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Posted: 5/15/2014 3:52:35 PM EDT
I am waiting to get my Bushmaster XM-15, Patrolman from my FFL. I was startled to read on the net that Bushy closed up and is a new company owned by Remington with bad QC. Anyone know if the new Bushy are as good as the old ones?
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Don't always listen to the peanut gallery. Your bushmaster could run as flawless as someone's 2000$ rifle. If it doesn't, get rid of it I agree. I would only recommend that you first run known quality ammo and mags first to eliminate those variables first. I've seen it too many times where people I know buy new AR's from Bushy's to KAC's and buy the cheapest mags they can find on eBay and the shittiest ammo made on earth then blame the rifle for not functioning. To top it off, they usually run it bone dry with next to no lubrication. My first AR was a 2005 Bushmaster XM15 and I got 8K trouble free rounds out of it before I sold it. I know the new BM isn't the same company but, I feel that if you clean it well, lube it generously, and use good ammo and mags, then you shouldn't have any issues if the rifle was assembles properly cause ANY rifle not assembled correctly will have issues regardless of the name that's stamped on it. |
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It's all bullshit. Everyone likes to jump on the bushmaster bandwagon and sound like they're in the know. Besides management change over, I have yet to find irrefutable evidence on one year being better than the next. I agree here. I have owned two Bushmaster's and one complete upper. One was traded away for another non AR rifle years ago, and it never had problems. It would have been made in 05' or 06'. My 2nd I currently still have and again had no problems, I got that one in 09'. The BM upper I bought in 10' sits on a Spike's lower and it my favorite AR I've owned so far. Posted Via AR15.Com Mobile |
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It's all bullshit. Everyone likes to jump on the bushmaster bandwagon and sound like they're in the know. Besides management change over, I have yet to find irrefutable evidence on one year being better than the next. Agreed. I have a new Bushmaster and it's been good to me. Only gives me problems when I use bad ammo like Tula (failure to extract) and Federal brown box XM193 (3 blown primers in 3 mags  ).
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I like Tula...it has never given me issues whatsoever.  when ypu spend 800 plus in a rifle that thing should eat anything. JmoDepends on how you have it tuned... if you are running a rifle with an extended gas system, heavier buffers, different springs, whatever you do to make your rifle shoot smoothly, you can be kinda on the line of reliability and how smooth your rifle runs. So when you throw underpowered ammo (that you didn't design your rifle around) in it, it may cause a few issues. It depends on how you want your rifle to run. I personally don't shoot Tula but I like my rifles to be able to run it. ETA: I don't think bushys are designed for speed and smooth operation tho haha. OP, I doubt you will have any problems with the Bushmaster... I shot one for years and it was OK. Just learn how to troubleshoot and fix your rifle just incase something comes up... i doubt anything will. |
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I agree here. I have owned two Bushmaster's and one complete upper. One was traded away for another non AR rifle years ago, and it never had problems. It would have been made in 05' or 06'. My 2nd I currently still have and again had no problems, I got that one in 09'. The BM upper I bought in 10' sits on a Spike's lower and it my favorite AR I've owned so far. Posted Via AR15.Com Mobile Quoted:
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It's all bullshit. Everyone likes to jump on the bushmaster bandwagon and sound like they're in the know. Besides management change over, I have yet to find irrefutable evidence on one year being better than the next. I agree here. I have owned two Bushmaster's and one complete upper. One was traded away for another non AR rifle years ago, and it never had problems. It would have been made in 05' or 06'. My 2nd I currently still have and again had no problems, I got that one in 09'. The BM upper I bought in 10' sits on a Spike's lower and it my favorite AR I've owned so far. Posted Via AR15.Com Mobile after 2011 the BM Windham factory was closed and moved to NY. So anything made before that would be ok. I work at Cabela's as a hobby job, we carry both BM and Windham rifle, the post 2011 BM is not even close to what Windham offers. In the gun library once a while you see the Windham ME made XM15 BM, the fit and finish is on par with Mid level Ar |
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Quoted: It's all bullshit. Everyone likes to jump on the bushmaster bandwagon and sound like they're in the know. Besides management change over, I have yet to find irrefutable evidence on one year being better than the next. Luckygunner.com used Ilion Bushmasters in their Steel vs. Brass ammo test, and the Federal rifle saw 0 malfunctions in 10,000 rounds over the course of a few days. Also, the newer Bushmasters I've seen seem to be built properly. I wouldn't hesitate to recommend them anymore as long as you can inspect it in person. Most of anything that needs to be fixed, if anything, you can do yourself. |
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after 2011 the BM Windham factory was closed and moved to NY. So anything made before that would be ok. I work at Cabela's as a hobby job, we carry both BM and Windham rifle, the post 2011 BM is not even close to what Windham offers. In the gun library once a while you see the Windham ME made XM15 BM, the fit and finish is on par with Mid level Ar Quoted:
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It's all bullshit. Everyone likes to jump on the bushmaster bandwagon and sound like they're in the know. Besides management change over, I have yet to find irrefutable evidence on one year being better than the next. I agree here. I have owned two Bushmaster's and one complete upper. One was traded away for another non AR rifle years ago, and it never had problems. It would have been made in 05' or 06'. My 2nd I currently still have and again had no problems, I got that one in 09'. The BM upper I bought in 10' sits on a Spike's lower and it my favorite AR I've owned so far. Posted Via AR15.Com Mobile after 2011 the BM Windham factory was closed and moved to NY. So anything made before that would be ok. I work at Cabela's as a hobby job, we carry both BM and Windham rifle, the post 2011 BM is not even close to what Windham offers. In the gun library once a while you see the Windham ME made XM15 BM, the fit and finish is on par with Mid level Ar Try it and see. My opinion still remains. |
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It's all bullshit. Everyone likes to jump on the bushmaster bandwagon and sound like they're in the know. Besides management change over, I have yet to find irrefutable evidence on one year being better than the next. Here here! I agree, what the hell is the specific diffierence? 
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I am waiting to get my Bushmaster XM-15, Patrolman from my FFL. I was startled to read on the net that Bushy closed up and is a new company owned by Remington with bad QC. Anyone know if the new Bushy are as good as the old ones? The only line of Bushmasters I heard getting really bad reviews would be the Carbon15. Consequently, the Carbon15 and ORC models are the two most popular Bushmaster brands which seems to get the most heated reviews. The ORC is I believe the most sold AR15 during 2011 though I can't find any other information on what brands of ar15s are sold and where. Otherwise Bushmasters are just as good as any other manufacturer. Isn't Remington currently contracted by the military to make some M4s in the near future? I heard the Army's program allow them to buy brands other than Colt. I myself owned a Bushmaster Windham made version back in 06. I still have it but over the years all that remains is just the lower receiver. I since replaced everything on it and built two ARs with two different lowers. To me, Bushmaster seemed to be the best built lower to fit parts in. The top three stories that I hear about Bushmaster is the following. These stories seem to be repeated by everyone for some reason but in various formats and variations. I'm a bit skeptical for a few reasons. 1) Someone's friend of a friend of a friend ran a carbine course and it broke on them with a FTF and then the BCG snapped in two by the gas key. They threw it away and bought some other brand and are now happy. Thoughts: There's a lot of issue here such as ammo and so on. This story could mean something, but I think with so many variations of the story, people just say it to say it. 2) Someone had a PD where they all bought Bushmasters then discovered a ton of problems that Bushmaster didn't want to fix or fixed but the unknown issue still remains. After that, they threw it all away and bought new ones and now they never had any issues. Thoughts: The first problem with this story is PD are normally contracted with a manufacturer. Let's say they bought 5 ar15s from Bushmaster and contracted for parts for 5 years. Why would they spend all that money, discover issues, then switch brands without knowing what the issue was? This story stinks and makes very little sense in more ways than one. 3) Someone's friend of a friend of a friend who is a range officer normally clears guns at the range. He heard that the number one brand that jammed would be the Bushmaster. Thoughts: Could be true but then again with Bushmaster being a very popular ar to sell, it's entirely possible that a lot of people who want an ar15 are getting Bushmaster. So consequently, the issues may be in Bushmaster. Then again, the story makes very little sense to base your purchase. It's sort of like saying that a Jeep is the most towed car from offroaders who get stuck, so it must mean Jeeps are very bad cars to buy. Some popular complaints I heard about it which can all be fixed: 1) Poorly staked BCG at the gas key. Mine was staked properly and never had any issues. Not sure what model people are referring to and a few other Bushmaster I saw seemed to have well staked keys. 2) Commercial barrel with a 1/9 twist. Not really an issue if you shoot NATO or standard 55gr. My understanding is that Bushmaster likes to make the gas port a tad bit wider so you got a overgassed AR. Again not really an issue and can easily be fixed with either a new upper or swap of barrel. 3) Poorly staked Castle nut. Not really an issue but some people believe that the castle nut will come loose and somehow blow your rifle up. You can easily fix this if you want with a hammer and a nail bit. 4) Commercial stock. You're limited to the type of stocks you can put on a commercial receiver. Again not really an issue as you can easily swap out the tube and replace it with a mil spec one to fit a stock you wish. |
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I get a lot of answers, most saying Windom is "better" than Bushmaster. I have searched all over and cannot find a singe specific post to why it is better. Would someone be more specific? Other than minor cosmetic differences, all ARs are the same. They're ALL exactly the same. There are no brands, even the cheapo ones, that constantly have problems, and there are no expensive brands are 100% problem free. The $3000 rifles are REAL pretty and have real expensive components (but not at all functionally better then cheapos - with the exception of trigger sometimes), and the $500 ones are plain-Jane and might have a few rough spots. That's pretty much the deal. |
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Other than minor cosmetic differences, all ARs are the same. They're ALL exactly the same. There are no brands, even the cheapo ones, that constantly have problems, and there are no expensive brands are 100% problem free. The $3000 rifles are REAL pretty and have real expensive components (but not at all functionally better then cheapos - with the exception of trigger sometimes), and the $500 ones are plain-Jane and might have a few rough spots. That's pretty much the deal. Quoted:
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I get a lot of answers, most saying Windom is "better" than Bushmaster. I have searched all over and cannot find a singe specific post to why it is better. Would someone be more specific? Other than minor cosmetic differences, all ARs are the same. They're ALL exactly the same. There are no brands, even the cheapo ones, that constantly have problems, and there are no expensive brands are 100% problem free. The $3000 rifles are REAL pretty and have real expensive components (but not at all functionally better then cheapos - with the exception of trigger sometimes), and the $500 ones are plain-Jane and might have a few rough spots. That's pretty much the deal. FALSE FALSE FALSE dont listen to that guy.... some are 1:7 twist some have 1:9 twist some have chrome lined some have molychrome..some have forward assist and some do not.. some have dust covers and some do not..this guy doesn't k ow what he is talking about. All ARs are not the same by any means..unless you consider all cars the same too ? Is toyota the dame as kia ? Dumb answer |
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Quoted: Other than minor cosmetic differences, all ARs are the same. They're ALL exactly the same. There are no brands, even the cheapo ones, that constantly have problems, and there are no expensive brands are 100% problem free. The $3000 rifles are REAL pretty and have real expensive components (but not at all functionally better then cheapos - with the exception of trigger sometimes), and the $500 ones are plain-Jane and might have a few rough spots. That's pretty much the deal. Quoted: Quoted: I get a lot of answers, most saying Windom is "better" than Bushmaster. I have searched all over and cannot find a singe specific post to why it is better. Would someone be more specific? Other than minor cosmetic differences, all ARs are the same. They're ALL exactly the same. There are no brands, even the cheapo ones, that constantly have problems, and there are no expensive brands are 100% problem free. The $3000 rifles are REAL pretty and have real expensive components (but not at all functionally better then cheapos - with the exception of trigger sometimes), and the $500 ones are plain-Jane and might have a few rough spots. That's pretty much the deal. Insane. |
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Other than minor cosmetic differences, all ARs are the same. They're ALL exactly the same. There are no brands, even the cheapo ones, that constantly have problems, and there are no expensive brands are 100% problem free. The $3000 rifles are REAL pretty and have real expensive components (but not at all functionally better then cheapos - with the exception of trigger sometimes), and the $500 ones are plain-Jane and might have a few rough spots. That's pretty much the deal. Quoted:
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I get a lot of answers, most saying Windom is "better" than Bushmaster. I have searched all over and cannot find a singe specific post to why it is better. Would someone be more specific? Other than minor cosmetic differences, all ARs are the same. They're ALL exactly the same. There are no brands, even the cheapo ones, that constantly have problems, and there are no expensive brands are 100% problem free. The $3000 rifles are REAL pretty and have real expensive components (but not at all functionally better then cheapos - with the exception of trigger sometimes), and the $500 ones are plain-Jane and might have a few rough spots. That's pretty much the deal. You have to be joking... |
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I get a lot of answers, most saying Windom is "better" than Bushmaster. I have searched all over and cannot find a singe specific post to why it is better. Would someone be more specific? Other than minor cosmetic differences, all ARs are the same. They're ALL exactly the same. There are no brands, even the cheapo ones, that constantly have problems, and there are no expensive brands are 100% problem free. The $3000 rifles are REAL pretty and have real expensive components (but not at all functionally better then cheapos - with the exception of trigger sometimes), and the $500 ones are plain-Jane and might have a few rough spots. That's pretty much the deal. Insane. I agree. Many get their parts from the same company. Fools game. |
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Fwiw, my Bushmaster experiences..
1991. A bud bought a Bushy A2 upper assembly(11.5"+5.5") to be used on an OLD rough looking cast Bushy lower that I'd previously used for a few yrs with zero problems. Been shooting good ever since. Until the BCG from the upper assembly just recently had the gas key come loose and the rifle instantly became unreliable. Terrible staking. After tightening, it again is running smooth again. But I personally wouldn't trust it until its staked properly. Early 2009 I bought a new complete 16" M4 Patrolman model. Still have it. Altho the only original parts now are the buffer tube assembly, receivers and safety. Its been 100% reliable thru aprox 3.5k 55 and 62gr. 2/3s of that was while it was basically stock. Staking looked good on the BCG Fit and finish is as good as my Colt. Its been a great rifle so far. Again fwiw, the car analogy doesn't fly at all when comparing to ARs. All cars aren't made to basically 1 overall specific spec. Being the original M16/AR15. To be the same as cars, that would be like comparing ARs to AKs, or a Marlin lever action, or a double barrel shotgun, or a 10/22, etc. In comparison, my 1974 SP1(I bought it new in 78) will take the BCG from a 2014 Bushy with zero issues. Everything else too, sans the front takedown pin. Try that with a 1974 Buick engine moving it into a 2014 Corvette. As dumb as that sounds.. |
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Other than minor cosmetic differences, all ARs are the same. They're ALL exactly the same. There are no brands, even the cheapo ones, that constantly have problems, and there are no expensive brands are 100% problem free. The $3000 rifles are REAL pretty and have real expensive components (but not at all functionally better then cheapos - with the exception of trigger sometimes), and the $500 ones are plain-Jane and might have a few rough spots. That's pretty much the deal. Quoted:
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I get a lot of answers, most saying Windom is "better" than Bushmaster. I have searched all over and cannot find a singe specific post to why it is better. Would someone be more specific? Other than minor cosmetic differences, all ARs are the same. They're ALL exactly the same. There are no brands, even the cheapo ones, that constantly have problems, and there are no expensive brands are 100% problem free. The $3000 rifles are REAL pretty and have real expensive components (but not at all functionally better then cheapos - with the exception of trigger sometimes), and the $500 ones are plain-Jane and might have a few rough spots. That's pretty much the deal. If you would have said this about STRICTLY the upper and lower receivers by themselves, then I probably would have given you a pass on this comment. But the material that the barrels are made from (and how they are made) alone disproves your comment. ETA: You are however correct about no brand, even the expensive ones, being 100% problem free. The difference between the more expensive brands is their quality control, which usually results in far fewer problems leaving the factory than the cheaper brands with much poorer quality control. |
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