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Posted: 2/1/2014 10:49:44 AM EDT
| Ok guys I am new to all of this. I have already built my lower for 130.00 and it works great on my family's uppers. I now want to build an upper. I found blem uppers on PSA for 39.00 and a barrel on sportsman's guide for 100.00 and also on PSA, 79.00 for a ptac bolt group and carrier. the other pieces I have. Is thre any cheaper or is this about it? I dont need super accurate or chrome lined, I also dont shoot 1000's of rounds. I just want to see how cheap I can build one. Thanks in adavance for all your answers or comments even. |
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Can't beat the price of the complete PSA uppers if they have the barrel configuration that you want.
They have an upper for 279, BCG 129, you would just need to pick up a charging handle. You could even save a few bucks on the BCG from them if you were to go with the cheaper one. |
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just buy a complete PSA, not ptac upper on one of their sales Sorry for the highjack OP... What exactly is a P-tac upper from PSA? Are they blems, or factory seconds that they are just dumping a good prices? I'm hearing more complaints about them lately... Is P-tac PSA's house brand or what??? Thanks for the enlightenment... |
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Sorry for the highjack OP... What exactly is a P-tac upper from PSA? Are they blems, or factory seconds that they are just dumping a good prices? I'm hearing more complaints about them lately... Is P-tac PSA's house brand or what??? Thanks for the enlightenment... Quoted:
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just buy a complete PSA, not ptac upper on one of their sales Sorry for the highjack OP... What exactly is a P-tac upper from PSA? Are they blems, or factory seconds that they are just dumping a good prices? I'm hearing more complaints about them lately... Is P-tac PSA's house brand or what??? Thanks for the enlightenment... I'm not sure we know yet. PSA seems to distance themselves from this "other company" called PTAC, yet nobody else carries or sells PTAC products. I suspect it is a Toyota/Scion type relationship...where PTAC is a subsidiary of PSA (and technically a separate brand), but they are obviously two different quality products made with different parts. Personally, I think PTAC is just a way for PSA to sell cheap, non-milspec parts without dragging the PSA name through the mud. But I don't think it is working out like they hoped and now PTAC seems to be slowly disappearing from the site. |
| At the prices PSA sells their own I don't believe offering the ptac line was a particularly wise choice for them. Maybe they were getting their own seconds and using them as the ptac line up. That's just speculation on my part. Their own products are plenty budget friendly. No need to be selling bottom of the barrel junk. |
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At the prices PSA sells their own I don't believe offering the ptac line was a particularly wise choice for them. Maybe they were getting their own seconds and using them as the ptac line up. That's just speculation on my part. Their own products are plenty budget friendly. No need to be selling bottom of the barrel junk. Totally agree. And I hope PTAC goes away because it is ruining an otherwise good thing. Offering high quality parts at budget friendly prices was the business model that made them successful. Offering CHEAP, sub-par parts at CHEAP prices lowers the value of their entire brand IMHO. |
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Hey OP, be aware, you get what you pay for. Cheap rifles end up being problem rifles Visit the trouble shooting forum This. At the very least, spend the money on a good bcg and barrel. A lot of other things you can go cheap on. Also look for deals on used (good) parts in the EE. |
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This. At the very least, spend the money on a good bcg and barrel. A lot of other things you can go cheap on. Also look for deals on used (good) parts in the EE. Quoted:
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Hey OP, be aware, you get what you pay for. Cheap rifles end up being problem rifles Visit the trouble shooting forum This. At the very least, spend the money on a good bcg and barrel. A lot of other things you can go cheap on. Also look for deals on used (good) parts in the EE. Good advice. Barrel and bolt take the majority of the licks round after round. They intermate and need to be mated properly for smooth and reliable functioning. It may look simple, and the overall action of the bolt locking & unlocking is, but at the rate it occurs makes it hard if things aren't just right. Headspace is another area of primary concern also. This can be a major problem if not done properly. The difference in getting a questionable quality upper and a matched barrel/ Bolt combo is not going to cost that much more in the grand scheme of things. Worth noting also is the FSB alignment, gas key staking, etc, etc. |
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This. At the very least, spend the money on a good bcg and barrel. A lot of other things you can go cheap on. Also look for deals on used (good) parts in the EE. Quoted:
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Hey OP, be aware, you get what you pay for. Cheap rifles end up being problem rifles Visit the trouble shooting forum This. At the very least, spend the money on a good bcg and barrel. A lot of other things you can go cheap on. Also look for deals on used (good) parts in the EE. Truth!! If the barrel is not right, the rifle is not right. Most other things can be easily fixed. |
Just spend 2500 and get a god-slaying, auto-aiming, accuracy-enhancing tacticool noveske. Everything else is shit and made out of cardboard and will get soggy with one drop if water because it's not fully chromed inside and out. Make sure you get the chromed pistol grip!
C'mon. The "gotta be expensive to work" argument is dumb. Both a ford mustang GT and a BMW 330 turbo are fast, both get the job done. Difference: price. Luxury and brand-recognition. Does one company magically have the formula for carpenter 158 that another company doesn't? The revolutionary war was won by minutemen using average-quality muskets. The mujahideen drove the soviets out with cheap ass mass produced ak47s. Tthe Taliban in Afghanistan are giving our troops a good fight with old beat up rifles. |
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Just spend 2500 and get a god-slaying, auto-aiming, accuracy-enhancing tacticool noveske. Everything else is shit and made out of cardboard and will get soggy with one drop if water because it's not fully chromed inside and out. Make sure you get the chromed pistol grip!
C'mon. The "gotta be expensive to work" argument is dumb. Both a ford mustang GT and a BMW 330 turbo are fast, both get the job done. Difference: price. Luxury and brand-recognition. Does one company magically have the formula for carpenter 158 that another company doesn't? The revolutionary war was won by minutemen using average-quality muskets. The mujahideen drove the soviets out with cheap ass mass produced ak47s. Tthe Taliban in Afghanistan are giving our troops a good fight with old beat up rifles. And what exactly does getting a good quality barrel/ bolt combo for around $300 have to do with $2500 Noveski's? People can buy what they want. I have a PSA upper myself. It is quite good, but it is not their cheap one. That being said, I am confident I could build a better one for about the same. At the time i could have gotten by with bottom of the barrel but I read and researched what would meet my needs at a given level of performance. Cheap parts do make for interesting threads. |
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Quoted: Just spend 2500 and get a god-slaying, auto-aiming, accuracy-enhancing tacticool noveske. Everything else is shit and made out of cardboard and will get soggy with one drop if water because it's not fully chromed inside and out. Make sure you get the chromed pistol grip! C'mon. The "gotta be expensive to work" argument is dumb. Both a ford mustang GT and a BMW 330 turbo are fast, both get the job done. Difference: price. Luxury and brand-recognition. Does one company magically have the formula for carpenter 158 that another company doesn't? The revolutionary war was won by minutemen using average-quality muskets. The mujahideen drove the soviets out with cheap ass mass produced ak47s. Tthe Taliban in Afghanistan are giving our troops a good fight with old beat up rifles.  I didn't get that from the replies. I think they just wanted to state that a decent barrel & BCG could be had. Ironically, you were just bashing the shit out of DelTon. I am not sure what happened next, and then you had an angry post about it; I think yesterday. Did Delton come through, and now you are good to go with the cheaper options? |
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Quoted: C'mon. The "gotta be expensive to work" argument is dumb. http://www.ar15.com/forums/t_3_118/633405_My_AR15_is_choking_on_certain_ammo_types___please_help.html http://www.ar15.com/forums/t_7_127/1271674_You_will_probably_say_andquot__Sherlock_but_still___Del_Ton_company_review___1_5_stars.html |
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I actually posted responses to my thread, but it appears it has been moved/deleted.
Delton actually came through. It's the BCG that is somehow messed up: my Sig BCG works in both my Sig and the Delton, but the Delton BCG won't work in either. So I purchased a new BCG from DT and so far it's working great. Delton even gave me a refund to my card for the price of the BCG, saying it is actually covered under warranty. I finally spoke with a smith on the telephone and he told me that based on what I said, he believes the BCG was slightly out-of-spec, causing the hang-ups; sometimes, from whatever company, a bad one escapes once in awhile. Long story short, my bitching was premature, and I would like to recant it. :) |
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I'm not sure we know yet. PSA seems to distance themselves from this "other company" called PTAC, yet nobody else carries or sells PTAC products. I suspect it is a Toyota/Scion type relationship...where PTAC is a subsidiary of PSA (and technically a separate brand), but they are obviously two different quality products made with different parts. Personally, I think PTAC is just a way for PSA to sell cheap, non-milspec parts without dragging the PSA name through the mud. But I don't think it is working out like they hoped and now PTAC seems to be slowly disappearing from the site. Quoted:
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just buy a complete PSA, not ptac upper on one of their sales Sorry for the highjack OP... What exactly is a P-tac upper from PSA? Are they blems, or factory seconds that they are just dumping a good prices? I'm hearing more complaints about them lately... Is P-tac PSA's house brand or what??? Thanks for the enlightenment... I'm not sure we know yet. PSA seems to distance themselves from this "other company" called PTAC, yet nobody else carries or sells PTAC products. I suspect it is a Toyota/Scion type relationship...where PTAC is a subsidiary of PSA (and technically a separate brand), but they are obviously two different quality products made with different parts. Personally, I think PTAC is just a way for PSA to sell cheap, non-milspec parts without dragging the PSA name through the mud. But I don't think it is working out like they hoped and now PTAC seems to be slowly disappearing from the site. Good explanation. I kind of figured it was PSA's house brand/home brew but wasn't sure. Either way, fuck that noise. But thanks for clearing that up for me... |
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I actually posted responses to my thread, but it appears it has been moved/deleted. Delton actually came through. It's the BCG that is somehow messed up: my Sig BCG works in both my Sig and the Delton, but the Delton BCG won't work in either. So I purchased a new BCG from DT and so far it's working great. Delton even gave me a refund to my card for the price of the BCG, saying it is actually covered under warranty. I finally spoke with a smith on the telephone and he told me that based on what I said, he believes the BCG was slightly out-of-spec, causing the hang-ups; sometimes, from whatever company, a bad one escapes once in awhile. Long story short, my bitching was premature, and I would like to recant it. :) So what was that tirade of a post you posted about above about the rest of us basically being AR snobs about? Oh, I did see you haven't changed your user name yet. Does that mean that your not going to now? |
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Don't get pissy when your called out... Your post above I'm referring to was ridiculous. And you were the one the other day whining about wishing you had chose another user name... Do I need to post your quotes? Quoted:
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Exactly. Good reading skills ! Don't get pissy when your called out... Your post above I'm referring to was ridiculous. And you were the one the other day whining about wishing you had chose another user name... Do I need to post your quotes? I think we should get back to what the OP is asking or else this thread is going to get way off course. Buying the cheapest possible parts you can find is usually not the way to go about anything. But, unlike DelTon suggests, you also don't need to buy a $2500 AR to get a reliable rifle. Buying a "premium" PSA gets you a quality rifle without breaking the bank. As others suggested, getting the best barrel and BCG that you can get in your price range is what's really important. |
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Don't get pissy when your called out... Your post above I'm referring to was ridiculous. And you were the one the other day whining about wishing you had chose another user name... Do I need to post your quotes? Quoted:
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Exactly. Good reading skills ! Don't get pissy when your called out... Your post above I'm referring to was ridiculous. And you were the one the other day whining about wishing you had chose another user name... Do I need to post your quotes? Post whatever the fuck you want. Who cares? And it's "You're" not your when saying "You are" you moron. |
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I think we should get back to what the OP is asking or else this thread is going to get way off course. Buying the cheapest possible parts you can find is usually not the way to go about anything. But, unlike DelTon suggests, you also don't need to buy a $2500 AR to get a reliable rifle. Buying a "premium" PSA gets you a quality rifle without breaking the bank. As others suggested, getting the best barrel and BCG that you can get in your price range is what's really important. Quoted:
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Exactly. Good reading skills ! Don't get pissy when your called out... Your post above I'm referring to was ridiculous. And you were the one the other day whining about wishing you had chose another user name... Do I need to post your quotes? I think we should get back to what the OP is asking or else this thread is going to get way off course. Buying the cheapest possible parts you can find is usually not the way to go about anything. But, unlike DelTon suggests, you also don't need to buy a $2500 AR to get a reliable rifle. Buying a "premium" PSA gets you a quality rifle without breaking the bank. As others suggested, getting the best barrel and BCG that you can get in your price range is what's really important. Agreed! Along with a mil-spec fire control group and that rifle should be golden. I'm far from an AR snob. Hell, all my rifles are either BCM, or Spikes, middle of the road price wise but high quality without breaking the bank... But to suggest that any of us are saying you need to buy a 2K+ dollar Noveske to have anything that won't melt in the rain is just retarded. Nobody decent nor worth listening to here on ARFcom or that other website who's name I won't utter, would even suggest such snobbery... PSA is just fine with me; as I told my brother to get one for his one and only AR and HD/SHTF rifle... |
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I wouldn't use a PTAC BCG if I was paid. IMO you can get a Wilson Combat BCG for 100$. HP/MPI. Why buy anything else. Spikes and Aero Precision HP/MPI bcg's at 125$. No reason to throw a piece of crap in your gun just to save a few bucks when there is stuff light years better for only a tad more cost.
100$ barrels are also hit or miss. You better pray you get one with a decent sized gas port, or you will ultimately spend more money troubleshooting and fixing the ordeal. 100$ more on a complete upper saves a whole lot of headaches in the long run. Complete PSA uppers can be found pretty cheap. SAA has uppers on clearance every now and again but IMO they are still price gouging compared to their older prices. IMO SAA won't be forgiven for their insane price gouging over the panic so not sure why I'm mentioning them. Remember if your wanting to build it yourself you will need a torque wrench, a bbl nut tool, an upper vice clamp, aeroshell 32ms greas or anti seize, 2 bbl nuts (in case one isn't aligning between 30-80), roll pin punches for doing the gas tube and if stripped upper the FA, a bench vise, and patience. You absolutely won't be installing a barrel with no vice and bbl nut wrench etc. Add all this up and your better just buying a complete upper unless you plan on building numerous uppers down the road. Add the vice, wrenches, punches, work bench area, and receiver clamp and you are already in the 200$ range unless you either already have a good bench vise or garage sale pick. These are however one time purchases, but ultimately then you will be buying more tools, and next thing you know, you will have a bench vice, mill, lathe, and a frack ton of other stuff laying around and wondering why you don't just bother getting your FFL lmao. |
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Exactly. Good reading skills ! Don't get pissy when your called out... Your post above I'm referring to was ridiculous. And you were the one the other day whining about wishing you had chose another user name... Do I need to post your quotes? Post whatever the fuck you want. Who cares? I'm not going to post your quotes. I don't want to dog pile on you. Members here can/have made their own assessments about your post; here in this thread and your original Delton bashing thread from the other day. I wish you the very best and hope you get your Delton rifle fixed and worked out. Good luck to you and best regards... |
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Exactly. Good reading skills ! Don't get pissy when your called out... Your post above I'm referring to was ridiculous. And you were the one the other day whining about wishing you had chose another user name... Do I need to post your quotes? Post whatever the fuck you want. Who cares? And it's "You're" not your when saying "You are" you moron. Cussing, name calling, recanting temper tantrums. Relax and take a deep breath. Also, no one likes a grammar nazi. Pointless especially when many people aren't using normal computers to post, and or are just too lazy to type correctly. This isn't an english class. As long as you can form logical sentences, and not be a fucktard while doing so, that is all thats needed. :) Also remember, there is no recanting douchbaggery online. It's on the net for all to view and will never disapperar... just like the dremeled barrel fluting thread is still here and will probably still be here in 20 years. |
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Just spend 2500 and get a god-slaying, auto-aiming, accuracy-enhancing tacticool noveske. Everything else is shit and made out of cardboard and will get soggy with one drop if water because it's not fully chromed inside and out. Make sure you get the chromed pistol grip!
C'mon. The "gotta be expensive to work" argument is dumb. Both a ford mustang GT and a BMW 330 turbo are fast, both get the job done. Difference: price. Luxury and brand-recognition. Does one company magically have the formula for carpenter 158 that another company doesn't? The revolutionary war was won by minutemen using average-quality muskets. The mujahideen drove the soviets out with cheap ass mass produced ak47s. Tthe Taliban in Afghanistan are giving our troops a good fight with old beat up rifles. This coming from a '13er del-ton guy. |
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Beemer doesn't make a 330 turbo. I believe the new Mustang of the Boss variety and 500 Getwere ttrying to compete with the E9X M3. The 2015 F8X M3/M4 will be out this June. Just saying.
Anyways, with all the fully operational and affordable ARs available complete and ready to run and also comes with a warranty, why bother trying to go even cheaper with a Franken AR? There many brands available pick one from the many dealers that supports this website. Building the cheapest of the cheap AR is going to cost you plenty in the long run, and I am not just talking about money but time and effort and ammo. |
| The market has recently been flooded with ar's due to the panic. I've seen m&p 15's on armslist for around $640 in my area. I don't know if you could build a cheaper more reliable rifle. Though like others have said psa makes great products. I wouldn't hesitate to use their products. Also, one thing I've learned the hard way is that you get what you pay for. I'd buy a complete rifle and have a warranty to boot. But that's just me. |
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Just spend 2500 and get a god-slaying, auto-aiming, accuracy-enhancing tacticool noveske. Everything else is shit and made out of cardboard and will get soggy with one drop if water because it's not fully chromed inside and out. Make sure you get the chromed pistol grip!
C'mon. The "gotta be expensive to work" argument is dumb. Both a ford mustang GT and a BMW 330 turbo are fast, both get the job done. Difference: price. Luxury and brand-recognition. Does one company magically have the formula for carpenter 158 that another company doesn't? The revolutionary war was won by minutemen using average-quality muskets. The mujahideen drove the soviets out with cheap ass mass produced ak47s. Tthe Taliban in Afghanistan are giving our troops a good fight with old beat up rifles. This coming from a '13er del-ton guy. Did the smirking sarcastic face fail to make it clear that post was a jab at the AR snobs that this forum is notorious for harboring and cultivating?  
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Just spend 2500 and get a god-slaying, auto-aiming, accuracy-enhancing tacticool noveske. Everything else is shit and made out of cardboard and will get soggy with one drop if water because it's not fully chromed inside and out. Make sure you get the chromed pistol grip!
C'mon. The "gotta be expensive to work" argument is dumb. Both a ford mustang GT and a BMW 330 turbo are fast, both get the job done. Difference: price. Luxury and brand-recognition. Does one company magically have the formula for carpenter 158 that another company doesn't? The revolutionary war was won by minutemen using average-quality muskets. The mujahideen drove the soviets out with cheap ass mass produced ak47s. Tthe Taliban in Afghanistan are giving our troops a good fight with old beat up rifles. This coming from a '13er del-ton guy. Did the smirking sarcastic face fail to make it clear that post was a jab at the AR snobs that this forum is notorious for harboring and cultivating? Your making friends all over the place here aren't you??? You need to take your medication, relax, and think about changing your abrasive attitude. People are going to start really bashing you; and I have a feeling your not going to be able to take it, being a thin skinned little man... Just trying to help you out! I hope you have a better day today del-ton-guy... |
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Your making friends all over the place here aren't you??? You need to take your medication, relax, and think about changing your abrasive attitude. People are going to start really bashing you; and I have a feeling your not going to be able to take it, being a thin skinned little man... Just trying to help you out! I hope you have a better day today del-ton-guy... JR, you have got too much patience when dealing with this douche! |
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