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[ARCHIVED THREAD] - 600 yards..No Problem! (Page 1 of 2)
Posted: 6/17/2014 4:17:47 PM EDT
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Thanks guys but I really wasn't saying how good I was which I'm not even close to even the good shooters, I was just impressed that the 16" AR could do that well.
Before I even went there I heard horror stories that some guys with AR's couldn't even hit the target and sometimes were hitting the target next to theirs. Just happy and wanted to share. 
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With the proper data, getting hitsyou could even get hits out to 800. I don't personally know anyone that has tried past that mark and I'm pretty sure that's out of range of the effectiveness of the cartridge anytways but, I sure as heck don't want to be hit with it. 
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Decided to go out to the distance range today and try out my Jack Carbine at the 400 yard range but all the guys there wanted to shoot 600 yards so I said OK. Well it took me 3 shots to get on paper(shooting way low with 100yd zero) and then proceeded to put 8 rounds within the 8 ring and that was with an 12mph wind from the east. I was shooting Nosler 77gr HPBT 223 ammo so until I find something better, I guess that will be my go-to ammo until I can come up with a good recipe for loading my own. Here's a pic of what we were shooting at but I marked the targets in orange so you could see them. Oh, my optics was a Burris Timberline 14x which is a pretty good scope but not really for 600yds. <a href="http://s974.photobucket.com/user/MyOwnStuff/media/Guns-N-Ammo/At%20The%20Range/600ydView_zpsd5e8093a.jpg.html" target="_blank">http://i974.photobucket.com/albums/ae229/MyOwnStuff/Guns-N-Ammo/At%20The%20Range/600ydView_zpsd5e8093a.jpg</a> I would have been happy just hitting the 3' x 3' paper anywhere! If it isn't broken, don't fix it. That ammo works well with your rifle and your particular shooting style... |
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I just went to the range to stretch my jack carbines leg's at the 600. Alas my range won't let you use the 600m range without qualifing with a 2 inch group at 100m on a orange sticky. I couldn't get my group on the sticky  .Sounds like your range is either fuddy bench shooters, or super tactical former "snipers". Also sounds like you need a new range. |
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Sounds like your range is either fuddy bench shooters, or super tactical former "snipers". Also sounds like you need a new range. Ditto, I have a 600 yard range near me that has some goofy qualifying rules also. I avoid the place like the plague. When I went to check on the place there were some local police snipers working the 600 yard range. During a cease fire when several of the LEO's were down range there was one LEO at the bench handling his rifle  . Made up my mind that I did not want to be there when they were.
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Ditto, I have a 600 yard range near me that has some goofy qualifying rules also. I avoid the place like the plague. When I went to check on the place there were some local police snipers working the 600 yard range. During a cease fire when several of the LEO's were down range there was one LEO at the bench handling his rifle . Made up my mind that I did not want to be there when they were.
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Sounds like your range is either fuddy bench shooters, or super tactical former "snipers". Also sounds like you need a new range. Ditto, I have a 600 yard range near me that has some goofy qualifying rules also. I avoid the place like the plague. When I went to check on the place there were some local police snipers working the 600 yard range. During a cease fire when several of the LEO's were down range there was one LEO at the bench handling his rifle . Made up my mind that I did not want to be there when they were.
Vince Not everyone is grand master marksmen, many place themselves in a upper tier precision shooter bracket that they don't belong in. "goofy" range rules are to discourage the AR 14.5" SBR shit talking internet commando monkeys who can't even hit the black at 100 yards, from coming out and dropping .223 bullits into the dirt 200 yards in front of the 600 yd. target. At my range you incramentally qualify out to 600. First 300, then 500, then 600. If your ready you need to prove it with competence both rifle and doping skills. |
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Not everyone is grand master marksmen, many place themselves in a upper tier precision shooter bracket that they don't belong in. "goofy" range rules are to discourage the AR 14.5" SBR shit talking internet commando monkeys who can't even hit the black at 100 yards, from coming out and dropping .223 bullits into the dirt 200 yards in front of the 600 yd. target. At my range you incramentally qualify out to 600. First 300, then 500, then 600. If your ready you need to prove it with competence both rifle and doping skills. Man, I'm glad my AR is 16" or I'd be in that group of monkeys!
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| If I'm shooting on the bench I only put in one round at a time because my AR has a very light trigger and I sometimes have gotten a "bump-fire" with 2 or 3 rounds. Doesn't do good for grouping when it does that plus it just wastes the ammo. Our range does have a couple rules like you must be zeroed in at least 200 yards already plus if you do have a magazine, only 3 rounds are allowed max. If I want to squeeze off 30 rounds or more in a couple seconds, I just go to the machine gun shoots. |
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If I'm shooting on the bench I only put in one round at a time because my AR has a very light trigger and I sometimes have gotten a "bump-fire" with 2 or 3 rounds. Doesn't do good for grouping when it does that plus it just wastes the ammo. Our range does have a couple rules like you must be zeroed in at least 200 yards already plus if you do have a magazine, only 3 rounds are allowed max. If I want to squeeze off 30 rounds or more in a couple seconds, I just go to the machine gun shoots. Good info. My club is currently revising a draft for it's 600 yd rules. They are trying to compromise and define a safe and practical rifle and caliber minimum. They are contemplating a .223 / 20" barrel minimum which obviously would prohibit your typical M4/M16 type AR-15's. Problem is you are then restricting the truly competent qualified 600 yard shooters to not be able to use said rifle. Every rule has pro's and con's. I'll bring up your comment at our next 600 yd range meeting. |
| Limiting types of rifles would be bad I would think just because you're implying that the "banned" ones are no good. At our range we only have I believe about 10 or so long range shooters so we need as many as we can get. Now if your range has more shooters then maybe have days for certain rifles or any rifles, that way everyone gets to shoot. |
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There is a range near me that has those requirements plus they do not allow magazines over 10 rounds. The 10 round magazine is a new requirement after an AR monkey ripped off a 30 rounder as fast as he could pull the trigger....thanks monkey.
Vince I rip off 30 round mags as fast as I can pull the trigger all the time at my range...Because my range isn't run by Communists. |
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The range I go to you only have to have your rifle zeroed in at 200 yards, then you can go to the "BIG" range.
They do have two range officers there though at all times and no one is allowed to shoot unless there is an officer there. Proper way to battle zero an M4 is 25 and 300 m. 
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Had a good day at the 600 today with my reloads which was my main purpose in the long run. After taking two shots to get zeroed in I was able to put the rest of the 18 rounds within the 9 & 10 rings and even hit the X a few times. For me that's good enough and for my AR.
I may go a couple more times just to make sure I have the correct recipe but then I'll go back to the 100 range for fun. |
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Just got finished going through the target and thought I'd let you guys that wanted to see the target before. This target here was from my last visit but disregard the hits marked out in red(those were at 400 yards and then the hits above the X was me zeroing in. The ones mostly below the X are at 600 yards using different loads I came up with. I'm happy with the results even though it's no winner by any means. <a href="http://s974.photobucket.com/user/MyOwnStuff/media/Guns-N-Ammo/At%20The%20Range/Multi1_zps7ba05e85.jpg.html" target="_blank">http://i974.photobucket.com/albums/ae229/MyOwnStuff/Guns-N-Ammo/At%20The%20Range/Multi1_zps7ba05e85.jpg</a> Don't know how to figure out the MOA but I think it's below 3 MOA for 600. <a href="http://s974.photobucket.com/user/MyOwnStuff/media/Guns-N-Ammo/At%20The%20Range/Multi2_zps8e8a4960.jpg.html" target="_blank">http://i974.photobucket.com/albums/ae229/MyOwnStuff/Guns-N-Ammo/At%20The%20Range/Multi2_zps8e8a4960.jpg</a> If that circled group is at 600 yds then thats 1/2 MOA.... |
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Sounds like your range is either fuddy bench shooters, or super tactical former "snipers". Also sounds like you need a new range. Quoted:
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I just went to the range to stretch my jack carbines leg's at the 600. Alas my range won't let you use the 600m range without qualifing with a 2 inch group at 100m on a orange sticky. I couldn't get my group on the sticky .Sounds like your range is either fuddy bench shooters, or super tactical former "snipers". Also sounds like you need a new range. My local range only goes to 300 but even for that they make you qualify with a 2 moa group at 100. Part of me thinks that's pretty ridiculous, but then depending on the surrounding area I can see where it makes sense to do something like that so you don't have jack offs going out there with a new rifle and spraying rounds all over the place. |
| Good shooting for 600 yards. the furthest I have shot was 1K with my match RR Arms 20 inch 1/8 twist barrel with single load 80 grain bullets that I used for NRA matches. Shot good at 600 but was able to get the 1K range so dialed in a scope I had for the rifle to work up loads and finally got some hits with help from a good spotter and managed to keep 10 shots on a 6'x6' target board. No wind then the wind picked up and groups strung out. |
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Thanks guys but I really wasn't saying how good I was which I'm not even close to even the good shooters, I was just impressed that the 16" AR could do that well. Before I even went there I heard horror stories that some guys with AR's couldn't even hit the target and sometimes were hitting the target next to theirs. Just happy and wanted to share. Doesn't the Jack have a 14.5 barrel? Either way, great shooting, OP! |
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Good info. My club is currently revising a draft for it's 600 yd rules. They are trying to compromise and define a safe and practical rifle and caliber minimum. They are contemplating a .223 / 20" barrel minimum which obviously would prohibit your typical M4/M16 type AR-15's. Problem is you are then restricting the truly competent qualified 600 yard shooters to not be able to use said rifle. Every rule has pro's and con's. I'll bring up your comment at our next 600 yd range meeting. Quoted:
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If I'm shooting on the bench I only put in one round at a time because my AR has a very light trigger and I sometimes have gotten a "bump-fire" with 2 or 3 rounds. Doesn't do good for grouping when it does that plus it just wastes the ammo. Our range does have a couple rules like you must be zeroed in at least 200 yards already plus if you do have a magazine, only 3 rounds are allowed max. If I want to squeeze off 30 rounds or more in a couple seconds, I just go to the machine gun shoots. Good info. My club is currently revising a draft for it's 600 yd rules. They are trying to compromise and define a safe and practical rifle and caliber minimum. They are contemplating a .223 / 20" barrel minimum which obviously would prohibit your typical M4/M16 type AR-15's. Problem is you are then restricting the truly competent qualified 600 yard shooters to not be able to use said rifle. Every rule has pro's and con's. I'll bring up your comment at our next 600 yd range meeting. That's a terrible idea, my rra 16" bull barrel is plenty capable of the distance... Proper optics and my reloads were sub moa capable (proved it in the arfcom 1moa all day thread). And I know many many other 16" are capable too... May not be up to the high end precision standards, but for an AR it holds its own... |
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Doesn't the Jack have a 14.5 barrel? Either way, great shooting, OP! Quoted:
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Thanks guys but I really wasn't saying how good I was which I'm not even close to even the good shooters, I was just impressed that the 16" AR could do that well. Before I even went there I heard horror stories that some guys with AR's couldn't even hit the target and sometimes were hitting the target next to theirs. Just happy and wanted to share. Doesn't the Jack have a 14.5 barrel? Either way, great shooting, OP! Hahaha, yes it is! Awesome shooting OP! I love proving to the Fudd's, (actually nice older guys at my club in their 60's that got into AR's maybe 5 years ago), that a 16" Recce is 95% as capable as their custom boutique, (13lb), 24" bull barreled AR @ 400 yards and closer. One Fudd, who I'm close friends with actually at the next bench said to his son about my Recce while setting up: "That is what you call a PDW,,,, personal defense weapon." I looked, laughed a little, and asked him to call my shots. 10 rounds later he was smiling in disbelief as to the results. You should have seen the looks I got with my 14.5" Spikes standard profile (pencil barrel) AR with a Troy buis and standard FSB, (no optics.) Oh the travesty... Then I shoot, they lighten up a lot, then want to know what hand loads I'm using (60% of the time its Federal XM193.) Then they shoot and handle it and a month or two later they have one in their rifle case. Pretty cool enlightening them and changing attitudes actually! |
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That's a terrible idea, my rra 16" bull barrel is plenty capable of the distance... Proper optics and my reloads were sub moa capable (proved it in the arfcom 1moa all day thread). And I know many many other 16" are capable too... May not be up to the high end precision standards, but for an AR it holds its own... Quoted:
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If I'm shooting on the bench I only put in one round at a time because my AR has a very light trigger and I sometimes have gotten a "bump-fire" with 2 or 3 rounds. Doesn't do good for grouping when it does that plus it just wastes the ammo. Our range does have a couple rules like you must be zeroed in at least 200 yards already plus if you do have a magazine, only 3 rounds are allowed max. If I want to squeeze off 30 rounds or more in a couple seconds, I just go to the machine gun shoots. Good info. My club is currently revising a draft for it's 600 yd rules. They are trying to compromise and define a safe and practical rifle and caliber minimum. They are contemplating a .223 / 20" barrel minimum which obviously would prohibit your typical M4/M16 type AR-15's. Problem is you are then restricting the truly competent qualified 600 yard shooters to not be able to use said rifle. Every rule has pro's and con's. I'll bring up your comment at our next 600 yd range meeting. That's a terrible idea, my rra 16" bull barrel is plenty capable of the distance... Proper optics and my reloads were sub moa capable (proved it in the arfcom 1moa all day thread). And I know many many other 16" are capable too... May not be up to the high end precision standards, but for an AR it holds its own... That's some stupid closed minded Fudd shit right there! Zeat; I agree. |
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