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Posted: 2/6/2015 7:25:27 PM EDT
| Has anyone tried it? I am tossing this and a geissele SDC up to drop in my lower |
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Feels very similar to my old SSA-E if my memory is correct, but I think the Larue may have an ever so slightly crisper pull. Not as precise as a fully adjustable DMR, but its also a drop in unit.
The amount of overtravel is minimal, right where I have my DMR adjusted to; IE just a LITTLE which is what I prefer. Reset length feels on part with other 2 stage Gieselle options. |
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If it's a true drop in unit it might be worth looking at. Getting the Hammer installed on the SSA, SSA-E can be very frustrating. For all 4 days of the Shotshow, my youngest daughter (16) performed PredatOBR take-down demos (all the way down to yanking the MBT out). About end of day 2 she was mindlessly mowing right through it without looking. |
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If it's a true drop in unit it might be worth looking at. Getting the Hammer installed on the SSA, SSA-E can be very frustrating. You must not have used the slave pin that it comes with, it makes it very easy. How often are you all taking your triggers in and out? I never take them out, even when cleaning. |
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Has anyone tried it? I am tossing this and a geissele SDC up to drop in my lower Hanovi, " Trigger Prices " at Midway show our S7 Toolroom MBT trigger pricing to be about in the middle. I bet if you bought an MBT and then compared it to a mass-produced trigger, you'd have a much better idea than a guy that hasn't touched a LaRue trigger and likely never will. 
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Hanovi, " Trigger Prices " at Midway show our S7 Toolroom MBT trigger pricing to be about in the middle. I bet if you bought an MBT and then compared it to a mass-produced trigger, you'd have a much better idea than a guy that hasn't touched a LaRue trigger and likely never will.
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Has anyone tried it? I am tossing this and a geissele SDC up to drop in my lower Hanovi, " Trigger Prices " at Midway show our S7 Toolroom MBT trigger pricing to be about in the middle. I bet if you bought an MBT and then compared it to a mass-produced trigger, you'd have a much better idea than a guy that hasn't touched a LaRue trigger and likely never will.
This; just got to try out a friend's SSA-E, and it confirmed my original assessment. Its right between a SSA-E and a Hi-Speed, and from how it feels, it seems like its appropriately priced based on the quality of the trigger and the feel of the break. I also really like the way the face of the trigger feels on my finger. Its nice and wide, and still gives a "flat" feel. The physical trigger itself feels way better than say...a Wilson TTU. It is a great bridge between those two triggers feel wise and price wise; if there was a way to lighten the second stage break, I'd consider using one in place of my DMR trigger just for peace of mind that it won't "un-adjust" at a really bad time. Great option for those who want a really crisp break and not have to worry about adjustments slipping. |
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Quoted: Hanovi, " Trigger Prices " at Midway show our S7 Toolroom MBT trigger pricing to be about in the middle. I bet if you bought an MBT and then compared it to a mass-produced trigger, you'd have a much better idea than a guy that hasn't touched a LaRue trigger and likely never will. Quoted: Quoted: Has anyone tried it? I am tossing this and a geissele SDC up to drop in my lower Hanovi, " Trigger Prices " at Midway show our S7 Toolroom MBT trigger pricing to be about in the middle. I bet if you bought an MBT and then compared it to a mass-produced trigger, you'd have a much better idea than a guy that hasn't touched a LaRue trigger and likely never will. One little problem with that link - they don't have the LaRue trigger as one of their offerings.  |
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Barliman,
We got way too much work in 'em, so no room left for middle-manning. Our sales model is aerospace quality at blacksmith prices.
ETA - Shotshow 2015 MBT video " Trigger Testing - 101 " |
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If any of you guys are "Broken", then watch that Trigger Testing -101 video and retest your MBT-2S again - appreciate it.
ML |
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I own several Geissele's and the MBT Trigger, and I still can't give an honest opinion on what I'd rather have.... Not sure how people who have never felt one can Which Geissele's do you own? SSA-E SSA S3G I spend more on my SSA-E then the MBT The MBT seems crisper, but I find that the trigger doesn't move a micron in the 2nd stage until it breaks. Which I'm not sure if thats better or not until I can shoot for groups. I can feel when my SSA-E starts to brake and I can get it right on the edge, but sometimes I find myself missing it... which means the MBT could be better. But again untill I get a bunch of time shooting it, I can't give an honest opinion to tell others what to spend their $$$ on. |
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Quoted: SSA-E SSA S3G I spend more on my SSA-E then the MBT The MBT seems crisper, but I find that the trigger doesn't move a micron in the 2nd stage until it breaks. Which I'm not sure if thats better or not until I can shoot for groups. I can feel when my SSA-E starts to brake and I can get it right on the edge, but sometimes I find myself missing it... which means the MBT could be better. But again untill I get a bunch of time shooting it, I can't give an honest opinion to tell others what to spend their $$$ on. Quoted: Quoted: Quoted: I own several Geissele's and the MBT Trigger, and I still can't give an honest opinion on what I'd rather have.... Not sure how people who have never felt one can Which Geissele's do you own? SSA-E SSA S3G I spend more on my SSA-E then the MBT The MBT seems crisper, but I find that the trigger doesn't move a micron in the 2nd stage until it breaks. Which I'm not sure if thats better or not until I can shoot for groups. I can feel when my SSA-E starts to brake and I can get it right on the edge, but sometimes I find myself missing it... which means the MBT could be better. But again untill I get a bunch of time shooting it, I can't give an honest opinion to tell others what to spend their $$$ on. Ok, then absent one point I'll clarify in a second, is it fair to say say you'd rate the MBT ahead of the SSA, roughly tied with the SSA-E but not equal to the S3G? (Claification: I am interpreting this statement: "I spend more on my SSA-E then the MBT" to mean you spend more time using your SSA-Ethan your MBT. Please correct me if you meant something else.) The MBT sells for $ 249.00 and from what I can tell is only sold by LaRue. The Geissele SSA-E is widely available online and can routinely be purchased for 10% less than the MBT (excluding shipping and handling costs for both triggers). So the function-value analysis based on your experience would boil down to: Is the MBT worth a 10% premium over the SSA-E? The MBT needs to deliver at least 10% more functionality (which on a subjective level can include how each trigger "feels" when you use it) over the SSA-E in order to maintain the "TIE" status with the SSA-E. Which is where most folks who own the SSA-E or higher end Geissele triggers will point people to Geissele because they are excellent triggers backed by outstanding customer support from a vendor that lives or dies on the reputation of their triggers. Another plus for Geissele in marketplace perceptions is they sell a range of triggers across a variety of price points all of which are backed by outstanding customer support - so, as an example, it is far easier to point the novice shooter towards a SSA for a home defense only weapon rather than a S3G. Or the person who thinks those of us who pay over $ 200 for a trigger are nuts - towards the ALG triggers or the Geissele G2S which are backed by outstanding customer support. (Note: I am not going to engage those who want to claim: "The S3G is a perfectly acceptable home defense weapon trigger." We've had that debate on here multiple times before so revisiting it again will serve no useful purpose.) I think LaRue makes outstanding gear and rifles which are also backed by outstanding customer support. My experience is whatever LaRue is selling, someone else makes something which ties or beats it in a function-value analysis - and that includes when getting a rifle from LaRue requires a multi-month "wait list" time. Let me also acknowledge that if one accepts the multi-month "wait list" time, you will get an exceptionally accurate rifle ... but no more accurate than other premium rifles which are available without the multi-month "wait list" time. IAC, I will be interested in hearing more from you after you've had the opportunity to spend more time with the MBT. |
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Quoted: Is there a specific warranty on the MBT? I like everything about it but it just hasn't been out long enough for me to pull the trigger on  without a defined warranty (everything I have bought from LaRue has been great but still... )Mark Larue will appear to explain "if it EVER malfunctions" in 3 ... 2 ... 1 ... |
| Mark, and Bill are both great guys that give back to the community, and both are also active hunters and sportsman. Neither would send out a bad trigger, and if by any chance they did they would take care of it. I have 6 giesseles (5SDC, 1SDE) but intend to get a MBT next for my new grendel build. With how well the Larue rifles shoot, I doubt i will be disappointed. |
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The MBT seems crisper, but I find that the trigger doesn't move a micron in the 2nd stage until it breaks. Which I'm not sure if thats better or not until I can shoot for groups. I can feel when my SSA-E starts to brake and I can get it right on the edge, but sometimes I find myself missing it... which means the MBT could be better. But again untill I get a bunch of time shooting it, I can't give an honest opinion to tell others what to spend their $$$ on. Creepy triggers are never a good thing when it comes to precision. |
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<snip> Ok, then absent one point I'll clarify in a second, is it fair to say say you'd rate the MBT ahead of the SSA, roughly tied with the SSA-E but not equal to the S3G? (Claification: I am interpreting this statement: "I spend more on my SSA-E then the MBT" to mean you spend more time using your SSA-Ethan your MBT. Please correct me if you meant something else.) The MBT sells for $ 249.00 and from what I can tell is only sold by LaRue. The Geissele SSA-E is widely available online and can routinely be purchased for 10% less than the MBT (excluding shipping and handling costs for both triggers). So the function-value analysis based on your experience would boil down to: Is the MBT worth a 10% premium over the SSA-E? The MBT needs to deliver at least 10% more functionality (which on a subjective level can include how each trigger "feels" when you use it) over the SSA-E in order to maintain the "TIE" status with the SSA-E. Which is where most folks who own the SSA-E or higher end Geissele triggers will point people to Geissele because they are excellent triggers backed by outstanding customer support from a vendor that lives or dies on the reputation of their triggers. Another plus for Geissele in marketplace perceptions is they sell a range of triggers across a variety of price points all of which are backed by outstanding customer support - so, as an example, it is far easier to point the novice shooter towards a SSA for a home defense only weapon rather than a S3G. Or the person who thinks those of us who pay over $ 200 for a trigger are nuts - towards the ALG triggers or the Geissele G2S which are backed by outstanding customer support. (Note: I am not going to engage those who want to claim: "The S3G is a perfectly acceptable home defense weapon trigger." We've had that debate on here multiple times before so revisiting it again will serve no useful purpose.) I think LaRue makes outstanding gear and rifles which are also backed by outstanding customer support. My experience is whatever LaRue is selling, someone else makes something which ties or beats it in a function-value analysis - and that includes when getting a rifle from LaRue requires a multi-month "wait list" time. Let me also acknowledge that if one accepts the multi-month "wait list" time, you will get an exceptionally accurate rifle ... but no more accurate than other premium rifles which are available without the multi-month "wait list" time. IAC, I will be interested in hearing more from you after you've had the opportunity to spend more time with the MBT. Quoted:
<snip> Ok, then absent one point I'll clarify in a second, is it fair to say say you'd rate the MBT ahead of the SSA, roughly tied with the SSA-E but not equal to the S3G? (Claification: I am interpreting this statement: "I spend more on my SSA-E then the MBT" to mean you spend more time using your SSA-Ethan your MBT. Please correct me if you meant something else.) The MBT sells for $ 249.00 and from what I can tell is only sold by LaRue. The Geissele SSA-E is widely available online and can routinely be purchased for 10% less than the MBT (excluding shipping and handling costs for both triggers). So the function-value analysis based on your experience would boil down to: Is the MBT worth a 10% premium over the SSA-E? The MBT needs to deliver at least 10% more functionality (which on a subjective level can include how each trigger "feels" when you use it) over the SSA-E in order to maintain the "TIE" status with the SSA-E. Which is where most folks who own the SSA-E or higher end Geissele triggers will point people to Geissele because they are excellent triggers backed by outstanding customer support from a vendor that lives or dies on the reputation of their triggers. Another plus for Geissele in marketplace perceptions is they sell a range of triggers across a variety of price points all of which are backed by outstanding customer support - so, as an example, it is far easier to point the novice shooter towards a SSA for a home defense only weapon rather than a S3G. Or the person who thinks those of us who pay over $ 200 for a trigger are nuts - towards the ALG triggers or the Geissele G2S which are backed by outstanding customer support. (Note: I am not going to engage those who want to claim: "The S3G is a perfectly acceptable home defense weapon trigger." We've had that debate on here multiple times before so revisiting it again will serve no useful purpose.) I think LaRue makes outstanding gear and rifles which are also backed by outstanding customer support. My experience is whatever LaRue is selling, someone else makes something which ties or beats it in a function-value analysis - and that includes when getting a rifle from LaRue requires a multi-month "wait list" time. Let me also acknowledge that if one accepts the multi-month "wait list" time, you will get an exceptionally accurate rifle ... but no more accurate than other premium rifles which are available without the multi-month "wait list" time. IAC, I will be interested in hearing more from you after you've had the opportunity to spend more time with the MBT. Quoted:
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Is there a specific warranty on the MBT? I like everything about it but it just hasn't been out long enough for me to pull the trigger on without a defined warranty (everything I have bought from LaRue has been great but still... )Mark Larue will appear to explain "if it EVER malfunctions" in 3 ... 2 ... 1 ...
Meh, I'll do just like I did with all of Bill's triggers that broke - replace them. ***************************************************************************************************** Your long drawn-out post made me do a quick search - looks as if you post in a lot of Geisele threads, and have for a long time. Are you a Geisele kinfolk, a next door neighbor, an employee ? ETA - Got my i and my e backwards and an extra L - even though I have bought way more Geisseles that anyone on this board, I am not infallible.
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Ok, then absent one point I'll clarify in a second, is it fair to say say you'd rate the MBT ahead of the SSA, roughly tied with the SSA-E but not equal to the S3G? First off, again I dont have enough time behind it to rate it. From just feel alone the MBT may have a slight edge, but without shooting it a bunch I can't tell you. And the S3G is an entirely different ballgame and shouldn't even be compared. (Claification: I am interpreting this statement: "I spend more on my SSA-E then the MBT" to mean you spend more time using your SSA-Ethan your MBT. Please correct me if you meant something else.) I spent $200 on my MBT from one of the contest winners. The MBT sells for $ 249.00 and from what I can tell is only sold by LaRue. The Geissele SSA-E is widely available online and can routinely be purchased for 10% less than the MBT (excluding shipping and handling costs for both triggers). When you are buying a $250 trigger, I dont think a few dollars should be whats the deciding factor.... from what I've read others post, the Geissele DMR may be better to compare to even though the MBT doesn't adjust So the function-value analysis based on your experience would boil down to: Is the MBT worth a 10% premium over the SSA-E? Already covered, Again if you are spendign $200+ on a trigger, a few 5-10% difference shouldn't matter, and I personally think its ridiculous to put one of these triggers in an every day AR. Which is where most folks who own the SSA-E or higher end Geissele triggers will point people to Geissele because they are excellent triggers backed by outstanding customer support from a vendor that lives or dies on the reputation of their triggers. Again, Why should people be saying Geissele if they have no experience with the LaRue trigger.... by saying they you are inferring the LaRue is inferior. I'm so tired of people in the tech forums just coming in and naming what they have.... If you are going to be giving advice on how others should spend their money, be hoenst and give them the facts. Another plus for Geissele in marketplace perceptions is they sell a range of triggers across a variety of price points all of which are backed by outstanding customer support - so, as an example, it is far easier to point the novice shooter towards a SSA for a home defense only weapon rather than a S3G. Or the person who thinks those of us who pay over $ 200 for a trigger are nuts - towards the ALG triggers or the Geissele G2S which are backed by outstanding customer support. I dont see how this is applicable in this thread 
(Note: I am not going to engage those who want to claim: "The S3G is a perfectly acceptable home defense weapon trigger." We've had that debate on here multiple times before so revisiting it again will serve no useful purpose.) I dont see how this is applicable in this thread
I think LaRue makes outstanding gear and rifles which are also backed by outstanding customer support. My experience is whatever LaRue is selling, someone else makes something which ties or beats it in a function-value analysis - and that includes when getting a rifle from LaRue requires a multi-month "wait list" time. Let me also acknowledge that if one accepts the multi-month "wait list" time, you will get an exceptionally accurate rifle ... but no more accurate than other premium rifles which are available without the multi-month "wait list" time. I dont see how this is applicable in this thread , especially considering there really isn't wait times anymore
IAC, I will be interested in hearing more from you after you've had the opportunity to spend more time with the MBT. Quoted:
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I own several Geissele's and the MBT Trigger, and I still can't give an honest opinion on what I'd rather have.... Not sure how people who have never felt one can Which Geissele's do you own? SSA-E SSA S3G I spend more on my SSA-E then the MBT The MBT seems crisper, but I find that the trigger doesn't move a micron in the 2nd stage until it breaks. Which I'm not sure if thats better or not until I can shoot for groups. I can feel when my SSA-E starts to brake and I can get it right on the edge, but sometimes I find myself missing it... which means the MBT could be better. But again untill I get a bunch of time shooting it, I can't give an honest opinion to tell others what to spend their $$$ on. Ok, then absent one point I'll clarify in a second, is it fair to say say you'd rate the MBT ahead of the SSA, roughly tied with the SSA-E but not equal to the S3G? First off, again I dont have enough time behind it to rate it. From just feel alone the MBT may have a slight edge, but without shooting it a bunch I can't tell you. And the S3G is an entirely different ballgame and shouldn't even be compared. (Claification: I am interpreting this statement: "I spend more on my SSA-E then the MBT" to mean you spend more time using your SSA-Ethan your MBT. Please correct me if you meant something else.) I spent $200 on my MBT from one of the contest winners. The MBT sells for $ 249.00 and from what I can tell is only sold by LaRue. The Geissele SSA-E is widely available online and can routinely be purchased for 10% less than the MBT (excluding shipping and handling costs for both triggers). When you are buying a $250 trigger, I dont think a few dollars should be whats the deciding factor.... from what I've read others post, the Geissele DMR may be better to compare to even though the MBT doesn't adjust So the function-value analysis based on your experience would boil down to: Is the MBT worth a 10% premium over the SSA-E? Already covered, Again if you are spendign $200+ on a trigger, a few 5-10% difference shouldn't matter, and I personally think its ridiculous to put one of these triggers in an every day AR. Which is where most folks who own the SSA-E or higher end Geissele triggers will point people to Geissele because they are excellent triggers backed by outstanding customer support from a vendor that lives or dies on the reputation of their triggers. Again, Why should people be saying Geissele if they have no experience with the LaRue trigger.... by saying they you are inferring the LaRue is inferior. I'm so tired of people in the tech forums just coming in and naming what they have.... If you are going to be giving advice on how others should spend their money, be hoenst and give them the facts. Another plus for Geissele in marketplace perceptions is they sell a range of triggers across a variety of price points all of which are backed by outstanding customer support - so, as an example, it is far easier to point the novice shooter towards a SSA for a home defense only weapon rather than a S3G. Or the person who thinks those of us who pay over $ 200 for a trigger are nuts - towards the ALG triggers or the Geissele G2S which are backed by outstanding customer support. I dont see how this is applicable in this thread
(Note: I am not going to engage those who want to claim: "The S3G is a perfectly acceptable home defense weapon trigger." We've had that debate on here multiple times before so revisiting it again will serve no useful purpose.) I dont see how this is applicable in this thread
I think LaRue makes outstanding gear and rifles which are also backed by outstanding customer support. My experience is whatever LaRue is selling, someone else makes something which ties or beats it in a function-value analysis - and that includes when getting a rifle from LaRue requires a multi-month "wait list" time. Let me also acknowledge that if one accepts the multi-month "wait list" time, you will get an exceptionally accurate rifle ... but no more accurate than other premium rifles which are available without the multi-month "wait list" time. I dont see how this is applicable in this thread , especially considering there really isn't wait times anymore
IAC, I will be interested in hearing more from you after you've had the opportunity to spend more time with the MBT. |
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Quoted: Meh, I'll do just like I did with all of Bill's triggers that broke - replace them. ***************************************************************************************************** Your long drawn-out post made me do a quick search - looks as if you post in a lot of Gieselle threads, and have for a long time. Are you a Gieselle kinfolk, a next door neighbor, an employee ? Quoted: Quoted: Quoted: Is there a specific warranty on the MBT? I like everything about it but it just hasn't been out long enough for me to pull the trigger on without a defined warranty (everything I have bought from LaRue has been great but still... )Mark Larue will appear to explain "if it EVER malfunctions" in 3 ... 2 ... 1 ... Meh, I'll do just like I did with all of Bill's triggers that broke - replace them. ***************************************************************************************************** Your long drawn-out post made me do a quick search - looks as if you post in a lot of Gieselle threads, and have for a long time. Are you a Gieselle kinfolk, a next door neighbor, an employee ? No, no, and no. I have never even spoken to anyone at Geissele. "...you post in a lot of Geiselle threads ..." Well, to my knowledge, I have only posted two Geissele-related threads and there were both in reference to the same problem I was having with an ALG ACT trigger on a build I was doing. I have made multiple positive comments related to Geissele triggers on trigger related threads posted/started by others but you must be in hyper-defensive mode if you think you can convince anyone that someone who is making their 784th post (as of this post) has made a lot Geissele related posts. Interesting to note, folks - despite the positive things I have said about LaRue products in this thread and others - this is not the first time Mark has gotten defensive with me ... or a lot of other people ... simply for NOT being 100% positive 100% of the time with regards to EVERYTHING LaRue. But enough of the off topic badinage ... |
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<snip> Interesting to note, folks - despite the positive things I have said about LaRue products in this thread and others - this is not the first time Mark has gotten defensive with me ... or a lot of other people ... simply for NOT being 100% positive 100% of the time with regards to EVERYTHING LaRue. But enough of the off topic badinage ... ^ ^^^ ^ Yours is a tactic I see more and more of these days. "Hmm, let's see, I'll start off with a nice compliment, then the knife will slip in easier, giving me nice street creds for seeing both sides of the issue, while looking forthright and all that."
Matter of fact, Nutnfancy has been busily posting a few CYA "saying nice things" comments in his "LaRue Sux" youtube ... he's tactfully burying them deep down in the comment section. ETA - Just pointing out Al Gore's Great Game of the Internet. Typical Barliman eschews LaRue thread Quoted:
Posted: 4/9/2014 11:33:36 AM CST Quoted: Love the LaRue haters. The only folks I've seen labeled "LaRue Haters" are the ones who point out inconvenient "LaRue Facts". "2 years 2 weeks and 3 days" "My OBR came with a 5 shot group. I find it interesting (and disappointing) that these are now shipping with 3. I have a lot of respect for what Mark does with his rifles and barrels. I know that their capabilities will exceed most shooters abilities, including my own. But I'd like to see the entire firearms industry move away from 3 shot groups (with which every rifle is sub MOA with some load) and actually give us a decent idea of what it is capable of." But hey, maybe with a 2 year way wait , dropping 2 rounds from the group got the rifle out the door a day sooner. If you order a LaRue OBR today ... your SR-15 will still be you last AR for a while. LaRue Land - where telling the TRUTH equals HATE |
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Interesting to note, folks - despite the positive things I have said about LaRue products in this thread and others - this is not the first time Mark has gotten defensive with me ... or a lot of other people ... simply for NOT being 100% positive 100% of the time with regards to EVERYTHING LaRue. But enough of the off topic badinage ... Reading your posts make you seem like you've got something against LaRue.... You entire posts were why you wouldn't buy the LaRue trigger, and apparently you havent even tried it yet. |
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Quoted: Reading your posts make you seem like you've got something against LaRue.... You entire posts were why you wouldn't buy the LaRue trigger, and apparently you havent even tried it yet. Quoted: Quoted: Interesting to note, folks - despite the positive things I have said about LaRue products in this thread and others - this is not the first time Mark has gotten defensive with me ... or a lot of other people ... simply for NOT being 100% positive 100% of the time with regards to EVERYTHING LaRue. But enough of the off topic badinage ... Reading your posts make you seem like you've got something against LaRue.... You entire posts were why you wouldn't buy the LaRue trigger, and apparently you havent even tried it yet. Nothing against LaRue ... or RRA ... or Spikes ... or .... Do I really have to list all the manufacturers of "after market' triggers I haven't tried ... and YOU probably haven't tried either ... to make the obvious point that people every day make decisions to NOT buy and try EVERY SINGLE product in a market niche because doing so is financially insane? But thanks for underscoring my point ... in LaRue Land you will be assailed simply for NOT being 100% positive 100% of the time with regards to EVERYTHING LaRue. And I had left your earlier comments regarding my points on function-value analysis to undermine themselves for the EXACT same reason. Again, enough of the off topic badinage ... |
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Nothing against LaRue ... or RRA ... or Spikes ... or .... Do I really have to list all the manufacturers of "after market' triggers I haven't tried ... and YOU probably haven't tried either ... to make the obvious point that people every day make decisions to NOT buy and try EVERY SINGLE product in a market niche because doing so is financially insane? But thanks for underscoring my point ... in LaRue Land you will be assailed simply for NOT being 100% positive 100% of the time with regards to EVERYTHING LaRue. And I had left your earlier comments regarding my points on function-value analysis to undermine themselves for the EXACT same reason. Again, enough of the off topic badinage ... Quoted:
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Interesting to note, folks - despite the positive things I have said about LaRue products in this thread and others - this is not the first time Mark has gotten defensive with me ... or a lot of other people ... simply for NOT being 100% positive 100% of the time with regards to EVERYTHING LaRue. But enough of the off topic badinage ... Reading your posts make you seem like you've got something against LaRue.... You entire posts were why you wouldn't buy the LaRue trigger, and apparently you havent even tried it yet. Nothing against LaRue ... or RRA ... or Spikes ... or .... Do I really have to list all the manufacturers of "after market' triggers I haven't tried ... and YOU probably haven't tried either ... to make the obvious point that people every day make decisions to NOT buy and try EVERY SINGLE product in a market niche because doing so is financially insane? But thanks for underscoring my point ... in LaRue Land you will be assailed simply for NOT being 100% positive 100% of the time with regards to EVERYTHING LaRue. And I had left your earlier comments regarding my points on function-value analysis to undermine themselves for the EXACT same reason. Again, enough of the off topic badinage ... Dude.... you came into a thread titled "LaRue Trigger" and all you've done is say "get a Geissele, I wont buy a LaRue because of '...' " This thread is SPECIFICALLY asking about LaRue's new trigger, which you have yet to try, but you feel like you should give advise against it
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Is there a specific warranty on the MBT? I like everything about it but it just hasn't been out long enough for me to pull the trigger on without a defined warranty (everything I have bought from LaRue has been great but still... )Mark Larue will appear to explain "if it EVER malfunctions" in 3 ... 2 ... 1 ...
Meh, I'll do just like I did with all of Bill's triggers that broke - replace them. ***************************************************************************************************** Your long drawn-out post made me do a quick search - looks as if you post in a lot of Geisele threads, and have for a long time. Are you a Geisele kinfolk, a next door neighbor, an employee ? ETA - Got my i and my e backwards and an extra L - even though I have bought way more Geisseles that anyone on this board, I am not infallible. that works |
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Interesting to note, folks - despite the positive things I have said about LaRue products in this thread and others - this is not the first time Mark has gotten defensive with me ... or a lot of other people ... simply for NOT being 100% positive 100% of the time with regards to EVERYTHING LaRue. But enough of the off topic badinage ... Reading your posts make you seem like you've got something against LaRue.... You entire posts were why you wouldn't buy the LaRue trigger, and apparently you havent even tried it yet. Nothing against LaRue ... or RRA ... or Spikes ... or .... Do I really have to list all the manufacturers of "after market' triggers I haven't tried ... and YOU probably haven't tried either ... to make the obvious point that people every day make decisions to NOT buy and try EVERY SINGLE product in a market niche because doing so is financially insane? But thanks for underscoring my point ... in LaRue Land you will be assailed simply for NOT being 100% positive 100% of the time with regards to EVERYTHING LaRue. And I had left your earlier comments regarding my points on function-value analysis to undermine themselves for the EXACT same reason. Again, enough of the off topic badinage ... Dude.... you came into a thread titled "LaRue Trigger" and all you've done is say "get a Geissele, I wont buy a LaRue because of '...' " This thread is SPECIFICALLY asking about LaRue's new trigger, which you have yet to try, but you feel like you should give advise against it
Determined to STAY off topic? The beauty of the internet is people can read through the thread and judge for themselves regarding questions I asked, answers you gave, my response in answer to how a function-value analysis can be used to make a choice based on limited hands on experience. I personally would like to see some function value analysis done between triggers in general by a third party that would be pretty cool. I have a geisselle sdc , alg , spikes and have been looking at the larue for the build that has the spikes. |
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Is there a specific warranty on the MBT? I like everything about it but it just hasn't been out long enough for me to pull the trigger on without a defined warranty (everything I have bought from LaRue has been great but still... )Mark Larue will appear to explain "if it EVER malfunctions" in 3 ... 2 ... 1 ...
Meh, I'll do just like I did with all of Bill's triggers that broke - replace them. ***************************************************************************************************** Your long drawn-out post made me do a quick search - looks as if you post in a lot of Geisele threads, and have for a long time. Are you a Geisele kinfolk, a next door neighbor, an employee ? ETA - Got my i and my e backwards and an extra L - even though I have bought way more Geisseles that anyone on this board, I am not infallible. If you don't mind me asking but what failures did you see out of geisselle triggers. I ask this with genuine curiosity bc I would really like to know. I am not trolling you or anything, I'm in the market for a new trigger for a build. |
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Interesting to note, folks - despite the positive things I have said about LaRue products in this thread and others - this is not the first time Mark has gotten defensive with me ... or a lot of other people ... simply for NOT being 100% positive 100% of the time with regards to EVERYTHING LaRue. But enough of the off topic badinage ... Reading your posts make you seem like you've got something against LaRue.... You entire posts were why you wouldn't buy the LaRue trigger, and apparently you havent even tried it yet. Nothing against LaRue ... or RRA ... or Spikes ... or .... Do I really have to list all the manufacturers of "after market' triggers I haven't tried ... and YOU probably haven't tried either ... to make the obvious point that people every day make decisions to NOT buy and try EVERY SINGLE product in a market niche because doing so is financially insane? But thanks for underscoring my point ... in LaRue Land you will be assailed simply for NOT being 100% positive 100% of the time with regards to EVERYTHING LaRue. And I had left your earlier comments regarding my points on function-value analysis to undermine themselves for the EXACT same reason. Again, enough of the off topic badinage ... Dude.... you came into a thread titled "LaRue Trigger" and all you've done is say "get a Geissele, I wont buy a LaRue because of '...' " This thread is SPECIFICALLY asking about LaRue's new trigger, which you have yet to try, but you feel like you should give advise against it
Determined to STAY off topic? The beauty of the internet is people can read through the thread and judge for themselves regarding questions I asked, answers you gave, my response in answer to how a function-value analysis can be used to make a choice based on limited hands on experience. The problem with your last statement is that this is a technical forum, not a Function-Value theory forum. Not to mention, when it comes to triggers (and many other products for that matter), I don't know how you can just throw out a 1:1 function vs. price correlation (i.e. 10% price hike requires 10% functionality improvement). That is a totally arbitrary correlation. Is a Geissele SSA 120% better functionally than a RRA 2 stage match trigger? Probably not...... but I know I'm willing to pay a 100%+ premium for the Geissele because TO ME it feels infinitely better. That being said, I am very interested in some feedback from Mr. Larue or anyone else with hands on experience with both the MBT-2S and the Geissele SSA. Are there any notable differences from a materials or design perspective (for example I've read a few people say the curvature of the bow feels different than the SSA)? Or in general, how would someone describe any noticeable differences between the two triggers in action? I love my Geissele's, but I'm strongly considering trying the Larue. |
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Quoted: The problem with your last statement is that this is a technical forum, not a Function-Value theory forum. Not to mention, when it comes to triggers (and many other products for that matter), I don't know how you can just throw out a 1:1 function vs. price correlation (i.e. 10% price hike requires 10% functionality improvement). That is a totally arbitrary correlation. Is a Geissele SSA 120% better functionally than a RRA 2 stage match trigger? Probably not...... but I know I'm willing to pay a 100%+ premium for the Geissele because TO ME it feels infinitely better. That being said, I am very interested in some feedback from Mr. Larue or anyone else with hands on experience with both the MBT-2S and the Geissele SSA. Are there any notable differences from a materials or design perspective (for example I've read a few people say the curvature of the bow feels different than the SSA)? Or in general, how would someone describe any noticeable differences between the two triggers in action? I love my Geissele's, but I'm strongly considering trying the Larue. Quoted: The problem with your last statement is that this is a technical forum, not a Function-Value theory forum. Not to mention, when it comes to triggers (and many other products for that matter), I don't know how you can just throw out a 1:1 function vs. price correlation (i.e. 10% price hike requires 10% functionality improvement). That is a totally arbitrary correlation. Is a Geissele SSA 120% better functionally than a RRA 2 stage match trigger? Probably not...... but I know I'm willing to pay a 100%+ premium for the Geissele because TO ME it feels infinitely better. That being said, I am very interested in some feedback from Mr. Larue or anyone else with hands on experience with both the MBT-2S and the Geissele SSA. Are there any notable differences from a materials or design perspective (for example I've read a few people say the curvature of the bow feels different than the SSA)? Or in general, how would someone describe any noticeable differences between the two triggers in action? I love my Geissele's, but I'm strongly considering trying the Larue. And I have not raised ANY theoretical function-value points ... if you go back past the noise from the hyper-sensitive, my original post was in response to this statement: The MBT seems crisper, but I find that the trigger doesn't move a micron in the 2nd stage until it breaks. Which I'm not sure if thats better or not until I can shoot for groups. I can feel when my SSA-E starts to brake and I can get it right on the edge, but sometimes I find myself missing it... which means the MBT could be better. But again untill I get a bunch of time shooting it, I can't give an honest opinion to tell others what to spend their $$$ on. Ok, then absent one point I'll clarify in a second, is it fair to say say you'd rate the MBT ahead of the SSA, roughly tied with the SSA-E but not equal to the S3G? (Claification: I am interpreting this statement: "I spend more on my SSA-E then the MBT" to mean you spend more time using your SSA-Ethan your MBT. Please correct me if you meant something else.) The MBT sells for $ 249.00 and from what I can tell is only sold by LaRue. The Geissele SSA-E is widely available online and can routinely be purchased for 10% less than the MBT (excluding shipping and handling costs for both triggers). So the function-value analysis based on your experience would boil down to: Is the MBT worth a 10% premium over the SSA-E? The MBT needs to deliver at least 10% more functionality (which on a subjective level can include how each trigger "feels" when you use it) over the SSA-E in order to maintain the "TIE" status with the SSA-E. Which is where most folks who own the SSA-E or higher end Geissele triggers will point people to Geissele because they are excellent triggers backed by outstanding customer support from a vendor that lives or dies on the reputation of their triggers. Another plus for Geissele in marketplace perceptions is they sell a range of triggers across a variety of price points all of which are backed by outstanding customer support - so, as an example, it is far easier to point the novice shooter towards a SSA for a home defense only weapon rather than a S3G. Or the person who thinks those of us who pay over $ 200 for a trigger are nuts - towards the ALG triggers or the Geissele G2S which are backed by outstanding customer support. (Note: I am not going to engage those who want to claim: "The S3G is a perfectly acceptable home defense weapon trigger." We've had that debate on here multiple times before so revisiting it again will serve no useful purpose.) In three decades, the only folks who have objected to it have been vendors (and their internal supporters) who wanted to provide THEIR "yardstick" to measure the results. Side note: those vendors have ranged from garage run businesses to IBM who found NO internal traction with EVP's CEO's or Chairmen of the Board. Side note on theory: Theory on this topic is giving weighting factors to individual line items, allowing "credit" for external third party recommendations and their "weighting", etc , etc, etc |
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I won an MBT on the LaRue giveaway and it's simply the best AR-15 trigger I've ever had. It's more complete then the SSA-E.. the first break is simply a short glide; and the second break is almost instant and is like snapping an ice needle. LaRue manged to make the second stage so short, yet it's 100% controllable. It is kind of hard to explain... but it's simply the best trigger I've ever had. I was at the range and threw 300 rounds down with it in my latest build and it truly bought the rifle to life. The MBT puts you in total control of your rifle and like I said, it's a smooth, VERY light, butter short first stage, the second stage is simply fire.. and the reset is simply top notch. The SSA-E is a great unit; but this is the Rolls Royce of AR-15 triggers. It's really something you have to experience in the flesh.
LaRue is the best. I even saw the guys at SHOT show and I got a dillo.
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Barliman, I'm not following your logic. First, what does a larger product portfolio ("wider range of choices" as you put it) of Geissele have to do with value regarding a specific product comparison? You responded to someone that was comparing the SSA-E to the Larue (2 somewhat similar 2 stage triggers). The fact that Geissele offers 10+ triggers has nothing to do with a value comparison between the SSA-E and the Larue. That's like saying a 2015 BMW 5 series is somehow less valuable than an 2015 Acura RLX because Honda has a more expansive 2015 car line than BMW. Sony probably makes 50+ different styles of audio headphones. Does that weigh heavily in favor of Sony in a value comparison of a specific pair of Sony headphones to a comparable pair of Bose headphones (since Bose only makes a handful of different headset models)? Are KAC rifles less of a value compared to Noveske rifles because they offer a more limited rifle line? It would be one thing if Larue was a start up AR company with little or no experience. But this is a company that knows quite a bit about rifles, shooter preferences, materials, machining, function, etc. The only way I see product portfolio coming into a value comparison is if you're dealing with a market entrant or an established company that is venturing into a new product that is completely outside their area of expertise. That is not the case here.
And even if we take out all variables and make all things even, value isn't a simple 1:1 correlation between price and function. Would you pay double the amount of your current cell phone for a new cell phone if it had 100% more battery life, 100% more memory capacity, and 100% more processing speed than your current phone? I mean.... functionally, it's 100% better than your phone, but I bet you wouldn't pay 100% more for it. Law of diminishing returns in this case. Conversely, what if I engineered a car that got 20% better gas mileage, included an engine with a 20% longer life, produced 20% less carbon emissions, performed 20% safer in crash tests and acceleration tests, had 20% better handling, offered 20% more storage, had a 20% longer warranty, used 20% more durable parts, etc.? Say competitor A was selling his car for $20K. I bet a LOT of people would consider my car a great comparative value at $30K. That's a 50% mark-up for a 20% "functional" difference. Simply put...... function is often a relative factor in the price/function correlation. All products are not commodities. |
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I'd love to compare a Larue trigger to my SSA-E, I really would. I have 5 SSAE triggers, 1 SSA, and just sold my rifle with the DMR. Would be interested to see how the Larue stacks up.
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Quoted: Barliman, I'm not following your logic. First, what does a larger product portfolio ("wider range of choices" as you put it) of Geissele have to do with value regarding a specific product comparison? You responded to someone that was comparing the SSA-E to the Larue (2 somewhat similar 2 stage triggers). The fact that Geissele offers 10+ triggers has nothing to do with a value comparison between the SSA-E and the Larue. That's like saying a 2015 BMW 5 series is somehow less valuable than an 2015 Acura RLX because Honda has a more expansive 2015 car line than BMW. Sony probably makes 50+ different styles of audio headphones. Does that weigh heavily in favor of Sony in a value comparison of a specific pair of Sony headphones to a comparable pair of Bose headphones (since Bose only makes a handful of different headset models)? Are KAC rifles less of a value compared to Noveske rifles because they offer a more limited rifle line? It would be one thing if Larue was a start up AR company with little or no experience. But this is a company that knows quite a bit about rifles, shooter preferences, materials, machining, function, etc. The only way I see product portfolio coming into a value comparison is if you're dealing with a market entrant or an established company that is venturing into a new product that is completely outside their area of expertise. That is not the case here. And even if we take out all variables and make all things even, value isn't a simple 1:1 correlation between price and function. Would you pay double the amount of your current cell phone for a new cell phone if it had 100% more battery life, 100% more memory capacity, and 100% more processing speed than your current phone? I mean.... functionally, it's 100% better than your phone, but I bet you wouldn't pay 100% more for it. Law of diminishing returns in this case. Conversely, what if I engineered a car that got 20% better gas mileage, included an engine with a 20% longer life, produced 20% less carbon emissions, performed 20% safer in crash tests and acceleration tests, had 20% better handling, offered 20% more storage, had a 20% longer warranty, used 20% more durable parts, etc.? Say competitor A was selling his car for $20K. I bet a LOT of people would consider my car a great comparative value at $30K. That's a 50% mark-up for a 20% "functional" difference. Simply put...... function is often a relative factor in the price/function correlation. All products are not commodities. Let's sum it up this way: There are many folks who come on here looking for insight/information who are extremely price sensitive. They find the idea of people spending over $ 200 for a trigger as completely insane. There is a small but very vocal minority which espouses, "Buy once, cry once." and they are generally dismissive of ANY premium paid in pursuit of their personal goals. I have been in both camps. A true match grade trigger makes a contribution to performance under certain circumstances which IS beyond just the price paid. However, there IS value in having a range of products meeting a variety of functions at a variety of prices as Geissele has already proven. What is NOT a "commodity" to you is very likely to be a commodity to someone else. How is it not in the interests of everyone to try to find some common ground for the discussion? |
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I'd love to compare a Larue trigger to my SSA-E, I really would. I have 5 SSAE triggers, 1 SSA, and just sold my rifle with the DMR. Would be interested to see how the Larue stacks up. Too bad there is no trigger rental company. I would drop the Larue in my 5.45 rifle and blast out a spam can. ETA: real test would be if it could survive THE swamp I doubt you would notice a difference with that type of shooting.... well you will notice the unique trigger face. So if there is no difference why would I want it over a SSAE. I use the SSAE in my 5.45, 5.56 and 7.62. Serious question. What "kind of shooting" would it make a difference? I've using my 5.45 for everything tom rapid fire to 300yard "precision" practice. I wouldn't be putting $250 match grade triggers in "blasting" or everyday AR's. Not meant for that IMHO. Unless you're shooting a submoa gun I dont see the point. |
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I'd love to compare a Larue trigger to my SSA-E, I really would. I have 5 SSAE triggers, 1 SSA, and just sold my rifle with the DMR. Would be interested to see how the Larue stacks up. Too bad there is no trigger rental company. I would drop the Larue in my 5.45 rifle and blast out a spam can. ETA: real test would be if it could survive THE swamp I doubt you would notice a difference with that type of shooting.... well you will notice the unique trigger face. So if there is no difference why would I want it over a SSAE. I use the SSAE in my 5.45, 5.56 and 7.62. Serious question. What "kind of shooting" would it make a difference? I've using my 5.45 for everything tom rapid fire to 300yard "precision" practice. I wouldn't be putting $250 match grade triggers in "blasting" or everyday AR's. Not meant for that IMHO. Unless you're shooting a submoa gun I dont see the point. i have to agree with this. if its a range blaster, a simple mil-spec trigger would be my choice. |
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Has anyone tried it? I am tossing this and a geissele SDC up to drop in my lower Hanovi, " Trigger Prices " at Midway show our S7 Toolroom MBT trigger pricing to be about in the middle. I bet if you bought an MBT and then compared it to a mass-produced trigger, you'd have a much better idea than a guy that hasn't touched a LaRue trigger and likely never will.
This; just got to try out a friend's SSA-E, and it confirmed my original assessment. Its right between a SSA-E and a Hi-Speed, and from how it feels, it seems like its appropriately priced based on the quality of the trigger and the feel of the break. I also really like the way the face of the trigger feels on my finger. Its nice and wide, and still gives a "flat" feel. The physical trigger itself feels way better than say...a Wilson TTU. It is a great bridge between those two triggers feel wise and price wise; if there was a way to lighten the second stage break, I'd consider using one in place of my DMR trigger just for peace of mind that it won't "un-adjust" at a really bad time. Great option for those who want a really crisp break and not have to worry about adjustments slipping. That's the only thing I am not 100% happy with, with my Wilson TTU (two-stage). The trigger itself is a little thin for my taste. But the way it breaks and everything else about it is great. How would you compare the TTU with Larue's, besides the trigger bow? I have the TTU M2. And I've tried the SSA and SSA-E, but didn't like either of them. |
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