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Posted: 4/10/2015 6:57:05 AM EDT
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Thanks.............love using iron sights and was hoping a solution would be coming soon !! looking forward to mounting details.
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Posted: 4/10/2015 7:04:45 AM EDT
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I have no knowledge of this but it sure looks cool.
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NY, USA
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Posted: 4/10/2015 9:33:52 AM EDT
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Quote HistoryOriginally Posted By Ares_Defense:
We've been getting steady requests for gas piston compatibility with the ARES SCR, so we're bringing a kit to market that will fall within our patented GXR Gas Piston Retrofit Kit product line and that will readily install in about 10 minutes with no gunsmithing required. The GXR kit is carbine length and is compatible with many handguards including Daniel Defense Gas Piston Omega Rail, Midwest Industries Drop In carbine handguard, Magpul MOE, Diamondhead rail systems, Bravo Company Keymod to name a few. These will be going on sale within the next 2 weeks. In the meantime, here's a sneak peek from part of an endurance test of the ARES SCR with an ARES Defense GXR gas piston retrofit kit installed for the piston fans in the crowd. Enjoy! 
https://youtu.be/XjCrD6mjYac This is awesome news. Any chance that you'll make a mid length gxr? If not, will your piston systems bolt carrier work with the adams arms low profile kit? You gotta throw a bone to those of us behind enemy lines! Custer |
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DC, USA
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Posted: 4/10/2015 4:55:23 PM EDT
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Quote HistoryOriginally Posted By MatthewVanitas:
Can't quite figure out what mid-century rifle this vaguely reminds me of... MAS 49? There's that whole family of trad-stocked semi-auto rifles coming from like 1940 up until 1960 or so: M1 Garand and M14, FN49, Swedish Ag/m42 Ljungman, French MAS 49, Egyptian Hakim, Czech VZ52, Soviet SVT40, SKS, German G43. I think it's the MAS that the wood-stock SCR reminds me of because of the 2-piece stock. Quote HistoryOriginally Posted By MatthewVanitas:
Originally Posted By Ares_Defense:
No, we haven't connected on the Gunstruction app yet, but it's a great idea! In the meantime and for the MRP fans in the bunch, here's a Lewis Machine (LMT) MRP upper fitted to an ARES SCR lower with a wooden stock, bipod and Leupold optic. 
Can't quite figure out what mid-century rifle this vaguely reminds me of... MAS 49? There's that whole family of trad-stocked semi-auto rifles coming from like 1940 up until 1960 or so: M1 Garand and M14, FN49, Swedish Ag/m42 Ljungman, French MAS 49, Egyptian Hakim, Czech VZ52, Soviet SVT40, SKS, German G43. I think it's the MAS that the wood-stock SCR reminds me of because of the 2-piece stock. Someone on another forum pointed out that with the wooden stock and right handguard, it looks a lot like a Shpagin (PPSh-41): 
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Posted: 4/10/2015 7:37:55 PM EDT
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This thread has me intrigued. I just ordered a lower. The cheapest I found so far is US Gun Source for $470 with free shipping.
http://www.usgunsource.com/firearms-long-guns/39366-ares-defense-systems-scr-semi-automatic-lower-receiver-assembly-556nato-223.html?cmdSubmit=Find&cmdSubmit_y=0&cmdSubmit_x=0&keywords=scr |
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DC, USA
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Posted: 4/10/2015 10:36:55 PM EDT
[Last Edit: MatthewVanitas]
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Quote HistoryOriginally Posted By Medicfrost:
This thread has me intrigued. I just ordered a lower. The cheapest I found so far is US Gun Source for $470 with free shipping. What kind of build are you fixing to do on yours? Once the purposed iron sights come out, I'm hoping to see someone do a pseudo-"retro" build with a wooden stock. @Ares, is the tube for the recoil spur that goes down into the stock an available part from Ares? If someone has a wooden 870 stock, they'd just drill a hole at the right angle and diameter, drop the tube into it, and then the stock would properly interface with the BCG? |
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FL, USA
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Posted: 4/10/2015 11:03:40 PM EDT
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Quote HistoryOriginally Posted By -JC-:
http://i492.photobucket.com/albums/rr281/JCUSA/ArfcomTradeFodder/20150305_165309_zpsl2gafky5.jpg Aaaaand now I need one. |
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Posted: 4/10/2015 11:25:53 PM EDT
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I definitely see one of these finding it's way into my collection as soon as my other projects are done.
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Posted: 4/11/2015 1:51:14 AM EDT
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Quote HistoryOriginally Posted By MatthewVanitas:
What kind of build are you fixing to do on yours? Quote HistoryOriginally Posted By MatthewVanitas:
Originally Posted By Medicfrost:
This thread has me intrigued. I just ordered a lower. The cheapest I found so far is US Gun Source for $470 with free shipping. What kind of build are you fixing to do on yours? You'll see as soon as it's done. 
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FL, USA
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Posted: 4/12/2015 12:22:50 PM EDT
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Here's what the optional iron sights look like for the ARES SCR. They're billet machined aluminum with steel hardware where expected and are installed in minutes with no gunsmithing required. Rear sight is attached by a single screw and is windage adjustable. Front sight clamps arount the low profile gas block, is elevation adjustable and incorporates a front sling swivel. They sit approximately 3/4" lower than standard AR sights for proper cheek weld and will co-witness with an Aimpoint T1 or H1 micro sight on factory low mount.
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Posted: 4/12/2015 1:40:38 PM EDT
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Quote HistoryOriginally Posted By Ares_Defense:
Here's what the optional iron sights look like for the ARES SCR. They're billet machined aluminum with steel hardware where expected and are installed in minutes with no gunsmithing required. Rear sight is attached by a single screw and is windage adjustable. Front sight clamps arount the low profile gas block, is elevation adjustable and incorporates a front sling swivel. They sit approximately 3/4" lower than standard AR sights for proper cheek weld and will co-witness with an Aimpoint T1 or H1 micro sight on factory low mount. http://i62.tinypic.com/se6aev.jpg So what gas block is the front sight compatible with, if one were to build an upper? |
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FL, USA
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Posted: 4/12/2015 2:15:27 PM EDT
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Quote HistoryOriginally Posted By RDTCU:
So what gas block is the front sight compatible with, if one were to build an upper? Quote HistoryOriginally Posted By RDTCU:
Originally Posted By Ares_Defense:
Here's what the optional iron sights look like for the ARES SCR. They're billet machined aluminum with steel hardware where expected and are installed in minutes with no gunsmithing required. Rear sight is attached by a single screw and is windage adjustable. Front sight clamps arount the low profile gas block, is elevation adjustable and incorporates a front sling swivel. They sit approximately 3/4" lower than standard AR sights for proper cheek weld and will co-witness with an Aimpoint T1 or H1 micro sight on factory low mount. http://i62.tinypic.com/se6aev.jpg So what gas block is the front sight compatible with, if one were to build an upper? ARES Defense low profile gas blocks. |
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Posted: 4/12/2015 2:24:48 PM EDT
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Quote HistoryOriginally Posted By Ares_Defense:
ARES Defense low profile gas blocks. Quote HistoryOriginally Posted By Ares_Defense:
Originally Posted By RDTCU:
Originally Posted By Ares_Defense:
Here's what the optional iron sights look like for the ARES SCR. They're billet machined aluminum with steel hardware where expected and are installed in minutes with no gunsmithing required. Rear sight is attached by a single screw and is windage adjustable. Front sight clamps arount the low profile gas block, is elevation adjustable and incorporates a front sling swivel. They sit approximately 3/4" lower than standard AR sights for proper cheek weld and will co-witness with an Aimpoint T1 or H1 micro sight on factory low mount. http://i62.tinypic.com/se6aev.jpg So what gas block is the front sight compatible with, if one were to build an upper? ARES Defense low profile gas blocks. In the future will there be a front sight that is capable of mounting to a picatinny rail for those of us who prefer longer handguards? |
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Posted: 4/12/2015 2:29:05 PM EDT
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Quote HistoryOriginally Posted By TwoNin9r: Aaaaand now I need one. Quote HistoryOriginally Posted By TwoNin9r: Originally Posted By -JC-: http://i492.photobucket.com/albums/rr281/JCUSA/ArfcomTradeFodder/20150305_165309_zpsl2gafky5.jpg Aaaaand now I need one.  Though I might change the muzzle device. With the SCR, the mini-14 is now pointless. Any accuracy reports JC? Round count? Nice rifle though. In fact that applies to every rifle posted in this thread so far. |
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Posted: 4/12/2015 2:29:28 PM EDT
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Quote HistoryOriginally Posted By gadgetguy1288:
In the future will there be a front sight that is capable of mounting to a picatinny rail for those of us who prefer longer handguards? That's kinda what I was wondering, maybe something like the USA version of the CZ Scorpion Evo sights: Fully adjustable, super low, 4 apertures. 
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DC, USA
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Posted: 4/12/2015 6:00:50 PM EDT
[Last Edit: MatthewVanitas]
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Quote HistoryOriginally Posted By RDTCU:
That's kinda what I was wondering, maybe something like the USA version of the CZ Scorpion Evo sights: Fully adjustable, super low, 4 apertures. http://cz-usa.com/hammer/wp-content/uploads/2014/11/CZ14_Scorpion_EVO3_S1-L-e1416840329704.png Quote HistoryOriginally Posted By RDTCU:
Originally Posted By gadgetguy1288:
In the future will there be a front sight that is capable of mounting to a picatinny rail for those of us who prefer longer handguards? That's kinda what I was wondering, maybe something like the USA version of the CZ Scorpion Evo sights: Fully adjustable, super low, 4 apertures. http://cz-usa.com/hammer/wp-content/uploads/2014/11/CZ14_Scorpion_EVO3_S1-L-e1416840329704.png There's a guy on Calguns, chunkylover who's written about his build with these sights. Overall he seems really pleased, but (though I have not tried them) my gut is that the front seems a big broad for long-distance shooting, though probably a really good CQB option: http://www.calguns.net/calgunforum/showthread.php?t=1048176 
In the future will there be a front sight that is capable of mounting to a picatinny rail for those of us who prefer longer handguards? Wondering this too. Clearly, you can't please every single niche with every product, but a front sight that mounts onto the same height of rail as the rear sight would be a worthwhile option if your company wanted to design such a front. Hopefully wouldn't be too hard, same piece but cut down and affixed to a standard picatinny mount. |
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FL, USA
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Posted: 4/12/2015 6:10:06 PM EDT
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Quote HistoryOriginally Posted By MatthewVanitas:
There's a guy on Calguns, chunkylover who's written about his build with these sights. Overall he seems really pleased, but (though I have not tried them) my gut is that the front seems a big broad for long-distance shooting, though probably a really good CQB option: http://www.calguns.net/calgunforum/showthread.php?t=1048176 http://i60.tinypic.com/6nvwk4.jpg Wondering this too. Clearly, you can't please every single niche with every product, but a front sight that mounts onto the same height of rail as the rear sight would be a worthwhile option if your company wanted to design such a front. Hopefully wouldn't be too hard, same piece but cut down and affixed to a standard picatinny mount. Quote HistoryOriginally Posted By MatthewVanitas:
Originally Posted By RDTCU:
Originally Posted By gadgetguy1288:
In the future will there be a front sight that is capable of mounting to a picatinny rail for those of us who prefer longer handguards? That's kinda what I was wondering, maybe something like the USA version of the CZ Scorpion Evo sights: Fully adjustable, super low, 4 apertures. http://cz-usa.com/hammer/wp-content/uploads/2014/11/CZ14_Scorpion_EVO3_S1-L-e1416840329704.png There's a guy on Calguns, chunkylover who's written about his build with these sights. Overall he seems really pleased, but (though I have not tried them) my gut is that the front seems a big broad for long-distance shooting, though probably a really good CQB option: http://www.calguns.net/calgunforum/showthread.php?t=1048176 http://i60.tinypic.com/6nvwk4.jpg In the future will there be a front sight that is capable of mounting to a picatinny rail for those of us who prefer longer handguards? Wondering this too. Clearly, you can't please every single niche with every product, but a front sight that mounts onto the same height of rail as the rear sight would be a worthwhile option if your company wanted to design such a front. Hopefully wouldn't be too hard, same piece but cut down and affixed to a standard picatinny mount. We are working up a sight set for rail mounting similar to the set shown in this picture, but they're still about a month or so out. The rear is like the set that we posted, but the front mounts to a rail and is much smaller. We'll keep everyone posted when they're ready for release. Thanks. |
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CA, USA
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Posted: 4/12/2015 9:35:57 PM EDT
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Is there a projected price for either set of sights?
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Posted: 4/12/2015 10:09:53 PM EDT
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Nice stuff!
If I ever have to go back to CA on PCS orders I will probably purchase one of these and a crap ton of 10 rounders. |
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Posted: 4/13/2015 12:20:33 AM EDT
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Quote HistoryOriginally Posted By MatthewVanitas:
There's a guy on Calguns, chunkylover who's written about his build with these sights. Overall he seems really pleased, but (though I have not tried them) my gut is that the front seems a big broad for long-distance shooting, though probably a really good CQB option: http://www.calguns.net/calgunforum/showthread.php?t=1048176 http://i60.tinypic.com/6nvwk4.jpg Wondering this too. Clearly, you can't please every single niche with every product, but a front sight that mounts onto the same height of rail as the rear sight would be a worthwhile option if your company wanted to design such a front. Hopefully wouldn't be too hard, same piece but cut down and affixed to a standard picatinny mount. Quote HistoryOriginally Posted By MatthewVanitas:
Originally Posted By RDTCU:
Originally Posted By gadgetguy1288:
In the future will there be a front sight that is capable of mounting to a picatinny rail for those of us who prefer longer handguards? That's kinda what I was wondering, maybe something like the USA version of the CZ Scorpion Evo sights: Fully adjustable, super low, 4 apertures. http://cz-usa.com/hammer/wp-content/uploads/2014/11/CZ14_Scorpion_EVO3_S1-L-e1416840329704.png There's a guy on Calguns, chunkylover who's written about his build with these sights. Overall he seems really pleased, but (though I have not tried them) my gut is that the front seems a big broad for long-distance shooting, though probably a really good CQB option: http://www.calguns.net/calgunforum/showthread.php?t=1048176 http://i60.tinypic.com/6nvwk4.jpg In the future will there be a front sight that is capable of mounting to a picatinny rail for those of us who prefer longer handguards? Wondering this too. Clearly, you can't please every single niche with every product, but a front sight that mounts onto the same height of rail as the rear sight would be a worthwhile option if your company wanted to design such a front. Hopefully wouldn't be too hard, same piece but cut down and affixed to a standard picatinny mount. Those are the older, readily available LPA sights from the euro Evos, the ones that come on the S1s are much improved with multiple apertures and a post-style front instead of a shotgun bead. |
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MA, USA
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Posted: 4/13/2015 1:32:54 AM EDT
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Figure I will ask in this thread as well
Is it possible to attach a PWS long stroke piston upper to Ares SCR lower? |
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Posted: 4/13/2015 7:50:28 AM EDT
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Quote HistoryOriginally Posted By durask:
Figure I will ask in this thread as well Is it possible to attach a PWS long stroke piston upper to Ares SCR lower? Attach, yes, but you don't get the carrier stability that I personally would want in a piston upper with the shorter carrier. It may not be as much of an issue with the softer acting PWS vs a short stroke piston. |
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NY, USA
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Posted: 4/14/2015 5:24:34 PM EDT
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A nice set of irons, with a front sight that gets mounted on a rail would be real nice. Im looking forward to seeing that.
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FL, USA
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Posted: 4/14/2015 6:42:51 PM EDT
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Quote HistoryOriginally Posted By Rontalvos:
Is there a projected price for either set of sights? Yes, price for the sight set as pictured is $139.95. (Gun and other accessories not included of course) |
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DC, USA
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Posted: 4/14/2015 10:57:35 PM EDT
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Quote HistoryOriginally Posted By Ares_Defense:
Yes, price for the sight set as pictured is $139.95. (Gun and other accessories not included of course) Quote HistoryOriginally Posted By Ares_Defense:
Originally Posted By Rontalvos:
Is there a projected price for either set of sights? Yes, price for the sight set as pictured is $139.95. (Gun and other accessories not included of course) While I understand promptness in getting on the market is important, I did note in the December 2014 review by TFB that the three main criticisms were: a) no BHO, b) no iron sight option, c) 10lb trigger. I'm glad to see that all three of those got tackled in the first year of production. Though my Monday Morning Quarterback still says letting them out the door with the 10lb trigger may have been ill-advised, since it's the single most common complaint I've seen across various forums, with a number of folks calling it a dealbreaker. Sure, it's addressed now, but winning back folks with an initial negative impression is harder than impressing folks in the first place. In any case, the TFB review also had a neat pic I hadn't seen shared on Arf: http://www.thefirearmblog.com/blog/2014/12/18/gun-review-ares-defense-scr-carbine/ 
Leopold 1-5 scope in a cantilever mount.Would that upper be an 18" barrel with a rifle-length gas, or some sort of Dissipator-type? |
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USA
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Posted: 4/15/2015 6:50:43 AM EDT
[Last Edit: roland65]
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RDTCU do you know where to get these new style Scorpion sights? I wonder how well the evo sights w/ bead (S1) work for 100 yd shooting on SCR ?
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USA
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Posted: 4/15/2015 7:12:42 AM EDT
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ARES can you show a close up of the sights individually and what the sight pic is when shooting ?
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Posted: 4/15/2015 7:17:07 AM EDT
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Quote HistoryOriginally Posted By roland65:
RDTCU do you know where to get these new style Scorpion sights? I wonder how well the evo sights w/ bead (S1) work for 100 yd shooting on SCR ? http://shop.cz-usa.com/ProductDetail/18002_Scorpion-Evo-3-S1-Lpa-Adj-Sights |
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Posted: 4/15/2015 7:43:29 AM EDT
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Quote HistoryOriginally Posted By JoshAston:
http://shop.cz-usa.com/ProductDetail/18002_Scorpion-Evo-3-S1-Lpa-Adj-Sights Quote HistoryOriginally Posted By JoshAston:
Originally Posted By roland65:
RDTCU do you know where to get these new style Scorpion sights? I wonder how well the evo sights w/ bead (S1) work for 100 yd shooting on SCR ? http://shop.cz-usa.com/ProductDetail/18002_Scorpion-Evo-3-S1-Lpa-Adj-Sights Nope, that's the old LPA sights again. The new ones were listed for a short while, i don't see them now, you might ask in the big Scorpion thread |
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Posted: 4/15/2015 6:03:35 PM EDT
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Quote HistoryOriginally Posted By MatthewVanitas:
While I understand promptness in getting on the market is important, I did note in the December 2014 review by TFB that the three main criticisms were: a) no BHO, b) no iron sight option, c) 10lb trigger. I'm glad to see that all three of those got tackled in the first year of production. Though my Monday Morning Quarterback still says letting them out the door with the 10lb trigger may have been ill-advised, since it's the single most common complaint I've seen across various forums, with a number of folks calling it a dealbreaker. Sure, it's addressed now, but winning back folks with an initial negative impression is harder than impressing folks in the first place. In any case, the TFB review also had a neat pic I hadn't seen shared on Arf: http://www.thefirearmblog.com/blog/2014/12/18/gun-review-ares-defense-scr-carbine/ http://i60.tinypic.com/2gwesrp.jpg Leopold 1-5 scope in a cantilever mount.Would that upper be an 18" barrel with a rifle-length gas, or some sort of Dissipator-type? Quote HistoryOriginally Posted By MatthewVanitas:
Originally Posted By Ares_Defense:
Originally Posted By Rontalvos:
Is there a projected price for either set of sights? Yes, price for the sight set as pictured is $139.95. (Gun and other accessories not included of course) While I understand promptness in getting on the market is important, I did note in the December 2014 review by TFB that the three main criticisms were: a) no BHO, b) no iron sight option, c) 10lb trigger. I'm glad to see that all three of those got tackled in the first year of production. Though my Monday Morning Quarterback still says letting them out the door with the 10lb trigger may have been ill-advised, since it's the single most common complaint I've seen across various forums, with a number of folks calling it a dealbreaker. Sure, it's addressed now, but winning back folks with an initial negative impression is harder than impressing folks in the first place. In any case, the TFB review also had a neat pic I hadn't seen shared on Arf: http://www.thefirearmblog.com/blog/2014/12/18/gun-review-ares-defense-scr-carbine/ http://i60.tinypic.com/2gwesrp.jpg Leopold 1-5 scope in a cantilever mount.Would that upper be an 18" barrel with a rifle-length gas, or some sort of Dissipator-type? The pics from that review look like they were taken at our local range here in LA, Honey Island Swamp. |
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DC, USA
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Posted: 4/16/2015 9:08:14 PM EDT
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Neat preview snap from the Ares video of their piston retrofit:
Though I too would be curious about the PWS Long Piston design, since that appeals to me more than the shorts. Though in fairness the shorts hold the majority of the market. |
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ID, USA
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Posted: 4/17/2015 12:28:28 AM EDT
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Quote HistoryOriginally Posted By MatthewVanitas:
Another Ares question: is there a reason that the magwell can't be (more) flared? That's one criticism I've seen in a few reviews. Not a game-ruiner for me at all, but given a choice I'd certainly prefer a slight magwell flare rather than none, to help funnel the mag up to towards the chamber. http://i59.tinypic.com/33ah1na.jpg Hate to be bitchy but why not use a mag button fence? Seems like the mag release is just waiting to be bumped and dumped? |
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DC, USA
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Posted: 4/17/2015 11:59:17 AM EDT
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Quote HistoryOriginally Posted By openbolt:
Hate to be bitchy but why not use a mag button fence? Seems like the mag release is just waiting to be bumped and dumped? ? Oh, I see what you mean: 
There aren't the raised ridges on two sides of the button like there are on the current standard AR-15 lower. The Ares does more resemble the old pre-A2/A1 "slabside" lowers that way. 
Curious to hear the reason for that design choice, unless it's just for simplicity's sake on a "sporting" rifle. It does make it look a little more Retro though. Still want to see an SCR with triangle handguards. |
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Posted: 4/17/2015 12:18:36 PM EDT
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Quote HistoryOriginally Posted By MatthewVanitas:
? Oh, I see what you mean: http://i60.tinypic.com/34y8wia.jpg There aren't the raised ridges on two sides of the button like there are on the current standard AR-15 lower. The Ares does more resemble the old pre-A2/A1 "slabside" lowers that way. http://i62.tinypic.com/ru16hh.jpg Curious to hear the reason for that design choice, unless it's just for simplicity's sake on a "sporting" rifle. It does make it look a little more Retro though. Still want to see an SCR with triangle handguards. Quote HistoryOriginally Posted By MatthewVanitas:
Originally Posted By openbolt:
Hate to be bitchy but why not use a mag button fence? Seems like the mag release is just waiting to be bumped and dumped? ? Oh, I see what you mean: http://i60.tinypic.com/34y8wia.jpg There aren't the raised ridges on two sides of the button like there are on the current standard AR-15 lower. The Ares does more resemble the old pre-A2/A1 "slabside" lowers that way. http://i62.tinypic.com/ru16hh.jpg Curious to hear the reason for that design choice, unless it's just for simplicity's sake on a "sporting" rifle. It does make it look a little more Retro though. Still want to see an SCR with triangle handguards. Huh, I never noticed that. When I get around to building one, I was thinking one of the Odin oversized button/levers. Some kind of guard would be important though. Might just see if I can make a mold from a regular lower and cast one in dyed JB weld or something to stick on. 
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Posted: 4/17/2015 12:26:39 PM EDT
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You're not going to hit the button with a normal firing grip.
If I was concerned with accidentally pressing it, I would thin up the button and shorten the mag release stud so that it protrudes less. I would probably then throw on a Norgon ambi mag release to hit with the support hand thumb when pulling the mag out. If I'm trying to cut tenths out of my mag changes, i'm going to be shooting something besides an Aeres lower. I just want it to be comfortable and smooth. |
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FL, USA
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Posted: 4/17/2015 4:45:40 PM EDT
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Quote HistoryOriginally Posted By MatthewVanitas:
? Oh, I see what you mean: http://i60.tinypic.com/34y8wia.jpg There aren't the raised ridges on two sides of the button like there are on the current standard AR-15 lower. The Ares does more resemble the old pre-A2/A1 "slabside" lowers that way. http://i62.tinypic.com/ru16hh.jpg Curious to hear the reason for that design choice, unless it's just for simplicity's sake on a "sporting" rifle. It does make it look a little more Retro though. Still want to see an SCR with triangle handguards. Quote HistoryOriginally Posted By MatthewVanitas:
Originally Posted By openbolt:
Hate to be bitchy but why not use a mag button fence? Seems like the mag release is just waiting to be bumped and dumped? ? Oh, I see what you mean: http://i60.tinypic.com/34y8wia.jpg There aren't the raised ridges on two sides of the button like there are on the current standard AR-15 lower. The Ares does more resemble the old pre-A2/A1 "slabside" lowers that way. http://i62.tinypic.com/ru16hh.jpg Curious to hear the reason for that design choice, unless it's just for simplicity's sake on a "sporting" rifle. It does make it look a little more Retro though. Still want to see an SCR with triangle handguards. Purely aesthetics, the older guns just look so much cleaner without the fences, bumps, ridges and protrusions. Add to that the point that most of the ambidextrous mag releases that everyone's bolting onto their rifles don't have a fence around them either and it didn't seem like too much of a concern. But if there's enough of a demand for them I'm sure that we can come up with an option for those who feel that it's critical. Thanks for the feedback!
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Posted: 4/17/2015 7:42:51 PM EDT
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Looks better without the fence. Thinking about getting one of these from gander mountain
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Posted: 4/18/2015 8:00:19 AM EDT
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CA, USA
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Posted: 4/19/2015 12:57:25 AM EDT
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Quote HistoryOriginally Posted By coldblue:
Something different I did with an upper I built for my SCR: <a href="http://s1357.photobucket.com/user/D_A_Lutz/media/eyelet%20assy_zps7hqaot9f.jpg.html" target="_blank">http://i1357.photobucket.com/albums/q759/D_A_Lutz/eyelet%20assy_zps7hqaot9f.jpg</a> Seemed like a good use for the non-functional forward assist and a single point sling I had from the "old days." I didn't know that forward assist sling attachments existed, that's really cool. One question, are you left handed? |
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Posted: 4/19/2015 8:31:33 AM EDT
[#40]
Yes, I am a lefty, so this works great for me.
Since when I installed the KAC 3.1 forend, I had the ease-of-option of replacing the original SCR upper (it comes without a case deflector and forward assist feature) with a standard AR upper receiver primarily to gain the integral case deflector. The FA option evolved later. The "eyelet" is another KAC product that has been around for some time, but has seen little exposure. I illustrate the HK style hook for simplicity sake, however I prefer a robust para-cord connection with the sling which is kind of a hold-over from Viet-Nam practice to avoid metal to metal contact, noise, etc. |
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DC, USA
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Posted: 4/20/2015 7:38:27 PM EDT
[#41]
TTAG just came out with a brand-new review of the SCR: http://www.thetruthaboutguns.com/2015/04/foghorn/gun-review-ares-defense-scr/
Overall he liked it, with objections as to:
Kind of an interesting read for perspective, though it doesn't really say much others haven't extensively discussed, and he seems to miss the point on a few issues. Photo is kinda goofy though, scope is way up there. Is it just that impossible to mount scopes much lower with readily-available parts, or is everyone just adamantly refusing to recognize that "AR-15" is not the default mounting height for the rest of the world? 
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TX, USA
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Posted: 4/20/2015 11:13:06 PM EDT
[#42]
Quote HistorySorry I had to cut out most of your message because of a character limit for new accoutns.. I have a new production lower-only. The trigger weight is spot on 5.0 lbs. (It didn't look like he actually put a scale on it) There is creep though. It's not amazing. If I had not tried out some Geissele triggers in the past I would probably think it is ok. My stock is not flimsy. I have the monte carlo version. Fitting the recoil system is more work than an AR, but it is negligible. The missing bolt hold open sucks for sure. I paid $46 shipped for it. Should have been free. The AR-15 scope height IS too high by about 3/4", and that is WITH the monte carlo stock, not the 'sporter' stock. I figured this out by mounting a TRS-25 on the flat top rail and it is just about perfect height. The center of the TRS-25 is approx 3/4" lower than the center of my scope mounted in a Nikon M-223 one piece mount (standard AR kit). I am looking into a Mattews or Southwest Precision adjustable cheek rest in order to fix this. What they DON'T mention in the review is that the recoil 'pad' is milled aluminum. I have since fitted a 5/8" limbsaver to mine but haven't gotten to the range yet. |
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Posted: 4/21/2015 8:30:02 AM EDT
[#43]
http://www.thetruthaboutguns.com/2015/04/foghorn/gun-review-ares-defense-scr/
Funny, in some ways (his comments re: buttstock, trigger, pencil barrel, etc.) reads just like original gun magazine articles about "Colt's New AR-15" from 45 years ago. But his bottom line is that he is happy with his SCR, especially considering the price. I also note that he did not install a free floating barrel forend, like I did with mine, before accuracy/grouping tests. On the stock, I removed the buttplate to assess how much storage space was there and found that the stock side walls were pretty thick. I will post a photo later. So I am thinking (because the material seems thick enough) of adding a fixed sling loop there to simulate an M1 Carbine type side sling mount. Mine is from a recent production run and has a nice 5.5 lb. trigger pull. And on the reassembly, the key to aligning the carrier rat-tail is holding the rifle vertical, not engaging the front pivot pin until the takedown pin is set, and paying attention while the parts coming together. |
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Posted: 4/21/2015 8:56:54 AM EDT
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DC, USA
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Posted: 4/23/2015 1:14:35 AM EDT
[Last Edit: MatthewVanitas]
[#45]
Thanks man, that's pretty informative! I hadn't realized how large a presence that recoil channel is in the stock. Also is informative for folks pondering modifying a shotgun stock to fit an SCR.
I finally found something that had been on the tip of my tongue before when thinking about the SCR. Here's a sort of "spiritual forerunner" of the SCR: 
Worked up as a prototype by Winchester in 1957, when CONARC was just messing around with .22 centerfires.This of course is not an AR-like operating system; supposedly it borrows from the M1 Carbine and other designs that had been spun off of that. But direct impingement has been around since the experimental/early French 1901 Rossignol automatic rifle, and by the 40s. the French and the Swedes were using DI for regular issue weapons. Clearly the SCR isn't by any means "historical" but it's fun just to ponder the resemblance to past designs. There's a pretty cool manual for the old WLAR up at Forgotten Weapons: http://www.forgottenweapons.com/winchester-224-e2-manual/ |
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Posted: 4/23/2015 8:16:51 AM EDT
[#46]
I finished building mine last night. I'll take pictures after I get a couple small accessories for it.
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NH, USA
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Posted: 4/23/2015 10:43:32 AM EDT
[#47]
Quote HistoryOriginally Posted By MatthewVanitas:
Photo is kinda goofy though, scope is way up there. Is it just that impossible to mount scopes much lower with readily-available parts, or is everyone just adamantly refusing to recognize that "AR-15" is not the default mounting height for the rest of the world? http://i58.tinypic.com/ejhjlt.jpg Sigh - so much derp. He has the low rings and still uses a riser, with a conventional Monte Carlo stock, for that awesome chinweld. It's everything wrong with TTAG in one glaring error. I like the SCR, and would like it more rebuilt with a Gibbz side-charger. The conventional charging handle is a weak point now that it runs over the top of the hand. |
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Posted: 4/23/2015 10:49:25 AM EDT
[Last Edit: RDTCU]
[#48]
Quote HistoryOriginally Posted By setupar15:
I like the SCR, and would like it more rebuilt with a Gibbz side-charger. The conventional charging handle is a weak point now that it runs over the top of the hand. Gibbs (or similar), 6.8SPC, 1-4x scope was kinda my plan for a handy little deer/hog gun that doesn't scream "AR"... Of course I hunted all last season with a 8" suppressed .300blk AR... |
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DC, USA
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Posted: 4/24/2015 1:42:00 AM EDT
[#49]
Quote HistoryOriginally Posted By Medicfrost:
I finished building mine last night. I'll take pictures after I get a couple small accessories for it. Ooh, looking forward to seeing your build! Ran across another build pic that I somehow missed in my earlier searches online trying to see what folks are making out of these. This one was posted all the way back last year on ARF, looks like someone dropped a basic M4gery upper onto the SCR lower. I think this is the first such configuration I've seen on an SCR, despite how incredibly common it is on a standard AR (or was up until the last few years' changes in fashion): 
Though reading the thread, it appears this might be one of the old "Herring MSR" prototypes? http://www.ar15.com/forums/t_1_5/1612418_Ares_SCR___Sport_Configurable_Rifle_version_of_AR15.html |
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FL, USA
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Posted: 4/24/2015 4:02:32 AM EDT
[#50]
Quote HistoryOriginally Posted By MatthewVanitas:
Ooh, looking forward to seeing your build! Ran across another build pic that I somehow missed in my earlier searches online trying to see what folks are making out of these. This one was posted all the way back last year on ARF, looks like someone dropped a basic M4gery upper onto the SCR lower. I think this is the first such configuration I've seen on an SCR, despite how incredibly common it is on a standard AR (or was up until the last few years' changes in fashion): http://i36.tinypic.com/bi3wk9.jpg Though reading the thread, it appears this might be one of the old "Herring MSR" prototypes? http://www.ar15.com/forums/t_1_5/1612418_Ares_SCR___Sport_Configurable_Rifle_version_of_AR15.html Quote HistoryOriginally Posted By MatthewVanitas:
Originally Posted By Medicfrost:
I finished building mine last night. I'll take pictures after I get a couple small accessories for it. Ooh, looking forward to seeing your build! Ran across another build pic that I somehow missed in my earlier searches online trying to see what folks are making out of these. This one was posted all the way back last year on ARF, looks like someone dropped a basic M4gery upper onto the SCR lower. I think this is the first such configuration I've seen on an SCR, despite how incredibly common it is on a standard AR (or was up until the last few years' changes in fashion): http://i36.tinypic.com/bi3wk9.jpg Though reading the thread, it appears this might be one of the old "Herring MSR" prototypes? http://www.ar15.com/forums/t_1_5/1612418_Ares_SCR___Sport_Configurable_Rifle_version_of_AR15.html Yes, it is a configuration of the ARES SCR prototype, then called the Herring MSR (Modular Sporting Rifle). Here's the main configuration of the rifle and exactly as it sits in the vault today. 
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