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Posted: 5/21/2014 12:26:18 PM EDT
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Take it easy on me I'm new. I just wanted to know what thoughts were on JP enterprises rifles and if my choice seems logical.
I bought my first 5.56 rifle last year, a Ruger 556FB and then picked up a SCAR 16 shortly thereafter. For whatever reason, I thought that I really wanted to stick with piston rifles. Not the point of my post. Anyhow, they are both nice, I upgraded both with Geissele triggers and a lot of the usual upgrades. NO, I didn't put a ton of junk on the rails, I mean stocks, sling attachments, etc. I put a TA33 on the Ruger and a T1 on the SCAR. Like playing with LEGOS, lots of fun. These rifles scratched my itch and sparked my interest, but also revealed to me that the piston rifles are heavy. They are super pleasant to shoot though and I love the SCAR for the most part. Anyhow, I have scheduled a carbine class and plan to take more. I have done some pistol training and shotgun and those classes are super fun. BUT, recently I realized or came to the conclusion that I want an AR for classes and recreational shooting. I'd like it to be lightweight, but also pleasant to shoot. I have interest in the local 3 gun matches and may go to a few as a spectator this Summer, but could also see wanting to give that a shot. I feel like those purposes are divergent to a certain extent, but thought I could find a rifle that may be a doall. Initially, I looked at Larue for a PredatAR, but the wait is a year. I am willing to wait, but wanted to maybe see the rifle this year. I looked at Noveske too, but their name carried such a premium, plus the availability wasn't great and I felt like it would be difficult to find EXACTLY what I wanted. So, I started looking at JP enterprises and their rifles look amazing. I "reallocated" funds from other hobbies and ordered a JP-15, all in black, 18" stainless light barrel, JP standard comp, heat dissipator, 15.5" hand guard, 3.5 lb enhanced reliability trigger, CTR stock, LMOS BCG, Syrac Gen II gas block, JP captured spring. I loved the way I got to pick exactly what I wanted. Should weigh 7.3 lbs I am told. I guess I am just looking for reassurance, because I don't see a lot of anything positive about JP now that I start looking. I would assume it's because it's more of a competition manufacturer and doesn't have the following from true tactical users? I know this rifle is setup less for reliability and more for competition, but it should do what I want right? OR, is this going to be another rifle like the Ruger where I end up wanting something else, because it's kindof a niche product. I could always change out the LMOS for the full mass BCG and change to a flash hider to convert it to a more tactical setup right? Hit...?.... or miss? |
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I've only bought a few things from JP over the years, everything i got from them was top notch.
They make a vtac Kyle Lamb rifle that seems like it would fit what you're looking for. I personally like the LE versions. Their other rifles even though works of artistic engineering don't fit my style. I've shot a few they all ran beautifully. You made a great choice IM0 |
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I honestly don't know much about them, but what little I have heard has all been good. I think you'll be fine and made a good choice.
ETA: you've already scratched the itch, it's inevitable now. You're going to want to buy another AR eventually. BCM and Daniel Defense are a couple of good alternatives if you're looking for something different down the road. |
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I looked at the VTAC JP, which is funny you mention it as that was the whole reason I found JP, and it seemed to be pretty close to what I was looking for, but I couldn't get it in the 18" barrel. Why do I want an 18" barrel? Because it gets me the rifle length gas system, which coupled with the adjustable gas block and LMOS, should make for a very soft recoil. (So I read online at least - none of this is my own thought or experience). Then I added the heat diffuser and captured buffer spring for the hell of it. After ordering I simply got a little concerned because I don't find a lot of info on JP rifles from users.
I know, by now, I will want another AR! Probably a more tactical style one as opposed to a compromise. I really like the looks of the Daniel Defense M4 v7, think BCM looks good, but couldn't pin down a model I would want, and I would still really like to own a Larue, so I may order one and wait it out! I am also interested in what all the hype is about Noveseke. |
| I've been using their stuff for the last six years. No issues, at all. A lot of people are dismissive of them because they cater to the competition crowd, and are priced a little higher. Many of them believe that if it isn't mil-spec, it can't possibly be reliable. |
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I just bought a Lifer upper and lower from ARF.
It will get a JP barrel, trigger, bolt and carrier, heat dis. hand guard, and capture spring, as well as jps adjustable gas block. Have not decided on stock or hand grip, but probably magpul. I have JP triggers in 2 rifles, and they are the shit, imo. Break like glass every time, and never a problem. TXL |
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I just bought a Lifer upper and lower from ARF. It will get a JP barrel, trigger, bolt and carrier, heat dis. hand guard, and capture spring, as well as jps adjustable gas block. Have not decided on stock or hand grip, but probably magpul. I have JP triggers in 2 rifles, and they are the shit, imo. Break like glass every time, and never a problem. TXL There are special uppers and lowers for life members? 
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I just bought a Lifer upper and lower from ARF. It will get a JP barrel, trigger, bolt and carrier, heat dis. hand guard, and capture spring, as well as jps adjustable gas block. Have not decided on stock or hand grip, but probably magpul. I have JP triggers in 2 rifles, and they are the shit, imo. Break like glass every time, and never a problem. TXL There are special uppers and lowers for life members? It's just the standard arf combo with 4 bronze stars on it. TXL |
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I have damn near the same gun and its the best AR I have. Rest assured that JP is top notch. Can't tell you how much I love this gun. So, you are running the LMOS? How is that or what I mean to say is describe your observations please.? I won't ask the pointless and ubiquitous, "Is it worth it?" Just does it have a different character. Overall it lightens the rifle quite a bit. The instructions for it state that you should lube it every 200-300 rounds. That's a lot of shooting for me, probably not most users here, and well,.. easy enough, but they also suggest keeping a spare bolt carrier for backup, maybe even a FMOS. It says, "can be switched out in minutes." Sure even I know how to do that, but on this rifle, your are going to have to adjust your gas and then isn't your buffer weight going to need to go up too? Plus you have a mere $400+ in cost for the spare! I guess you wouldn't have to use their BCG? Is the BCG mil spec on that rifle? Boy, this is a lot of questions. |
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So, you are running the LMOS? How is that or what I mean to say is describe your observations please.? I won't ask the pointless and ubiquitous, "Is it worth it?" Just does it have a different character. Overall it lightens the rifle quite a bit. The point of the LMOS is not to lighten the rifle. It is to reduce the reciprocating mass. A properly tuned JP rifle with a comp, LMOS carrier and buffer, or carrier and captive spring, will exhibit dramatically reduced recoil. They don't need any more lube than a typical AR. If you use halfway decent ammo, reliability will be 100%. |
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The point of the LMOS is not to lighten the rifle. It is to reduce the reciprocating mass. A properly tuned JP rifle with a comp, LMOS carrier and buffer, or carrier and captive spring, will exhibit dramatically reduced recoil. They don't need any more lube than a typical AR. If you use halfway decent ammo, reliability will be 100%. Quoted:
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So, you are running the LMOS? How is that or what I mean to say is describe your observations please.? I won't ask the pointless and ubiquitous, "Is it worth it?" Just does it have a different character. Overall it lightens the rifle quite a bit. The point of the LMOS is not to lighten the rifle. It is to reduce the reciprocating mass. A properly tuned JP rifle with a comp, LMOS carrier and buffer, or carrier and captive spring, will exhibit dramatically reduced recoil. They don't need any more lube than a typical AR. If you use halfway decent ammo, reliability will be 100%. First, let me say I appreciate your help and advice. Sounds good,... PLUS it's lighter! ;) I am used to low recoil impulse from my piston guns, I just want a rifle that doesn't weigh 9 pounds and make my back hurt like that Ruger does. I use WWB preferentially. Is that decent? Honest question. Paying for ammunition is not a big deal or a foreign concept to me. I've already paid for this rifle, which I was intending to use for carbine classes and MAYBE 3 gun, but ultimately, I am hearing that it is a great gaming gun. Maybe I went too far toward gaming and didn't stick to the middle ground like I wanted. I might have gone CTR if gaming was what I really wanted. Meh. If you want to do two different things with a rifle, I guess I'll have to get two different rifles or just use my Scar for carbine classes in the mean time. I don't like the idea of being the total amateur AR owner showing up with some fancy gaming gun to an AR class meant for defense or being the odd man running the Scar like a mall ninja. I detest the mall. Seeing that you are in IN...Have you ever been to RTT, Modern Defense Tactics, or IFTNRA? Those are the courses I am looking at this year, (IFTNRA scheduled next weekend) with maybe the Gunsite course next year. Perhaps this post should have been a PM. |
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WWB is just fine.
You did fine with the JP 15 instead of the CTR. The only difference is cost and fancy looking billet receivers on the CTR. The barrels and internals are identical. Your rifle will be great for either carbine classes or 3-gun. You just need to understand what you have got. The adjustable gas block is to tune the amount of gas going back into the rifle. The lower you turn it, the less the gun recoils. Turn it down too far, and you have a single shot. Tune your gas system at the end of a shooting session, with a hot and dirty gun. As long as you don't try to run the ragged edge of reliability, your rifle will be 100%. JP has a section on their website about tuning. Your rifle will probably come with instructions as well. That comp is great and effective. But loud. If you go to a carbine class, do your classmates a favor and swap it out for a flash hider. Swapping is no big deal, but understand that it will almost definitely change your zero. No big deal. If there is a long range portion at a carbine class, and you are a good marksman, expect to outshoot your peers. JP barrels are supremely accurate and most off the rack rifles of any make won't hang with them. Don't worry about showing up with a rifle that doesn't say colt or Daniel defense on the side, if you pay attention, follow instructions, shoot safely and we'll.... By the end of these day nobody will care. Those who do aren't worth a second thought. Lube your rifle like any other AR and it will run like a champ. I have not taken any of the courses you listed. I am an unabashed gamer and 3-gun is what I love to shoot. I would be happy to help a new shooter if you and I attend a match together. |
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WWB is just fine. You did fine with the JP 15 instead of the CTR. The only difference is cost and fancy looking billet receivers on the CTR. The barrels and internals are identical. Your rifle will be great for either carbine classes or 3-gun. You just need to understand what you have got. The adjustable gas block is to tune the amount of gas going back into the rifle. The lower you turn it, the less the gun recoils. Turn it down too far, and you have a single shot. Tune your gas system at the end of a shooting session, with a hot and dirty gun. As long as you don't try to run the ragged edge of reliability, your rifle will be 100%. JP has a section on their website about tuning. Your rifle will probably come with instructions as well. That comp is great and effective. But loud. If you go to a carbine class, do your classmates a favor and swap it out for a flash hider. Swapping is no big deal, but understand that it will almost definitely change your zero. No big deal. If there is a long range portion at a carbine class, and you are a good marksman, expect to outshoot your peers. JP barrels are supremely accurate and most off the rack rifles of any make won't hang with them. Don't worry about showing up with a rifle that doesn't say colt or Daniel defense on the side, if you pay attention, follow instructions, shoot safely and we'll.... By the end of these day nobody will care. Those who do aren't worth a second thought. Lube your rifle like any other AR and it will run like a champ. I have not taken any of the courses you listed. I am an unabashed gamer and 3-gun is what I love to shoot. I would be happy to help a new shooter if you and I attend a match together. I'd really appreciate that and I'd appreciate your help. I understand the gas system a little as the tech at JP described it to me. I like the idea of it. I was wondering about comps for carbine classes. I have PWS FSCs on both of our rifles right now. We have our first class this weekend. (Somehow I talked my wife into it as well after we had a blast with pistol and shotgun.) I am going to take my smith vortex and the ruger flash hiders along just in case, with some extra crush washers, but unless someone really complains, I'll likely leave them on. I am interested in 3 gun. I emailed Ryan Zambarlan about Indiana multigun and I plan to go out and spectate in Atlanta, for one of the matches to get an idea. I don't think that I'll ever be able to practice enough to be very competitive, but fun is my objective. My first run,.. safety and completion would be my main focus. I can't email you, as you have turned off emails, but if you don't mind email me and maybe we could exchange contact info. I am not some strange nut ball, just a middle aged dentist(although I think that may qualify me as strange!), with a wife and 2 kids who grew up hunting and now is interested in shooting. |
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