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Posted: 7/31/2014 5:19:45 AM EDT
| Got a new job and want to splurge on a new rifle. I've got 2 POF piston rifles but want to go w/ either a Knights SR-15 mod 1 or BCM "the Jack". Anyone want to chime in on these rifle models? Intended use for the gun would be home defense/classes/SHTF. |
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Get the SR15, it is definitely the better rifle.
I was also struggling to decide between the Jack or the SR couple months back and I went with the SR. I actually bought another SR15 Mod1 only 1 week after I got my first.... which is saying a lot. The SR's E3 bolt has an incredible record of durability, no one has heard or seen a broken E3 bolt. If you need more persuasion you can read/watch my review of the SR15 Mod1 
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SR-15 as "The Jack" isn't really anything particularly special while the SR-15 has many, many improvements over a standard AR-15 pattern rifle. Exactly. The SR15 is it's own rifle. Redesigned locking lugs which increase strenght, proprietary gas system for tuned recoil and reduced parts wear. "The Jack" is a pro-model parts rifle designed by Travis Haley (who doesn't seem to actually use that configuration). Its the same as any other 14.5 middy with your choice of furniture. |
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Get the SR15, it is definitely the better rifle. I was also struggling to decide between the Jack or the SR couple months back and I went with the SR. I actually bought another SR15 Mod1 only 1 week after I got my first.... which is saying a lot. The SR's E3 bolt has an incredible record of durability, no one has heard or seen a broken E3 bolt. If you need more persuasion you can read/watch my review of the SR15 Mod1 <a href="https://flic.kr/p/nE17ZN" target="_blank">https://farm6.staticflickr.com/5524/14213542512_107cc2c44d_b.jpg</a> <a href="https://flic.kr/p/nnHGFS" target="_blank">https://farm6.staticflickr.com/5039/14029275008_d8303b2428_b.jpg</a> <a href="https://flic.kr/p/nFZMhF" target="_blank">https://farm6.staticflickr.com/5545/14236109203_946a81bbcc_b.jpg</a> <a href="https://flic.kr/p/nnHJh8" target="_blank">https://farm6.staticflickr.com/5160/14029280359_d5b20c724f_b.jpg</a> <a href="https://flic.kr/p/nE4Gyq" target="_blank">https://farm6.staticflickr.com/5120/14214240752_f97babf172_b.jpg</a> <a href="https://flic.kr/p/nnMjXU" target="_blank">https://farm6.staticflickr.com/5075/14029982378_a8859c737a_b.jpg</a> $2,000 rifle, $70 optic. Makes sense. 
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Exactly. The SR15 is it's own rifle. Redesigned locking lugs which increase strenght, proprietary gas system for tuned recoil and reduced parts wear. "The Jack" is a pro-model parts rifle designed by Travis Haley (who doesn't seem to actually use that configuration). Its the same as any other 14.5 middy with your choice of furniture. Quoted:
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SR-15 as "The Jack" isn't really anything particularly special while the SR-15 has many, many improvements over a standard AR-15 pattern rifle. Exactly. The SR15 is it's own rifle. Redesigned locking lugs which increase strenght, proprietary gas system for tuned recoil and reduced parts wear. "The Jack" is a pro-model parts rifle designed by Travis Haley (who doesn't seem to actually use that configuration). Its the same as any other 14.5 middy with your choice of furniture. Boom |
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Get the SR15, it is definitely the better rifle. I was also struggling to decide between the Jack or the SR couple months back and I went with the SR. I actually bought another SR15 Mod1 only 1 week after I got my first.... which is saying a lot. The SR's E3 bolt has an incredible record of durability, no one has heard or seen a broken E3 bolt. If you need more persuasion you can read/watch my review of the SR15 Mod1 <a href="https://flic.kr/p/nE17ZN" target="_blank">https://farm6.staticflickr.com/5524/14213542512_107cc2c44d_b.jpg</a> <a href="https://flic.kr/p/nnHGFS" target="_blank">https://farm6.staticflickr.com/5039/14029275008_d8303b2428_b.jpg</a> <a href="https://flic.kr/p/nFZMhF" target="_blank">https://farm6.staticflickr.com/5545/14236109203_946a81bbcc_b.jpg</a> <a href="https://flic.kr/p/nnHJh8" target="_blank">https://farm6.staticflickr.com/5160/14029280359_d5b20c724f_b.jpg</a> <a href="https://flic.kr/p/nE4Gyq" target="_blank">https://farm6.staticflickr.com/5120/14214240752_f97babf172_b.jpg</a> <a href="https://flic.kr/p/nnMjXU" target="_blank">https://farm6.staticflickr.com/5075/14029982378_a8859c737a_b.jpg</a> $2,000 rifle, $70 optic. Makes sense. I was wonder about it too. Even looks like a LT mount...which would cost twice the optic |
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of the two I'd say the SR-15, however I'd rather have another BCM CHF bbl'ed with the keymod rail over an SR-15. I think KAC really shines in the .308 world and their 5.56 guns are nice but so many companies have caught up to them like DD and BCM I havent seen anything from DD that equals what the SR15 offers OTB. BCM I dont compare directly KAC as they are more in the assembly game than the manufacturing game. |
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Get the SR15, it is definitely the better rifle. I was also struggling to decide between the Jack or the SR couple months back and I went with the SR. I actually bought another SR15 Mod1 only 1 week after I got my first.... which is saying a lot. The SR's E3 bolt has an incredible record of durability, no one has heard or seen a broken E3 bolt. If you need more persuasion you can read/watch my review of the SR15 Mod1 <a href="https://flic.kr/p/nE17ZN" target="_blank">https://farm6.staticflickr.com/5524/14213542512_107cc2c44d_b.jpg</a> <a href="https://flic.kr/p/nnHGFS" target="_blank">https://farm6.staticflickr.com/5039/14029275008_d8303b2428_b.jpg</a> <a href="https://flic.kr/p/nFZMhF" target="_blank">https://farm6.staticflickr.com/5545/14236109203_946a81bbcc_b.jpg</a> <a href="https://flic.kr/p/nnHJh8" target="_blank">https://farm6.staticflickr.com/5160/14029280359_d5b20c724f_b.jpg</a> <a href="https://flic.kr/p/nE4Gyq" target="_blank">https://farm6.staticflickr.com/5120/14214240752_f97babf172_b.jpg</a> <a href="https://flic.kr/p/nnMjXU" target="_blank">https://farm6.staticflickr.com/5075/14029982378_a8859c737a_b.jpg</a> $2,000 rifle, $70 optic. Makes sense. I noticed that too 
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Get the SR15, it is definitely the better rifle. I was also struggling to decide between the Jack or the SR couple months back and I went with the SR. I actually bought another SR15 Mod1 only 1 week after I got my first.... which is saying a lot. The SR's E3 bolt has an incredible record of durability, no one has heard or seen a broken E3 bolt. If you need more persuasion you can read/watch my review of the SR15 Mod1 <a href="https://flic.kr/p/nE17ZN" target="_blank">https://farm6.staticflickr.com/5524/14213542512_107cc2c44d_b.jpg</a> <a href="https://flic.kr/p/nnHGFS" target="_blank">https://farm6.staticflickr.com/5039/14029275008_d8303b2428_b.jpg</a> <a href="https://flic.kr/p/nFZMhF" target="_blank">https://farm6.staticflickr.com/5545/14236109203_946a81bbcc_b.jpg</a> <a href="https://flic.kr/p/nnHJh8" target="_blank">https://farm6.staticflickr.com/5160/14029280359_d5b20c724f_b.jpg</a> <a href="https://flic.kr/p/nE4Gyq" target="_blank">https://farm6.staticflickr.com/5120/14214240752_f97babf172_b.jpg</a> <a href="https://flic.kr/p/nnMjXU" target="_blank">https://farm6.staticflickr.com/5075/14029982378_a8859c737a_b.jpg</a> $2,000 rifle, $70 optic. Makes sense. I was wonder about it too. Even looks like a LT mount...which would cost twice the optic Well... this is exactly the 10th time people wondered about my setup. Yes, that's a LT751, I really wanted that mount b/c of the way it looks, there were no substitute, ie clones. Rent payment, College/Grad school tuition, and my enjoyment of shooting a lot are killing my wallet... with the limited amount of money I have, I rather buy ammo and guns. What's wrong with the PA Micro? It's 1/9 the price of a T1, and it serves me well. Again, I much rather spend the money on ammo so I can get plenty of trigger time with my SR15 Mod1 Also, you guys should be worried about me shooting steel case ammo along with brass cased ammo 
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Get the SR15, it is definitely the better rifle. I was also struggling to decide between the Jack or the SR couple months back and I went with the SR. I actually bought another SR15 Mod1 only 1 week after I got my first.... which is saying a lot. The SR's E3 bolt has an incredible record of durability, no one has heard or seen a broken E3 bolt. If you need more persuasion you can read/watch my review of the SR15 Mod1 <a href="https://flic.kr/p/nE17ZN" target="_blank">https://farm6.staticflickr.com/5524/14213542512_107cc2c44d_b.jpg</a> <a href="https://flic.kr/p/nnHGFS" target="_blank">https://farm6.staticflickr.com/5039/14029275008_d8303b2428_b.jpg</a> <a href="https://flic.kr/p/nFZMhF" target="_blank">https://farm6.staticflickr.com/5545/14236109203_946a81bbcc_b.jpg</a> <a href="https://flic.kr/p/nnHJh8" target="_blank">https://farm6.staticflickr.com/5160/14029280359_d5b20c724f_b.jpg</a> <a href="https://flic.kr/p/nE4Gyq" target="_blank">https://farm6.staticflickr.com/5120/14214240752_f97babf172_b.jpg</a> <a href="https://flic.kr/p/nnMjXU" target="_blank">https://farm6.staticflickr.com/5075/14029982378_a8859c737a_b.jpg</a> $2,000 rifle, $70 optic. Makes sense. I noticed that too Primary Arms makes good optics, dunno why people knock on them. Note I said good not great. My next build will have an EXPS3 but I still love my MD08. What if someone buys a beater Wal-Mart Colt and puts a Schmidt & Bender or an Elcan on it? Noone hates on that guy. As for the OP, KAC vs BCM, I would just build my own so you get the best of ... every world.... KAC for their URX 4 rail that has keymods at the 45 deg positions, something the older KAC rails do not have. Seekins for their badass billet lower/upper Rainier Arms for their ultramatch barrels JP for their LMOS BCG and silent buffer spring Syrac or SLR for the adj. gas blocks that you can adjust from the front |
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What is the opinion on the sr15 mod 2 ? Is the mod 1 still the better one? If you like the URX4.0 Keymod system, go Mod2. If you like the URX3.1 Modular 'Trimmed' Picatinny system, go Mod1. The Mod2 has a different Gas Block design(threaded nut vs Mod1's pressed then pinned), and some say its an improvement over the Mod1 b/c of how it is mounted, but IMO it is just another way to secure the GB on to the barrel. |
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Well... this is exactly the 10th time people wondered about my setup. Yes, that's a LT751, I really wanted that mount b/c of the way it looks, there were no substitute, ie clones. Rent payment, College/Grad school tuition, and my enjoyment of shooting a lot are killing my wallet... with the limited amount of money I have, I rather buy ammo and guns. What's wrong with the PA Micro? It's 1/9 the price of a T1, and it serves me well. Again, I much rather spend the money on ammo so I can get plenty of trigger time with my SR15 Mod1 Also, you guys should be worried about me shooting steel case ammo along with brass cased ammo Quoted:
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Get the SR15, it is definitely the better rifle. I was also struggling to decide between the Jack or the SR couple months back and I went with the SR. I actually bought another SR15 Mod1 only 1 week after I got my first.... which is saying a lot. The SR's E3 bolt has an incredible record of durability, no one has heard or seen a broken E3 bolt. If you need more persuasion you can read/watch my review of the SR15 Mod1 <a href="https://flic.kr/p/nE17ZN" target="_blank">https://farm6.staticflickr.com/5524/14213542512_107cc2c44d_b.jpg</a> <a href="https://flic.kr/p/nnHGFS" target="_blank">https://farm6.staticflickr.com/5039/14029275008_d8303b2428_b.jpg</a> <a href="https://flic.kr/p/nFZMhF" target="_blank">https://farm6.staticflickr.com/5545/14236109203_946a81bbcc_b.jpg</a> <a href="https://flic.kr/p/nnHJh8" target="_blank">https://farm6.staticflickr.com/5160/14029280359_d5b20c724f_b.jpg</a> <a href="https://flic.kr/p/nE4Gyq" target="_blank">https://farm6.staticflickr.com/5120/14214240752_f97babf172_b.jpg</a> <a href="https://flic.kr/p/nnMjXU" target="_blank">https://farm6.staticflickr.com/5075/14029982378_a8859c737a_b.jpg</a> $2,000 rifle, $70 optic. Makes sense. I was wonder about it too. Even looks like a LT mount...which would cost twice the optic Well... this is exactly the 10th time people wondered about my setup. Yes, that's a LT751, I really wanted that mount b/c of the way it looks, there were no substitute, ie clones. Rent payment, College/Grad school tuition, and my enjoyment of shooting a lot are killing my wallet... with the limited amount of money I have, I rather buy ammo and guns. What's wrong with the PA Micro? It's 1/9 the price of a T1, and it serves me well. Again, I much rather spend the money on ammo so I can get plenty of trigger time with my SR15 Mod1 Also, you guys should be worried about me shooting steel case ammo along with brass cased ammo DPMS Sportical does the same thing as a KAC but for 1/4 of the price. Why not just buy one and spend the remaining $1500 on ammo? See how that works? The sword cuts both ways. There are some places where you don't want to skimp out. Optics are one of those places. |
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DPMS Sportical does the same thing as a KAC but for 1/4 of the price. Why not just buy one and spend the remaining $1500 on ammo? See how that works? The sword cuts both ways. There are some places where you don't want to skimp out. Optics are one of those places. Quoted:
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Get the SR15, it is definitely the better rifle. I was also struggling to decide between the Jack or the SR couple months back and I went with the SR. I actually bought another SR15 Mod1 only 1 week after I got my first.... which is saying a lot. The SR's E3 bolt has an incredible record of durability, no one has heard or seen a broken E3 bolt. If you need more persuasion you can read/watch my review of the SR15 Mod1 <a href="https://flic.kr/p/nE17ZN" target="_blank">https://farm6.staticflickr.com/5524/14213542512_107cc2c44d_b.jpg</a> <a href="https://flic.kr/p/nnHGFS" target="_blank">https://farm6.staticflickr.com/5039/14029275008_d8303b2428_b.jpg</a> <a href="https://flic.kr/p/nFZMhF" target="_blank">https://farm6.staticflickr.com/5545/14236109203_946a81bbcc_b.jpg</a> <a href="https://flic.kr/p/nnHJh8" target="_blank">https://farm6.staticflickr.com/5160/14029280359_d5b20c724f_b.jpg</a> <a href="https://flic.kr/p/nE4Gyq" target="_blank">https://farm6.staticflickr.com/5120/14214240752_f97babf172_b.jpg</a> <a href="https://flic.kr/p/nnMjXU" target="_blank">https://farm6.staticflickr.com/5075/14029982378_a8859c737a_b.jpg</a> $2,000 rifle, $70 optic. Makes sense. I was wonder about it too. Even looks like a LT mount...which would cost twice the optic Well... this is exactly the 10th time people wondered about my setup. Yes, that's a LT751, I really wanted that mount b/c of the way it looks, there were no substitute, ie clones. Rent payment, College/Grad school tuition, and my enjoyment of shooting a lot are killing my wallet... with the limited amount of money I have, I rather buy ammo and guns. What's wrong with the PA Micro? It's 1/9 the price of a T1, and it serves me well. Again, I much rather spend the money on ammo so I can get plenty of trigger time with my SR15 Mod1 Also, you guys should be worried about me shooting steel case ammo along with brass cased ammo DPMS Sportical does the same thing as a KAC but for 1/4 of the price. Why not just buy one and spend the remaining $1500 on ammo? See how that works? The sword cuts both ways. There are some places where you don't want to skimp out. Optics are one of those places. Ummm, no. Not even close. |
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$2,000 rifle, $70 optic. Makes sense. I was wonder about it too. Even looks like a LT mount...which would cost twice the optic Well... this is exactly the 10th time people wondered about my setup. Yes, that's a LT751, I really wanted that mount b/c of the way it looks, there were no substitute, ie clones. Rent payment, College/Grad school tuition, and my enjoyment of shooting a lot are killing my wallet... with the limited amount of money I have, I rather buy ammo and guns. What's wrong with the PA Micro? It's 1/9 the price of a T1, and it serves me well. Again, I much rather spend the money on ammo so I can get plenty of trigger time with my SR15 Mod1 Also, you guys should be worried about me shooting steel case ammo along with brass cased ammo DPMS Sportical does the same thing as a KAC but for 1/4 of the price. Why not just buy one and spend the remaining $1500 on ammo? See how that works? The sword cuts both ways. There are some places where you don't want to skimp out. Optics are one of those places. Ummm, no. Not even close. Quality rifles deserve quality optics. How is that wrong? I'm sure a budget PA optic works fine for the range, but if I'm buying a top notch rifle that I would trust my life to, then I want a quality optic that I would trust likewise. Can a PA be turned on for 5 years straight? Can you throw it off a cliff and it still hold a zero? Is it NVG compatible? That's the kind of stuff I'm looking for in an optic for a high end defensive rifle. |
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Quality rifles deserve quality optics. How is that wrong? I'm sure a budget PA optic works fine for the range, but if I'm buying a top notch rifle that I would trust my life to, then I want a quality optic that I would trust likewise. Can a PA be turned on for 5 years straight? Can you throw it off a cliff and it still hold a zero? Is it NVG compatible? That's the kind of stuff I'm looking for in an optic for a high end defensive rifle. Sounds like he bought the best rifle he could, and is using more money on ammo. Rifle has quality irons, so he is good to go. If I had to bet, I'd say he will probably upgrade when he can. |
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Sounds like he bought the best rifle he could, and is using more money on ammo. Rifle has quality irons, so he is good to go. If I had to bet, I'd say he will probably upgrade when he can. Quoted:
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Quality rifles deserve quality optics. How is that wrong? I'm sure a budget PA optic works fine for the range, but if I'm buying a top notch rifle that I would trust my life to, then I want a quality optic that I would trust likewise. Can a PA be turned on for 5 years straight? Can you throw it off a cliff and it still hold a zero? Is it NVG compatible? That's the kind of stuff I'm looking for in an optic for a high end defensive rifle. Sounds like he bought the best rifle he could, and is using more money on ammo. Rifle has quality irons, so he is good to go. If I had to bet, I'd say he will probably upgrade when he can. He better do it before he throws it off a cliff. |
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Sounds like he bought the best rifle he could, and is using more money on ammo. Rifle has quality irons, so he is good to go. If I had to bet, I'd say he will probably upgrade when he can. Quoted:
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Quality rifles deserve quality optics. How is that wrong? I'm sure a budget PA optic works fine for the range, but if I'm buying a top notch rifle that I would trust my life to, then I want a quality optic that I would trust likewise. Can a PA be turned on for 5 years straight? Can you throw it off a cliff and it still hold a zero? Is it NVG compatible? That's the kind of stuff I'm looking for in an optic for a high end defensive rifle. Sounds like he bought the best rifle he could, and is using more money on ammo. Rifle has quality irons, so he is good to go. If I had to bet, I'd say he will probably upgrade when he can. Exactly.... Thank you for backing me up, some people just don't understand with us 'poor' guys with limited funds there will be priorities. It wouldn't make sense to have a car with tons of upgrades/gadgets on it and no gas for it to digest. For me, again, I prefer buying a quality rifle and have plenty of practice with the rifle before finding THE optic I want for the rifle. I really do want a T1, but the price is putting me off, hence why I have a substitute, a PA Micro. Would love to get a T1, or ACOG, or Elcan..... but guns and ammo always comes first IMO 
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For me, again, I prefer buying a quality rifle and have plenty of practice with the rifle before finding THE optic I want for the rifle. I really do want a T1, but the price is putting me off, hence why I have a substitute, a PA Micro. Would love to get a T1, or ACOG, or Elcan..... but guns and ammo always comes first IMO I can dig that... Optics won't be banned anytime soon As for the OP, Knight's all the way |
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Pick sr15, i have a mod1 with a ta31rco. Also had the sr15 IWS
For the side topic: there's nothing wrong with buying a PA optic for the knights especially at the sake of proficiency given his circumstances. a T1 can always be an option down the line, he already got the rifle right the first time :) |
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Exactly.... Thank you for backing me up, some people just don't understand with us 'poor' guys with limited funds there will be priorities. It wouldn't make sense to have a car with tons of upgrades/gadgets on it and no gas for it to digest. For me, again, I prefer buying a quality rifle and have plenty of practice with the rifle before finding THE optic I want for the rifle. I really do want a T1, but the price is putting me off, hence why I have a substitute, a PA Micro. Would love to get a T1, or ACOG, or Elcan..... but guns and ammo always comes first IMO Quoted:
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Quality rifles deserve quality optics. How is that wrong? I'm sure a budget PA optic works fine for the range, but if I'm buying a top notch rifle that I would trust my life to, then I want a quality optic that I would trust likewise. Can a PA be turned on for 5 years straight? Can you throw it off a cliff and it still hold a zero? Is it NVG compatible? That's the kind of stuff I'm looking for in an optic for a high end defensive rifle. Sounds like he bought the best rifle he could, and is using more money on ammo. Rifle has quality irons, so he is good to go. If I had to bet, I'd say he will probably upgrade when he can. Exactly.... Thank you for backing me up, some people just don't understand with us 'poor' guys with limited funds there will be priorities. It wouldn't make sense to have a car with tons of upgrades/gadgets on it and no gas for it to digest. For me, again, I prefer buying a quality rifle and have plenty of practice with the rifle before finding THE optic I want for the rifle. I really do want a T1, but the price is putting me off, hence why I have a substitute, a PA Micro. Would love to get a T1, or ACOG, or Elcan..... but guns and ammo always comes first IMO Poor guys dont buy a KAC. I suppose this is a matter of differing priorities. I would rather have a quality optic as soon as possible than to buy a cheap one and buy a good one later on. If that means buying a $1500 rifle instead of a $2000 rifle, then so be it. I bought my T1 before I even bought my upper, but then again I want something that I can trust my life to, not a range toy. And FWIW, this is coming from a college student with no form of income. |
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Poor guys dont buy a KAC. I suppose this is a matter of differing priorities. I would rather have a quality optic as soon as possible than to buy a cheap one and buy a good one later on. If that means buying a $1500 rifle instead of a $2000 rifle, then so be it. I bought my T1 before I even bought my upper, but then again I want something that I can trust my life to, not a range toy. And FWIW, this is coming from a college student with no form of income. Quoted:
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Quality rifles deserve quality optics. How is that wrong? I'm sure a budget PA optic works fine for the range, but if I'm buying a top notch rifle that I would trust my life to, then I want a quality optic that I would trust likewise. Can a PA be turned on for 5 years straight? Can you throw it off a cliff and it still hold a zero? Is it NVG compatible? That's the kind of stuff I'm looking for in an optic for a high end defensive rifle. Sounds like he bought the best rifle he could, and is using more money on ammo. Rifle has quality irons, so he is good to go. If I had to bet, I'd say he will probably upgrade when he can. Exactly.... Thank you for backing me up, some people just don't understand with us 'poor' guys with limited funds there will be priorities. It wouldn't make sense to have a car with tons of upgrades/gadgets on it and no gas for it to digest. For me, again, I prefer buying a quality rifle and have plenty of practice with the rifle before finding THE optic I want for the rifle. I really do want a T1, but the price is putting me off, hence why I have a substitute, a PA Micro. Would love to get a T1, or ACOG, or Elcan..... but guns and ammo always comes first IMO Poor guys dont buy a KAC. I suppose this is a matter of differing priorities. I would rather have a quality optic as soon as possible than to buy a cheap one and buy a good one later on. If that means buying a $1500 rifle instead of a $2000 rifle, then so be it. I bought my T1 before I even bought my upper, but then again I want something that I can trust my life to, not a range toy. And FWIW, this is coming from a college student with no form of income. I am sure your life is soooooo much more protected now that you went with an Aimpoint over a PA. What combat zone are you deployed in again? I suppose if I paid $600+ for an optic I'd justfiy it equally... "I want something I can trust my life with" Thats always the battle cry. I could see if you were talking about some completely unknock ebay model. PA has a proven track record with many users. It's far from a range toy. |
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