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[ARCHIVED THREAD] - FN-15 POS (Page 1 of 3)
Posted: 12/9/2015 4:54:12 PM EDT
| Bought an FN FN15 today. Sealed in a plastic bag because they don't want you to feel the shitty trigger. Gun looks and feels great but the trigger really sucks. It is truly the worst trigger I have ever felt in an AR15 in my entire life. Also according to their website it is NOT a hammer forged barrel. Could have bought a Colt 6920 for the same price. |
| MilSpec triggers are either hit or miss, some are good some are terrible. You can always replace them with a ALG. As for the FN15 I never understood all the hype about them, I would much prefer to just build a stripped lower out and just throw a CHF PSA upper on in and probably for less money as well...YMMV |
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I agree. FN brags on all their pistols and other rifles that they use hammer forged barrels. They sell CHF barrels and I assumed that the FN15 had one. Surprise. I like the gun and the way it feels but this is a shit trigger. Like pulling it full of sand. They are advertised as clones of the real deal, which don't have CHF barrels. Bad triggers are a fact of life with mil-spec triggers. Either replace it, polish the contact surfaces, or shoot it and let parts polish together on their own. |
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They are advertised as clones of the real deal, which don't have CHF barrels. Bad triggers are a fact of life with mil-spec triggers. Either replace it, polish the contact surfaces, or shoot it and let parts polish together on their own. Quoted:
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I agree. FN brags on all their pistols and other rifles that they use hammer forged barrels. They sell CHF barrels and I assumed that the FN15 had one. Surprise. I like the gun and the way it feels but this is a shit trigger. Like pulling it full of sand. They are advertised as clones of the real deal, which don't have CHF barrels. Bad triggers are a fact of life with mil-spec triggers. Either replace it, polish the contact surfaces, or shoot it and let parts polish together on their own. You know FN already sold civilian AR-15's before the collector series right? I see no mention from the OP that his rifle is one of those collector series M4 clones. Shitty triggers happen in all rifles OP, including government rifles. |
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So you didn't do your research and now you are bitching because you made assumptions about the rifle based on almost no information?
And the rifle is a POS because it has a standard trigger and a non-chf barrel, which, if you had bothered to do any research on a >$500 purchase you would know? |
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ALG ACT - on sale - http://www.primaryarms.com/05-199/p/05-199/ Or dry fire a lot and smooth it out. |
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ALG ACT - on sale - http://www.primaryarms.com/05-199/p/05-199/ Or dry fire a lot and smooth it out. Was going to suggest the ALG as well. Can't go wrong for the price |
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People buy into the CHF all the time. "But it will last longer"... Probably. But if it takes you 8+ years to burn a barrel or you shoot 1000 rounds through it and go with a different barrel length or material, what matter does it even make? Some people act like staking the castle nut and CHF barrels are a game changer. |
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ALG ACT - on sale - http://www.primaryarms.com/05-199/p/05-199/ Or dry fire a lot and smooth it out. JP springs as well will help. For 10 bucks you get about a 4-5# trigger. |
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I've found that flushing out the lower with brake cleaner to get any grit out and then lightly oiling the pins / pivot areas and dabbing a little bit of moly grease on the sear surface will usually clean up a trigger real well and it get's smoother a lot faster with a bit of use...........
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Bought an FN FN15 today. Sealed in a plastic bag because they don't want you to feel the shitty trigger. Gun looks and feels great but the trigger really sucks. It is truly the worst trigger I have ever felt in an AR15 in my entire life. Also according to their website it is NOT a hammer forged barrel. Could have bought a Colt 6920 for the same price. Sounds mil spec then. The triggers on M16s aren't known for their crispness. |
| I stand corrected on the CHF barrel. Talked with FN CS and they confirmed all FN AR's have CHF C/L barrels. Same as military. CHF is all they use in all of their guns.Tried the brake clean flush. Did not help. I'll just replace the trigger with a Geiselle. Everything else about the gun is standard and fit and finish is good. |
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I stand corrected on the CHF barrel. Talked with FN CS and they confirmed all FN AR's have CHF C/L barrels. Same as military. CHF is all they use in all of their guns.Tried the brake clean flush. Did not help. I'll just replace the trigger with a Geiselle. Everything else about the gun is standard and fit and finish is good.  Their military m4 barrels aren't CHF
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I took a total crap trigger I was putting in a lower for my brother the other day. Cleaned it well. Lapped the surfaces with some 1500 grit I had laying around. then lubed pins all up with Speed-X lube from corrosion-X, greased the sears and worked it in by hand for a couple minites. Feels as good or better than the QMS trigger I put in my pistol AR. |
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I stand corrected on the CHF barrel. Talked with FN CS and they confirmed all FN AR's have CHF C/L barrels. Same as military. CHF is all they use in all of their guns Incorrect. Military M16 and M4 barrels are NOT hammer forged, by specification. Colt attempted to get a waiver to the spec to allow hammer forged barrels and was denied. Colt wanted to use barrels from Diemaco/Colt Canada to meet production demands. |
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Quoted: If you get used to after market competition triggers, then go to pull the trigger on a Mil-spec or imitation Mil-spec trigger, it will feel like the gun is still on safe. It does not mean that the gun is a POS. Memories from the 2009 M16 EIC at Camp Perry: in SAFS they lifted an M16A2 by the trigger off safe, and during practice I literally thought the previous shooter flipped the safety on. |
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For the life of me, why does anyone WANT a hammer forged barrel? They are no where near as good as a button rifled or cut rifled barrel. Not even close. They are the cheapest barrels to produce.
As far as triggers are concerned, all standard issue triggers suck. It's the nature of the beast, the U.S. government doesn't want any accidents involving light triggers in use by their soldiers or their police. Upgrade, everyone else takes this as a matter of course. I have more rifles than I'll ever need, I still want a FN15 Collectors Series just because. 
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Tried the brake clean flush. Did not help. I'll just replace the trigger with a Geiselle. Before you replace the trigger, try this: now that you've used brake cleaner to get rid of the crap (protective coatings on parts tend to have stuff stick), LUBE THE CRAP OUT OF THE TRIGGER. Even if you did oil it a little after the brake cleaner, those freshly machined, brand new parts need extra lubrication so they can break in. Dry fire it a while, a hundred cycles or more, and THEN decide if the trigger is any better. I highly recommend the ALG ACT. Especially at the price Primary Arms is asking!!! It's a standard single-stage trigger, but since it is finished the way it is, it feels extremely smooth and quite light. |
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I took a total crap trigger I was putting in a lower for my brother the other day. Cleaned it well. Lapped the surfaces with some 1500 grit I had laying around. then lubed pins all up with Speed-X lube from corrosion-X, greased the sears and worked it in by hand for a couple minites. Feels as good or better than the QMS trigger I put in my pistol AR. You probably could have skipped the lapping and gotten 95% of that improvement. Particularly lubing the pins is very useful. I'll also point out that Geissele provides a tiny packet of grease with their triggers for lubing the pin bores on the hammer and trigger, and for lubing the sear surfaces. |
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You know FN already sold civilian AR-15's before the collector series right? I see no mention from the OP that his rifle is one of those collector series M4 clones. Shitty triggers happen in all rifles OP, including government rifles. Quoted:
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I agree. FN brags on all their pistols and other rifles that they use hammer forged barrels. They sell CHF barrels and I assumed that the FN15 had one. Surprise. I like the gun and the way it feels but this is a shit trigger. Like pulling it full of sand. They are advertised as clones of the real deal, which don't have CHF barrels. Bad triggers are a fact of life with mil-spec triggers. Either replace it, polish the contact surfaces, or shoot it and let parts polish together on their own. You know FN already sold civilian AR-15's before the collector series right? I see no mention from the OP that his rifle is one of those collector series M4 clones. Shitty triggers happen in all rifles OP, including government rifles. You got me. |
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For the life of me, why does anyone WANT a hammer forged barrel? They are no where near as good as a button rifled or cut rifled barrel. Not even close. They are the cheapest barrels to produce. As far as triggers are concerned, all standard issue triggers suck. It's the nature of the beast, the U.S. government doesn't want any accidents involving light triggers in use by their soldiers or their police. Upgrade, everyone else takes this as a matter of course. I have more rifles than I'll ever need, I still want a FN15 Collectors Series just because. Bullshit. It's a great way to ensure consistency from barrel to barrel. And you don't hear reports of FN's barrels lacking accuracy. I keep reading here it's the easiest cheapest way to produce a barrel. Yet FN claims they can produce button rifled barrels much faster and cheaper. I realize they make the things but I'll take their word over the often regurgitated internet bullshit from people with no firsthand knowledge. |
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Quoted: For the life of me, why does anyone WANT a hammer forged barrel? They are no where near as good as a button rifled or cut rifled barrel. Not even close. They are the cheapest barrels to produce. As far as triggers are concerned, all standard issue triggers suck. It's the nature of the beast, the U.S. government doesn't want any accidents involving light triggers in use by their soldiers or their police. Upgrade, everyone else takes this as a matter of course. I have more rifles than I'll ever need, I still want a FN15 Collectors Series just because. |
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Maybe you should study this issue further. Quoted:
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For the life of me, why does anyone WANT a hammer forged barrel? They are no where near as good as a button rifled or cut rifled barrel. Not even close. They are the cheapest barrels to produce. As far as triggers are concerned, all standard issue triggers suck. It's the nature of the beast, the U.S. government doesn't want any accidents involving light triggers in use by their soldiers or their police. Upgrade, everyone else takes this as a matter of course. I have more rifles than I'll ever need, I still want a FN15 Collectors Series just because. That's basically what I typed out, but said fuck it and hit the go back button. 
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| Well, I decided to go with a Wilson TTU trigger. All the reviews are great on it. Funny thing about the barrels. I have two TAVOR's and they make a big deal out of them being both cold hammer forged and chrome lines. And yes, When you spend over $1,000 for an AR you really do expect a much better trigger than one that feels like the receiver if full of sand. Cleaned it and lubed the hell out of it with no improvement at all. |
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Well, I decided to go with a Wilson TTU trigger. All the reviews are great on it. Funny thing about the barrels. I have two TAVOR's and they make a big deal out of them being both cold hammer forged and chrome lines. And yes, When you spend over $1,000 for an AR you really do expect a much better trigger than one that feels like the receiver if full of sand. Cleaned it and lubed the hell out of it with no improvement at all. Your problem was spending over $1000 for an FN when you could get a 6920 for $799 |
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Your problem was spending over $1000 for an FN when you could get a 6920 for $799 Quoted:
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Well, I decided to go with a Wilson TTU trigger. All the reviews are great on it. Funny thing about the barrels. I have two TAVOR's and they make a big deal out of them being both cold hammer forged and chrome lines. And yes, When you spend over $1,000 for an AR you really do expect a much better trigger than one that feels like the receiver if full of sand. Cleaned it and lubed the hell out of it with no improvement at all. Your problem was spending over $1000 for an FN when you could get a 6920 for $799 Please show me an in stock $800 6920. |
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Bought an FN FN15 today. Sealed in a plastic bag because they don't want you to feel the shitty trigger. Gun looks and feels great but the trigger really sucks. It is truly the worst trigger I have ever felt in an AR15 in my entire life. Also according to their website it is NOT a hammer forged barrel. Could have bought a Colt 6920 for the same price. its a milspec trigger you are spoiled 
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For the life of me, why does anyone WANT a hammer forged barrel? They are no where near as good as a button rifled or cut rifled barrel. Not even close. They are the cheapest barrels to produce. As far as triggers are concerned, all standard issue triggers suck. It's the nature of the beast, the U.S. government doesn't want any accidents involving light triggers in use by their soldiers or their police. Upgrade, everyone else takes this as a matter of course. I have more rifles than I'll ever need, I still want a FN15 Collectors Series just because. |
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Bought an FN FN15 today. Sweet! Sealed in a plastic bag Awesome, no one messed with it. the trigger really sucks How is it compared to the milspec weapon you were issued, was the weapon you were issued new, or was it broken in with thousands of rounds? Gun looks and feels great Good to know. according to their website it is NOT a hammer forged barrel. It probably isn't supposed to be. Could have bought a Colt 6920 for the same price. Quite possibly yes, but evidently you were looking for a FN. Just curious about the above, but congratulations on your new weapon!! |
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I stand corrected on the CHF barrel. Talked with FN CS and they confirmed all FN AR's have CHF C/L barrels. Same as military. CHF is all they use in all of their guns.Tried the brake clean flush. Did not help. I'll just replace the trigger with a Geiselle. Everything else about the gun is standard and fit and finish is good. Wait, it can't have a good fit and finish. You already said it was a piece of shit. You should just throw it away. The reality is that FN makes quality products and some of the best in the world. milspec triggers aren't match-grade competition triggers. |
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Quoted: You probably could have skipped the lapping and gotten 95% of that improvement. Particularly lubing the pins is very useful. I'll also point out that Geissele provides a tiny packet of grease with their triggers for lubing the pin bores on the hammer and trigger, and for lubing the sear surfaces. Quoted: Quoted: I took a total crap trigger I was putting in a lower for my brother the other day. Cleaned it well. Lapped the surfaces with some 1500 grit I had laying around. then lubed pins all up with Speed-X lube from corrosion-X, greased the sears and worked it in by hand for a couple minites. Feels as good or better than the QMS trigger I put in my pistol AR. You probably could have skipped the lapping and gotten 95% of that improvement. Particularly lubing the pins is very useful. I'll also point out that Geissele provides a tiny packet of grease with their triggers for lubing the pin bores on the hammer and trigger, and for lubing the sear surfaces. |
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If you are willing to spend a $1k on an AR then just build one your self with that money and know your getting the quality parts you choose.
You literally paid for a 600$ rifle and $400 for the fackin FNH branding on it. <-- stupider as fuk 
Since this is your first post, I will give you a break and not an official Warning. This is a Technical Forum and posts such as yours are not allowed. Read the COC and abide by it in the future, please. Old_Painless |
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For the life of me, why does anyone WANT a hammer forged barrel? They are no where near as good as a button rifled or cut rifled barrel. Not even close. They are the cheapest barrels to produce. As far as triggers are concerned, all standard issue triggers suck. It's the nature of the beast, the U.S. government doesn't want any accidents involving light triggers in use by their soldiers or their police. Upgrade, everyone else takes this as a matter of course. I have more rifles than I'll ever need, I still want a FN15 Collectors Series just because. Sako and HK haven't noticed this accuracy problem you're talking about. |
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Bought an FN FN15 today. Sealed in a plastic bag because they don't want you to feel the shitty trigger. Gun looks and feels great but the trigger really sucks. It is truly the worst trigger I have ever felt in an AR15 in my entire life. Also according to their website it is NOT a hammer forged barrel. Could have bought a Colt 6920 for the same price. You bought a rifle billed by FN as a clone of military spec rifles. Mil spec rifles feature dog shit triggers and non-CHF barrels. I'm not sure what you're bitching about when you got exactly what was advertised. |
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If you are willing to spend a $1k on an AR then just build one your self with that money and know your getting the quality parts you choose. You literally paid for a 600$ rifle and $400 for the fackin FNH branding on it. <-- stupider as fuk What brand do you like? Welcome back, btw. |
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For the life of me, why does anyone WANT a hammer forged barrel? They are no where near as good as a button rifled or cut rifled barrel. Not even close. They are the cheapest barrels to produce. As far as triggers are concerned, all standard issue triggers suck. It's the nature of the beast, the U.S. government doesn't want any accidents involving light triggers in use by their soldiers or their police. Upgrade, everyone else takes this as a matter of course. I have more rifles than I'll ever need, I still want a FN15 Collectors Series just because. Quoted for truth about hammer forging a barrel. No measurable benefit in our rifles unless your idea of shooting is constant mag dumps. I'd much rather have a good button rifled stainless barrel (Lilja) or cut rifle barrel (Kreiger) if I were seeking a premium barrel. If seeking an improved more standard barrel, a nitride treated 4150 CMV that was button rifled would be better than chasing cold hammer forging. Regardless, OP's rifle is not a POS, and his trigger woes were easily fixed with an aftermarket trigger. |
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Quoted for truth about hammer forging a barrel. No measurable benefit in our rifles unless your idea of shooting is constant mag dumps. I'd much rather have a good button rifled stainless barrel (Lilja) or cut rifle barrel (Kreiger) if I were seeking a premium barrel. If seeking an improved more standard barrel, a nitride treated 4150 CMV that was button rifled would be better than chasing cold hammer forging. Regardless, OP's rifle is not a POS, and his trigger woes were easily fixed with an aftermarket trigger. Quoted:
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For the life of me, why does anyone WANT a hammer forged barrel? They are no where near as good as a button rifled or cut rifled barrel. Not even close. They are the cheapest barrels to produce. As far as triggers are concerned, all standard issue triggers suck. It's the nature of the beast, the U.S. government doesn't want any accidents involving light triggers in use by their soldiers or their police. Upgrade, everyone else takes this as a matter of course. I have more rifles than I'll ever need, I still want a FN15 Collectors Series just because. Quoted for truth about hammer forging a barrel. No measurable benefit in our rifles unless your idea of shooting is constant mag dumps. I'd much rather have a good button rifled stainless barrel (Lilja) or cut rifle barrel (Kreiger) if I were seeking a premium barrel. If seeking an improved more standard barrel, a nitride treated 4150 CMV that was button rifled would be better than chasing cold hammer forging. Regardless, OP's rifle is not a POS, and his trigger woes were easily fixed with an aftermarket trigger. What do you mean nowhere near as good? Some of the most accurate rifles in the world use CHF barrels. Or are you just repeating the same bullshit spewed by others here that don't know what they are talking about. |
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