get a precision rifle setup.
   
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I agree, if you are looking for more of a fighting or home defense weapon there is absolutely nothing wrong with BCM. How often are you going to be shooting out to or past 300m, realistically? If often, then yes maybe you should be looking at something else, but not in a 14.5" barrel. Of the 3 upper groups I've had so far, 2 of them being BCM, my current setup with a BFH ELW barrel and KMR-A rail is my favorite by far. Don't get all caught up over fractions of an inch in an accuracy test, these guns are far more accurate than the human who operate them.
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This has to be one of the funniest threads I will read today and it is not even in GD on top of that not even noon. A bunch of you are complaining because a chrome lined lightweight barrel you would find more typically in a role not meant for precision accuracy is able to shoot around 1.5MOA. The barrel is NOT intended for that type of purpose this reminds me of a thread a few years ago where a guy bought a SR15 expecting it to be a precision rig and complaining because he could not shoot much better than 1-2MOA. If you want a precision rifle get a precision rifle setup.
Complaining about a battle style rifle because it shoots 1.5MOA and that makes you have to rethink BCM. This, comparing a mass produced chrome lined barrel against a heavy hand turned kreiger with completely different linings/ and rifling is just silly that kreiger barrel likely costs as much as the entire BCM upper.. The test provided it actually pretty damn good for what the barrel is. And asking about the colt barrel is just silly it will be the same more or less accuracy wise than the BCM they both have nearly identical specifications. You're looking for SPR accuracy out of a 14.5'' barrel. 
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This has to be one of the funniest threads I will read today and it is not even in GD on top of that not even noon. A bunch of you are complaining because a chrome lined lightweight barrel you would find more typically in a role not meant for precision accuracy is able to shoot around 1.5MOA. The barrel is NOT intended for that type of purpose this reminds me of a thread a few years ago where a guy bought a SR15 expecting it to be a precision rig and complaining because he could not shoot much better than 1-2MOA. If you want a precision rifle get a precision rifle setup.
Complaining about a battle style rifle because it shoots 1.5MOA and that makes you have to rethink BCM. spot on....it's COMICAL probably the same guys that start with, 'fit and finish' and 'if my life depended on it' no rack grade firearm is shooting precision unless you got a fluke |
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With the manufacturing technology getting cheaper, there are a lot of companies offering a 1MOA or better guarantee with their barrels. Those barrels happen to cost less than BCM. That's why you're seeing responses like that. It's not bad, but I expected more based on how much they charge.
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I agree, if you are looking for more of a fighting or home defense weapon there is absolutely nothing wrong with BCM. How often are you going to be shooting out to or past 300m, realistically? If often, then yes maybe you should be looking at something else, but not in a 14.5" barrel. Of the 3 upper groups I've had so far, 2 of them being BCM, my current setup with a BFH ELW barrel and KMR-A rail is my favorite by far. Don't get all caught up over fractions of an inch in an accuracy test, these guns are far more accurate than the human who operate them. <a href="http://s609.photobucket.com/user/jbarbaresi/media/Guns/DSC_0324-1-01_zpsdcxcdh3c.jpeg.html" target="_blank">http://i609.photobucket.com/albums/tt176/jbarbaresi/Guns/DSC_0324-1-01_zpsdcxcdh3c.jpeg</a> Considering most of us shoot at the range FAR more than we'd ever have to use the firearm in a defensive scenario, I'd say it's more realistic for us to be shooting 300m+ than depending on the rifle in a life or death situation. |
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This has to be one of the funniest threads I will read today and it is not even in GD on top of that not even noon. A bunch of you are complaining because a chrome lined lightweight barrel you would find more typically in a role not meant for precision accuracy is able to shoot around 1.5MOA. The barrel is NOT intended for that type of purpose this reminds me of a thread a few years ago where a guy bought a SR15 expecting it to be a precision rig and complaining because he could not shoot much better than 1-2MOA. If you want a precision rifle get a precision rifle setup.
Complaining about a battle style rifle because it shoots 1.5MOA and that makes you have to rethink BCM. To me, too many guys are stuck on getting a certain MOA rather than being concerned whether they can be accurate and confident enough to shoot a person in a defensive situation (or even an offensive situation should it come to that). I trained on the M16A1 starting back in 1978. I was good enough to be a Sharpshooter (missed Expert by 5 pts.). We had to engage targets out to 500M with iron sights. The barrels were nothing like the barrel made today. There were a slow 1/12 twist using M193 ammo. When it came to a fighting situation, all you needed to do was hit the person shooting at you. You were not concerned about MOA. You were shooting MOM (minute of man). If you are shooting an AR with a 14.5" carbine gas system barrel and you are getting 1-1.5MOA @ 100 yards, you are doing pretty darn good. That is more than acceptable. As I and other have said, if you want better than that, you need to buy or build a precision AR. You have to figure out what is more important, an AR that will allow you to put rounds on target at any given time or one that you can take your time shooting and punch holes in paper out past 300M. |
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With the manufacturing technology getting cheaper, there are a lot of companies offering a 1MOA or better guarantee with their barrels. Those barrels happen to cost less than BCM. That's why you're seeing responses like that. It's not bad, but I expected more based on how much they charge. Considering most of us shoot at the range FAR more than we'd ever have to use the firearm in a defensive scenario, I'd say it's more realistic for us to be shooting 300m+ than depending on the rifle in a life or death situation. Quoted:
With the manufacturing technology getting cheaper, there are a lot of companies offering a 1MOA or better guarantee with their barrels. Those barrels happen to cost less than BCM. That's why you're seeing responses like that. It's not bad, but I expected more based on how much they charge. Quoted:
I agree, if you are looking for more of a fighting or home defense weapon there is absolutely nothing wrong with BCM. How often are you going to be shooting out to or past 300m, realistically? If often, then yes maybe you should be looking at something else, but not in a 14.5" barrel. Of the 3 upper groups I've had so far, 2 of them being BCM, my current setup with a BFH ELW barrel and KMR-A rail is my favorite by far. Don't get all caught up over fractions of an inch in an accuracy test, these guns are far more accurate than the human who operate them. <a href="http://s609.photobucket.com/user/jbarbaresi/media/Guns/DSC_0324-1-01_zpsdcxcdh3c.jpeg.html" target="_blank">http://i609.photobucket.com/albums/tt176/jbarbaresi/Guns/DSC_0324-1-01_zpsdcxcdh3c.jpeg</a> Considering most of us shoot at the range FAR more than we'd ever have to use the firearm in a defensive scenario, I'd say it's more realistic for us to be shooting 300m+ than depending on the rifle in a life or death situation. who is offering a standard gov't profile barrel with 1 moa guarantee for 1-150? Has the barrel undergone the type of testing and abuse BCM has, round count etc? I know some said BA offers moa guarantee but I don't see that on their cheapest govie profile barrel that would compare to the bcm barrel here. |
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To me, too many guys are stuck on getting a certain MOA rather than being concerned whether they can be accurate and confident enough to shoot a person in a defensive situation (or even an offensive situation should it come to that). I trained on the M16A1 starting back in 1978. I was good enough to be a Sharpshooter (missed Expert by 5 pts.). We had to engage targets out to 500M with iron sights. The barrels were nothing like the barrel made today. There were a slow 1/12 twist using M193 ammo. When it came to a fighting situation, all you needed to do was hit the person shooting at you. You were not concerned about MOA. You were shooting MOM (minute of man). If you are shooting an AR with a 14.5" carbine gas system barrel and you are getting 1-1.5MOA @ 100 yards, you are doing pretty darn good. That is more than acceptable. As I and other have said, if you want better than that, you need to buy or build a precision AR. You have to figure out what is more important, an AR that will allow you to put rounds on target at any given time or one that you can take your time shooting and punch holes in paper out past 300M. Quoted:
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This has to be one of the funniest threads I will read today and it is not even in GD on top of that not even noon. A bunch of you are complaining because a chrome lined lightweight barrel you would find more typically in a role not meant for precision accuracy is able to shoot around 1.5MOA. The barrel is NOT intended for that type of purpose this reminds me of a thread a few years ago where a guy bought a SR15 expecting it to be a precision rig and complaining because he could not shoot much better than 1-2MOA. If you want a precision rifle get a precision rifle setup.
Complaining about a battle style rifle because it shoots 1.5MOA and that makes you have to rethink BCM. To me, too many guys are stuck on getting a certain MOA rather than being concerned whether they can be accurate and confident enough to shoot a person in a defensive situation (or even an offensive situation should it come to that). I trained on the M16A1 starting back in 1978. I was good enough to be a Sharpshooter (missed Expert by 5 pts.). We had to engage targets out to 500M with iron sights. The barrels were nothing like the barrel made today. There were a slow 1/12 twist using M193 ammo. When it came to a fighting situation, all you needed to do was hit the person shooting at you. You were not concerned about MOA. You were shooting MOM (minute of man). If you are shooting an AR with a 14.5" carbine gas system barrel and you are getting 1-1.5MOA @ 100 yards, you are doing pretty darn good. That is more than acceptable. As I and other have said, if you want better than that, you need to buy or build a precision AR. You have to figure out what is more important, an AR that will allow you to put rounds on target at any given time or one that you can take your time shooting and punch holes in paper out past 300M. well said |
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who is offering a standard gov't profile barrel with 1 moa guarantee for 1-150? Has the barrel undergone the type of testing and abuse BCM has, round count etc? I know some said BA offers moa guarantee but I don't see that on their cheapest govie profile barrel that would compare to the bcm barrel here. Quoted:
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With the manufacturing technology getting cheaper, there are a lot of companies offering a 1MOA or better guarantee with their barrels. Those barrels happen to cost less than BCM. That's why you're seeing responses like that. It's not bad, but I expected more based on how much they charge. Quoted:
I agree, if you are looking for more of a fighting or home defense weapon there is absolutely nothing wrong with BCM. How often are you going to be shooting out to or past 300m, realistically? If often, then yes maybe you should be looking at something else, but not in a 14.5" barrel. Of the 3 upper groups I've had so far, 2 of them being BCM, my current setup with a BFH ELW barrel and KMR-A rail is my favorite by far. Don't get all caught up over fractions of an inch in an accuracy test, these guns are far more accurate than the human who operate them. <a href="http://s609.photobucket.com/user/jbarbaresi/media/Guns/DSC_0324-1-01_zpsdcxcdh3c.jpeg.html" target="_blank">http://i609.photobucket.com/albums/tt176/jbarbaresi/Guns/DSC_0324-1-01_zpsdcxcdh3c.jpeg</a> Considering most of us shoot at the range FAR more than we'd ever have to use the firearm in a defensive scenario, I'd say it's more realistic for us to be shooting 300m+ than depending on the rifle in a life or death situation. who is offering a standard gov't profile barrel with 1 moa guarantee for 1-150? Has the barrel undergone the type of testing and abuse BCM has, round count etc? I know some said BA offers moa guarantee but I don't see that on their cheapest govie profile barrel that would compare to the bcm barrel here. Every barrel BA sells has a MOA guarantee. It's in their "Accuracy Guarantee" tab on the barrel page. "We are committed to providing products that meet, or exceed, the expectations of our most discerning customers. We stand behind that commitment. From the moment you unwrap one of our barrels, as you configure it with your receivers and handguards, and as you fire it on the range or in the field, we want you to experience the unique elegance and uncompromising quality that we craft into every one of our barrels. We also stand behind our commitment to performance. All Ballistic Advantage barrels are guaranteed to give sub Minute of Angle (MOA) accuracy with match grade ammunition." Link to 16'' barrel Link to 14.5'' barrel SAVE10NOW gets it under $150 shipped. BA also makes Schuyler Arms (a site sponsor) some barrels - their 14.5'' and 16'' are $95. Should have the same guarantee, but I am not 100% on that. Link to their barrel and the 16'' |
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Every barrel BA sells has a MOA guarantee. It's in their "Accuracy Guarantee" tab on the barrel page. "We are committed to providing products that meet, or exceed, the expectations of our most discerning customers. We stand behind that commitment. From the moment you unwrap one of our barrels, as you configure it with your receivers and handguards, and as you fire it on the range or in the field, we want you to experience the unique elegance and uncompromising quality that we craft into every one of our barrels. We also stand behind our commitment to performance. All Ballistic Advantage barrels are guaranteed to give sub Minute of Angle (MOA) accuracy with match grade ammunition." Link to 16'' barrel Link to 14.5'' barrel SAVE10NOW gets it under $150 shipped. Quoted:
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With the manufacturing technology getting cheaper, there are a lot of companies offering a 1MOA or better guarantee with their barrels. Those barrels happen to cost less than BCM. That's why you're seeing responses like that. It's not bad, but I expected more based on how much they charge. Quoted:
I agree, if you are looking for more of a fighting or home defense weapon there is absolutely nothing wrong with BCM. How often are you going to be shooting out to or past 300m, realistically? If often, then yes maybe you should be looking at something else, but not in a 14.5" barrel. Of the 3 upper groups I've had so far, 2 of them being BCM, my current setup with a BFH ELW barrel and KMR-A rail is my favorite by far. Don't get all caught up over fractions of an inch in an accuracy test, these guns are far more accurate than the human who operate them. <a href="http://s609.photobucket.com/user/jbarbaresi/media/Guns/DSC_0324-1-01_zpsdcxcdh3c.jpeg.html" target="_blank">http://i609.photobucket.com/albums/tt176/jbarbaresi/Guns/DSC_0324-1-01_zpsdcxcdh3c.jpeg</a> Considering most of us shoot at the range FAR more than we'd ever have to use the firearm in a defensive scenario, I'd say it's more realistic for us to be shooting 300m+ than depending on the rifle in a life or death situation. who is offering a standard gov't profile barrel with 1 moa guarantee for 1-150? Has the barrel undergone the type of testing and abuse BCM has, round count etc? I know some said BA offers moa guarantee but I don't see that on their cheapest govie profile barrel that would compare to the bcm barrel here. Every barrel BA sells has a MOA guarantee. It's in their "Accuracy Guarantee" tab on the barrel page. "We are committed to providing products that meet, or exceed, the expectations of our most discerning customers. We stand behind that commitment. From the moment you unwrap one of our barrels, as you configure it with your receivers and handguards, and as you fire it on the range or in the field, we want you to experience the unique elegance and uncompromising quality that we craft into every one of our barrels. We also stand behind our commitment to performance. All Ballistic Advantage barrels are guaranteed to give sub Minute of Angle (MOA) accuracy with match grade ammunition." Link to 16'' barrel Link to 14.5'' barrel SAVE10NOW gets it under $150 shipped. thx..... unlined? |
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Every barrel BA sells has a MOA guarantee. It's in their "Accuracy Guarantee" tab on the barrel page. "We are committed to providing products that meet, or exceed, the expectations of our most discerning customers. We stand behind that commitment. From the moment you unwrap one of our barrels, as you configure it with your receivers and handguards, and as you fire it on the range or in the field, we want you to experience the unique elegance and uncompromising quality that we craft into every one of our barrels. We also stand behind our commitment to performance. All Ballistic Advantage barrels are guaranteed to give sub Minute of Angle (MOA) accuracy with match grade ammunition." Link to 16'' barrel Link to 14.5'' barrel SAVE10NOW gets it under $150 shipped. BA also makes Schuyler Arms (a site sponsor) some barrels - their 14.5'' and 16'' are $95. Should have the same guarantee, but I am not 100% on that. Link to their barrel and the 16'' Quoted:
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With the manufacturing technology getting cheaper, there are a lot of companies offering a 1MOA or better guarantee with their barrels. Those barrels happen to cost less than BCM. That's why you're seeing responses like that. It's not bad, but I expected more based on how much they charge. Quoted:
I agree, if you are looking for more of a fighting or home defense weapon there is absolutely nothing wrong with BCM. How often are you going to be shooting out to or past 300m, realistically? If often, then yes maybe you should be looking at something else, but not in a 14.5" barrel. Of the 3 upper groups I've had so far, 2 of them being BCM, my current setup with a BFH ELW barrel and KMR-A rail is my favorite by far. Don't get all caught up over fractions of an inch in an accuracy test, these guns are far more accurate than the human who operate them. <a href="http://s609.photobucket.com/user/jbarbaresi/media/Guns/DSC_0324-1-01_zpsdcxcdh3c.jpeg.html" target="_blank">http://i609.photobucket.com/albums/tt176/jbarbaresi/Guns/DSC_0324-1-01_zpsdcxcdh3c.jpeg</a> Considering most of us shoot at the range FAR more than we'd ever have to use the firearm in a defensive scenario, I'd say it's more realistic for us to be shooting 300m+ than depending on the rifle in a life or death situation. who is offering a standard gov't profile barrel with 1 moa guarantee for 1-150? Has the barrel undergone the type of testing and abuse BCM has, round count etc? I know some said BA offers moa guarantee but I don't see that on their cheapest govie profile barrel that would compare to the bcm barrel here. Every barrel BA sells has a MOA guarantee. It's in their "Accuracy Guarantee" tab on the barrel page. "We are committed to providing products that meet, or exceed, the expectations of our most discerning customers. We stand behind that commitment. From the moment you unwrap one of our barrels, as you configure it with your receivers and handguards, and as you fire it on the range or in the field, we want you to experience the unique elegance and uncompromising quality that we craft into every one of our barrels. We also stand behind our commitment to performance. All Ballistic Advantage barrels are guaranteed to give sub Minute of Angle (MOA) accuracy with match grade ammunition." Link to 16'' barrel Link to 14.5'' barrel SAVE10NOW gets it under $150 shipped. BA also makes Schuyler Arms (a site sponsor) some barrels - their 14.5'' and 16'' are $95. Should have the same guarantee, but I am not 100% on that. Link to their barrel and the 16'' great price regardless..... |
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To me, too many guys are stuck on getting a certain MOA rather than being concerned whether they can be accurate and confident enough to shoot a person in a defensive situation (or even an offensive situation should it come to that). I trained on the M16A1 starting back in 1978. I was good enough to be a Sharpshooter (missed Expert by 5 pts.). We had to engage targets out to 500M with iron sights. The barrels were nothing like the barrel made today. There were a slow 1/12 twist using M193 ammo. When it came to a fighting situation, all you needed to do was hit the person shooting at you. You were not concerned about MOA. You were shooting MOM (minute of man). If you are shooting an AR with a 14.5" carbine gas system barrel and you are getting 1-1.5MOA @ 100 yards, you are doing pretty darn good. That is more than acceptable. As I and other have said, if you want better than that, you need to buy or build a precision AR. You have to figure out what is more important, an AR that will allow you to put rounds on target at any given time or one that you can take your time shooting and punch holes in paper out past 300M. Quoted:
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This has to be one of the funniest threads I will read today and it is not even in GD on top of that not even noon. A bunch of you are complaining because a chrome lined lightweight barrel you would find more typically in a role not meant for precision accuracy is able to shoot around 1.5MOA. The barrel is NOT intended for that type of purpose this reminds me of a thread a few years ago where a guy bought a SR15 expecting it to be a precision rig and complaining because he could not shoot much better than 1-2MOA. If you want a precision rifle get a precision rifle setup.
Complaining about a battle style rifle because it shoots 1.5MOA and that makes you have to rethink BCM. To me, too many guys are stuck on getting a certain MOA rather than being concerned whether they can be accurate and confident enough to shoot a person in a defensive situation (or even an offensive situation should it come to that). I trained on the M16A1 starting back in 1978. I was good enough to be a Sharpshooter (missed Expert by 5 pts.). We had to engage targets out to 500M with iron sights. The barrels were nothing like the barrel made today. There were a slow 1/12 twist using M193 ammo. When it came to a fighting situation, all you needed to do was hit the person shooting at you. You were not concerned about MOA. You were shooting MOM (minute of man). If you are shooting an AR with a 14.5" carbine gas system barrel and you are getting 1-1.5MOA @ 100 yards, you are doing pretty darn good. That is more than acceptable. As I and other have said, if you want better than that, you need to buy or build a precision AR. You have to figure out what is more important, an AR that will allow you to put rounds on target at any given time or one that you can take your time shooting and punch holes in paper out past 300M. Well said.... I am happy that my 16" lightweight FN barrel that shoots 2-4MOA@100m\prone off hand with M193/M855 using an Aimpoint PRO. I am sure I could close the groups with a better optic, better ammo, and shooting off a bench...... but where in a HD/SHTF/Zombie apocalypse am I going to find myself shooting from a bench in those type of situations. I honestly cannot remember the last time I shot from a bench with a sled and bagged get up. How many of these guys complaining about 1.5 MOA probably only shoot from the bench and cannot even attain 1.5MOA with a precision rig? If this is the only type of shooting you are doing you are limiting your learning capability and when you find yourself in a real world situation where you cannot bench your rifle do you think you could hit a man or deer at even 200m. |
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He just posted a test he did a couple days ago on a BCM BFH 14.5 middy govt profile and the results didn't impress many people. EDIT TO ADD: Here it is: http://www.ar15.com/forums/t_3_118/687734_Accuracy_Evaluation_of_a_Bravo_Company_14_5__Barrel.html Quoted:
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has he tested the 16" bfh bcm barrels? i saw he tested some noveske barrels, they looked good to go, i dont remember where i read about his testing He just posted a test he did a couple days ago on a BCM BFH 14.5 middy govt profile and the results didn't impress many people. EDIT TO ADD: Here it is: http://www.ar15.com/forums/t_3_118/687734_Accuracy_Evaluation_of_a_Bravo_Company_14_5__Barrel.html Am I missing something? A BCM CHF barrel shot 1.5 MOA and people think that's bad? I would be more than happy with those results out of a barrel not meant to be a precision barrel. 
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This has to be one of the funniest threads I will read today and it is not even in GD on top of that not even noon. A bunch of you are complaining because a chrome lined lightweight barrel you would find more typically in a role not meant for precision accuracy is able to shoot around 1.5MOA. The barrel is NOT intended for that type of purpose this reminds me of a thread a few years ago where a guy bought a SR15 expecting it to be a precision rig and complaining because he could not shoot much better than 1-2MOA. If you want a precision rifle get a precision rifle setup.
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Another option. http://www.lmtstore.com/uppers/145-upper-receiver-assembly-with-flash-suppressor.html I'll be picking up the complete version of this in a month or so. When in doubt go LMT. Holy shit. $565 with no handguards, BCG, or CH. LMT is more pricey than I remember. |
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Holy shit. $565 with no handguards, BCG, or CH. LMT is more pricey than I remember. Quoted:
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Another option. http://www.lmtstore.com/uppers/145-upper-receiver-assembly-with-flash-suppressor.html I'll be picking up the complete version of this in a month or so. When in doubt go LMT. Holy shit. $565 with no handguards, BCG, or CH. LMT is more pricey than I remember. Considering it is LMT, that is not bad. They are worth every penny. That is for sure. You want high quality, durability, dependability, and accuracy to match, LMT has it. This upper is military grade and then some. |
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Considering it is LMT, that is not bad. They are worth every penny. That is for sure. You want high quality, durability, dependability, and accuracy to match, LMT has it. This upper is military grade and then some. Quoted:
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Another option. http://www.lmtstore.com/uppers/145-upper-receiver-assembly-with-flash-suppressor.html I'll be picking up the complete version of this in a month or so. When in doubt go LMT. Holy shit. $565 with no handguards, BCG, or CH. LMT is more pricey than I remember. Considering it is LMT, that is not bad. They are worth every penny. That is for sure. You want high quality, durability, dependability, and accuracy to match, LMT has it. This upper is military grade and then some. This has been my experience as well. LMT is top notch stuff, and their uppers really aren't all that expensive. They certainly have the track record to prove it, too. My 10.5 has been flawless. |
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