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1/20/2014 4:41:15 PM EDT
I am looking at uppers and I have usually only dealt with m4 uppers, thats because I have no clue what midlenths are. what are they?
1/20/2014 4:44:55 PM EDT
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Mid length refers to the gas system not the upper
1/20/2014 4:45:21 PM EDT
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A gas system midway between carbine and rifle.
1/20/2014 4:50:26 PM EDT
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Have you guys been livin in GD this whole time?



OP if you already have a couple of carbine length gas rifles, you should really give a midlength a try.  I think you will like it




1/20/2014 4:56:06 PM EDT
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Definitely shoot one! Glad I did, sure enjoy shooting my middy.
1/20/2014 5:14:31 PM EDT
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Here is an example of a 14.5 pinned out to 16+, Midlength gas system

1/20/2014 5:16:49 PM EDT
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so carbine is short mid length is mid and rifle is long?   Nice looking rifle.
1/20/2014 5:21:09 PM EDT
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I'm a Carbine whore myself just don't feel that much a difference  but I do have a 14.5" Spikes middy and it's smooth and are about to do the DD 18" S2W Mid so we'll see how a lil more precision shooting can benefit from a mid length gas system.....
1/20/2014 5:25:33 PM EDT
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I totally agree....I learned to like both.
1/20/2014 5:36:27 PM EDT
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I have only shot carbine, but I have a a brand-new mid-length and another on the way. It makes more sense as a gas system for a 16" barrel. I can't wait to try it out.
1/20/2014 5:41:25 PM EDT
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1/20/2014 6:04:19 PM EDT
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OP dont worry about it. This is the same as a caliber debate, just go with what you like.
1/20/2014 6:05:31 PM EDT
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Nah, just wait until we get into 14.5 vs 16...



 
1/20/2014 6:31:52 PM EDT
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I already know I want a 14.5, I know how I want it to look I am just not sure about where to get the right parts from.
1/20/2014 6:51:30 PM EDT
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There are some good 14.5 mids out there; Rainier, BCM, DD, Spikes, Noveske...



 
1/20/2014 7:07:00 PM EDT
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As a rule of thumb, not an exact measurement.



An M4 runs a carbine length gas system. It is about 7" from the upper receiver to the front sight base. ABOUT

A mid length gas system is about 9" from the upper to the front sight base.

A rifle length gas system is about 12" from the upper to the front sight base.



Please do a search on this topic as it comes up often and there are multiple threads on it, it is also covered in the FAQ.



Here is a 14.5" mid length, light weight barrel.







14.5" carbine - M4 profile barrel.












1/20/2014 9:50:34 PM EDT
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As others have said, middy is between carbine and rifle. I like mid for 3 reasons :

1. longer sight radius = potential better accuracy
2. softer/ smoother recoil impulse - my perception-nothing scientific.
3. On a 16" bbl, I think they look better - and Im not a fan of R4 cuts

Theoretically it is said that carbine is more reliable because of the higher pressures at the gas block. In a really dirty rifle that may be the case, however, Ive had carbine, mid, inter-mid and rifle, all go down at inconvenient time. All had experienced high round count and other factors(rain, dust, low power ammo, bad mags, etc) when it happened.

1/22/2014 4:50:34 PM EDT
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As a rule of thumb, not an exact measurement.

An M4 runs a carbine length gas system. It is about 7" from the upper receiver to the front sight base. ABOUT
A mid length gas system is about 9" from the upper to the front sight base.
A rifle length gas system is about 12" from the upper to the front sight base.

Please do a search on this topic as it comes up often and there are multiple threads on it, it is also covered in the FAQ.

Here is a 14.5" mid length, light weight barrel.

http://farm3.staticflickr.com/2558/5830990028_f7823ea56d_b.jpg

14.5" carbine - M4 profile barrel.

http://farm9.staticflickr.com/8263/8644238960_e15106f886_b.jpg






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Thank you, I plan on not using a front sight post, but I like the mid. Since I have 3 I will build 1 mid, 1 carbine, and 1 pistol  just for fun
1/22/2014 5:15:44 PM EDT
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I already know I want a 14.5, I know how I want it to look I am just not sure about where to get the right parts from.
There are some good 14.5 mids out there; Rainier, BCM, DD, Spikes, Noveske...
 


This man speaks the truth. Mid-lengths are awesome. I'll never own another rifle length gas system again. For that fact, I'll never own another barrel longer than 14.7 inches again either.
1/22/2014 5:34:35 PM EDT
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Rainier is high on my list of rifles and parts.
1/23/2014 10:56:57 AM EDT
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So Stag is about the only popular manufacturer not offering mids? It appears looking at their site all are short systems.

1/23/2014 11:06:26 AM EDT
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So Stag is about the only popular manufacturer not offering mids? It appears looking at their site all are short systems.


I don't think Colt offers them either.
1/23/2014 11:11:13 AM EDT
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mid-length gas system with the 9" grips is the way to go (7" are carbine size) it just feels right plus the gas system is specifically designed for the extra barrel length or so they say.

I like my mid-length alot, but if i can choose i would take a SBR
1/24/2014 11:03:57 AM EDT
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Do you know what model number the DD is for the 14.5 mid is?
1/24/2014 11:11:05 AM EDT
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I freaking love my Rainier 14.5" middy
1/24/2014 11:48:11 AM EDT
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I freaking love my Rainier 14.5" middy



got pics?  [email protected] or here is fine. I just dont understand what the length of the gas tube does.
1/24/2014 11:53:17 AM EDT
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Rainier is high on my list of rifles and parts.




I freaking love my Rainier 14.5" middy






got pics?  [email protected] or here is fine. I just dont understand what the length of the gas tube does.
Check out the midlength picture thread and the 14.5 to 16 pic thread

 



The difference to most is a perceived softer recoil impulse.




In my rifles, they do feel a bit smoother.  
1/24/2014 11:58:42 AM EDT
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got pics?  [email protected] or here is fine. I just dont understand what the length of the gas tube does.
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I freaking love my Rainier 14.5" middy



got pics?  [email protected] or here is fine. I just dont understand what the length of the gas tube does.


Check out the high def ar photo thread the thread I posted in the Rainier forum.  I'll try to get some up later tonight when I get home from work if you haven't found em by then.

As for the gas system, it gives (IMO) a smoother and softer shooting rifle. Supposed to be easier on the internals, but considering pretty much all my rifles of late have been mids, I can't compare.  Plus I like the look of a 14.5 with the mid gas.  Just looks more balanced to me.
1/24/2014 4:33:33 PM EDT
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Here ya go



1/24/2014 5:01:35 PM EDT
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Did you build it or buy the whole thing?
1/24/2014 5:18:35 PM EDT
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Rainier built the complete upper.
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