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Posted: 8/31/2013 9:42:20 AM EDT
| OK....I just received a brand new AR buffer from Jim @CTS, the guy who makes trimmers. I am going to put it in the gun and hopefully try it out this weekend. Anyone on here tried one? He just received his patent back from the Patent office and has just released them for sale. I cant wait to try it ! I dont know how to post pics, or I would....Stay tuned.... |
| His website is not done yet...you can contact him at [email protected] |
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OK....I just received a brand new AR buffer from Jim @CTS, the guy who makes trimmers. I am going to put it in the gun and hopefully try it out this weekend. Anyone on here tried one? He just received his patent back from the Patent office and has just released them for sale. I cant wait to try it ! I dont know how to post pics, or I would....Stay tuned.... Tried one what??? Carbine, H, H2, Rifle? Receiver extension? |
| I have tested two CTS Buffers, the first a AR15 Carbine buffer in both 223 and 300 AAC. This buffer excells especially in the 223 but is still noticeable in the 300AAC. I tested the AR-10 Rifle Buffer in both an AR-10 and a DPMS LR-308. Both buffers provide positive recoil reduction especially in those weapons with stock components. Available soon on Gunbroker or direct from Jim Prior at [email protected]. Pictures to follow. Anyone local to Ft Campbell feel free to contact me, I'd be happy to show you either of these buffers. |
Here are pictures of both the AR-15 Carbine Buffer and the AR-10/LR-308 Rifle buffer
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| Sorry for the delay in responding....Finally got to shoot with the new buffer. IT DOES WHAT IT WAS CLAIMED TO DO in a bone stock AR15. The gun felt softer and had less recoil! I was amazed. For $69, you can't beat it! I compared it to my other AR's that have adjustable gas blocks and muzzle brakes on them,but at a fraction of the cost! Good product Jim! And I aswell will offer the same situation....If you live near Woodbridge/Manassas area and want to shoot it, I will be glad to meet you at the range, let you shoot it in your gun and let you be the judge. |
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There are a couple of things different. There are no moving parts in either of the buffers I have used. The stainless steel shaft is larger which by design is captured by the spring and the spring is centered in the tube by way of a cup at the bottom of the spring. The result is no tilting of the buffer causing wear inside the tube. No twang as a result of the larger tube and the cup.
A couple of other points is that this buffer works best in a stock rifle. If you've spent a ton of money on every conceiveable after market part for your AR then you probably won't appreaciate what this buffer does. If you're looking to take all the recoil out of your AR so the wife and son can shoot it then you also won't be impressed as this will not make your AR perorm like a cap gun. It also seems to like full loads, I noticed that I got nothing out of the AR-15 Carbine buffer when I shot under powered 300 AAC rounds. If some one will email me the directions I'll attempt to post pictures again, as I don't think my last attempt was successful. And again anyone wanting to take a peek at either of these buffers and you live within spiting distance of Ft Campbell can email me at [email protected]. |
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Can you say shill accounts, my god.
I have used both the .223 and the .308 versions and I didn't notice ANY difference whatsoever. If need be I can get two other guys in here that used them the same day with me and they'll say the same thing. Cheers WTF? Can somebody please post pics of these things? I have no clue what is supposed to be so special about these buffers, so a picture or two might help. ETA: In fact, I've never even heard of these things until now. Jim the trimmer guy? Lol. What the f*%k is going on in here? 
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WTF? Can somebody please post pics of these things? I have no clue what is supposed to be so special about these buffers, so a picture or two might help. ETA: In fact, I've never even heard of these things until now. Jim the trimmer guy? Lol. What the f*%k is going on in here? Quoted:
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Can you say shill accounts, my god.
I have used both the .223 and the .308 versions and I didn't notice ANY difference whatsoever. If need be I can get two other guys in here that used them the same day with me and they'll say the same thing. Cheers WTF? Can somebody please post pics of these things? I have no clue what is supposed to be so special about these buffers, so a picture or two might help. ETA: In fact, I've never even heard of these things until now. Jim the trimmer guy? Lol. What the f*%k is going on in here? I didn't get any pics but my buddy can post pics Thursday, though I'm not sure what a pic is going to tell you. It's got colorful plastic parts and metal parts and looks like a buffer. |
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WTF? Can somebody please post pics of these things? I have no clue what is supposed to be so special about these buffers, so a picture or two might help. ETA: In fact, I've never even heard of these things until now. Jim the trimmer guy? Lol. What the f*%k is going on in here? Quoted:
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Can you say shill accounts, my god.
I have used both the .223 and the .308 versions and I didn't notice ANY difference whatsoever. If need be I can get two other guys in here that used them the same day with me and they'll say the same thing. Cheers WTF? Can somebody please post pics of these things? I have no clue what is supposed to be so special about these buffers, so a picture or two might help. ETA: In fact, I've never even heard of these things until now. Jim the trimmer guy? Lol. What the f*%k is going on in here? There is nothing special about them, I'll post pics on Thursday when I am back in town from business. I shot the same day as cavscouty. 556 (100 rounds out of two different uppers), 300 blk (150 supers and 100 subsonice) and 308 out of an AR-10 (50 rounds). All the guns ran flawlessly with the buffer in place, but I was unable to feel or see any improved performance from the tested firearms compared to standard buffers. |
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I didn't get any pics but my buddy can post pics Thursday, though I'm not sure what a pic is going to tell you. It's got colorful plastic parts and metal parts and looks like a buffer. Quoted:
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Can you say shill accounts, my god.
I have used both the .223 and the .308 versions and I didn't notice ANY difference whatsoever. If need be I can get two other guys in here that used them the same day with me and they'll say the same thing. Cheers WTF? Can somebody please post pics of these things? I have no clue what is supposed to be so special about these buffers, so a picture or two might help. ETA: In fact, I've never even heard of these things until now. Jim the trimmer guy? Lol. What the f*%k is going on in here? I didn't get any pics but my buddy can post pics Thursday, though I'm not sure what a pic is going to tell you. It's got colorful plastic parts and metal parts and looks like a buffer. Okay, so then what's so different about these? |
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There is nothing special about them, I'll post pics on Thursday when I am back in town from business. I shot the same day as cavscouty. 556 (100 rounds out of two different uppers), 300 blk (150 supers and 100 subsonice) and 308 out of an AR-10 (50 rounds). All the guns ran flawlessly with the buffer in place, but I was unable to feel or see any improved performance from the tested firearms compared to standard buffers. Quoted:
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Can you say shill accounts, my god.
I have used both the .223 and the .308 versions and I didn't notice ANY difference whatsoever. If need be I can get two other guys in here that used them the same day with me and they'll say the same thing. Cheers WTF? Can somebody please post pics of these things? I have no clue what is supposed to be so special about these buffers, so a picture or two might help. ETA: In fact, I've never even heard of these things until now. Jim the trimmer guy? Lol. What the f*%k is going on in here? There is nothing special about them, I'll post pics on Thursday when I am back in town from business. I shot the same day as cavscouty. 556 (100 rounds out of two different uppers), 300 blk (150 supers and 100 subsonice) and 308 out of an AR-10 (50 rounds). All the guns ran flawlessly with the buffer in place, but I was unable to feel or see any improved performance from the tested firearms compared to standard buffers. That answers my question. Thank you. |
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Can you say shill accounts, my god.
I have used both the .223 and the .308 versions and I didn't notice ANY difference whatsoever. If need be I can get two other guys in here that used them the same day with me and they'll say the same thing. Cheers WTF? Can somebody please post pics of these things? I have no clue what is supposed to be so special about these buffers, so a picture or two might help. ETA: In fact, I've never even heard of these things until now. Jim the trimmer guy? Lol. What the f*%k is going on in here? I didn't get any pics but my buddy can post pics Thursday, though I'm not sure what a pic is going to tell you. It's got colorful plastic parts and metal parts and looks like a buffer. Okay, so then what's so different about these? Are you slow or what? Nothing guy. |
| I can only post from MY finding.....I noticed a difference. I respect the people who have ACTUALLY purchased one and tried them....not just jumping on the bandwagon. If you have any questions about them, contact Jim at CTS, his info is in my original post. I was only posting MY finding and MY opinion, sorry it doesnt line up with everyone elses....and I DO own one! |
I got a couple also and I am not impressed. There was no felt difference on a single rifle it was tried in. We shot more than enough ammo to effectively judge these buffers against the baseline and it came up lacking. I can even post pics:
Spend the money, dont spend the money, either way you will end up with the same appreciable performance. |
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I can only post from MY finding.....I noticed a difference. I respect the people who have ACTUALLY purchased one and tried them....not just jumping on the bandwagon. If you have any questions about them, contact Jim at CTS, his info is in my original post. I was only posting MY finding and MY opinion, sorry it doesnt line up with everyone elses....and I DO own one! What difference does it make if I shot a friends for free or purchased it? |
| You are correct ......It does not matter if you own one or you try one....I understand. Are the rifle you are trying this in stock rifles or do they have a comp, muzzle bread, adjustable gas block, lighten bolt, etc...? Remember the CTS buffer is designed to work with a STOCK AR. That is what I did the comparison on. |
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You are correct ......It does not matter if you own one or you try one....I understand. Are the rifle you are trying this in stock rifles or do they have a comp, muzzle bread, adjustable gas block, lighten bolt, etc...? Remember the CTS buffer is designed to work with a STOCK AR. That is what I did the comparison on. AR-15 18inch midlength gas with JP comp Milspec BCG 18 inch rifle length gas with A-2 flash hider Milspec BCG 14.5 pinned carbine gas with A-2 flash hider Milspec BCG 14.5 300bkl pistol length gas with liner comp (should have displayed the most reduction as the muzzle device increases felt recoil) AR-10 Standard AR-10 super sass with A2 flash hider I put enough rounds down range in every configuration to get a good understanding of the buffer to realize that it does not do anything a normal heavy weight buffer would. |
| I understand..........I just dont understand how you add a "heavier buffer" in any rifle and not see any difference... I'm not doubting you, just doesnt seem logical. There are a companies out there that are selling "heavier buffers" , with tons of positive feedback.....The fact that you dont see any difference, is puzzling. Like I mentioned, It helped my stock 16" AR quite a bit in the recoil felt and muzzle flip....my AR was 100% stock aswel. For $69, I figured, what the heck, I will try one, and for the $ I spent, I am happy. |
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I received 2 buffers last week, one for an AR15 carbine and another for an AR10 rifle. While I don't have an AR10, I do have at least one friend who does, so the AR10 will go to him to test. On the other hand, I do have a couple of AR15 carbines, so that is what I will talk about. I took the buffer to the range today and put 120 rounds through my Head Down carbine - 16" barrel, carbine gas tube, YHM suppressor mount. I fired HSM 55gr FMJ and some Russian 55gr ammo. I shot the rifle with and with out my YHM 762 SS QD suppressor, both with the stock buffer and with the CTS buffer. Yes, that's four iterations. I fired the four iterations from a sitting supported position. I could feel a reduction in recoil with the CTS buffer over the stock buffer, with and without the suppressor. Moreso with the can than without. How much reduction I can't really put an figure on. So, I'm going to go back to the range later this week and run the buffers again with FC M855 62gr green tip, WW Q3131 55gr fmj, and PMC Bronze 55gr fmj. On the table next to me was a guy shooting an HK91. He was watching me shoot (and probably wondered why I kept swapping buffers) and asked about the suppressor. I stood up and motioned for him to take the seat and give it a go. He shot 4 rounds and said the rifle has no recoil. I shotgunned it and swapped out the CTS buffer for the stock buffer and handed the rifle back to him. He shot 4 more rounds and asked me what I had done to the rifle, so I showed him the CTS buffer and explained how it works. He nodded and asked when a buffer for the HK91 will be available. I said you'd have to ask the guy who builds them, but that I would pass along the question. I talked with Jim after I returned from the range and he tells me this is the same buffer mentioned above by the guys from Iowa. Jim said he took the buffers out of the box, wiped them down, and put them in a new box to send to me. This is the test rifle, with the YHM 762QDSS attached and the CTS buffer installed. Disclosure: I have known the Jim, owner of CTS Engineering, since January when I bought one of his case trimmers. And promptly wore out the cutter in just 2,000 pieces of brass. Replaced the HS6 cutter with a full carbide cutter and never looked back. I liked the basic trimmer enough that I bought one of the first (actually #4) G2 power trimmers, and subsequently upgraded that unit to G2.5 Since then we have had many discussions on reloading, case trimmers, NHRA transmission locks, Disneyland/WDW, our kids, and now AR pattern rifle buffers. |
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Umm, I am pretty sure that they have been selling those cups to put under your springs for a while now...
So I guess an H Buffer and a cup - and you get the benefit of parts that aren't printed out of a prototyping material. Double Star Twang Buster |
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Quoted: Umm, I am pretty sure that they have been selling those cups to put under your springs for a while now... So I guess an H Buffer and a cup - and you get the benefit of parts that aren't printed out of a prototyping material. Double Star Twang Buster They're different. The pics I found show the Twang Buster is not what I would call a cup, rather an insert. Brownells calls it a disc. Printed out of a prototyping material... Do tell?  |
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I finally had time to get to the range this morning and shoot the buffer again. This time I put it in my S&W MP15T and fired M855 62gr Green Tip ammo. Results were similar to when I fired the buffer in the Head Down carbine - recoil was reduced, but hard to put a number on it. I shot the MP15T first with the stock buffer, both without and with my YHM Phantom 762 QDSS suppressor. Then I installed the CTS buffer and fired the rifle without and with the suppressor. I noticed more recoil reduction with the suppressor than without it. I wasn't getting the results I was expecting, so I called Jim as I was leaving the range. He called me back a little while later and I told him I had just left the range and fired the S&W AR, as described above. He said that the buffer works with a bone stock mil-spec AR best - any thing to tweak the rifle that's already been done to reduce the recoil will diminish the reduction from the buffer. In this case S&W designs their AR's for the civilian market and uses a smaller gas port than does a mil-spec barrel than, say Bushmaster, Wyndham Arms, DPMS, or Del-Ton. I noticed the greated reduction in recoil on both of my AR's when I fired them suppressed. Why is that important? Because if both of them have small gas ports - are not overgassed to run on any ammo - the suppressor will extend the amount of time the propellant/recoil gas has to act on the bolt, thus affecting felt recoil. The suppressor fired rounds with the OEM buffer had a greater felt recoil than did the suppressor fired rounds with the CTS buffer. If you have an adjustable gas block, miculek comp, or any of the other assorted bells and whistles to reduce recoil, the CTS buffer isn't for you. But, if you're running a box stock mil-spec AR, then I would encourage to give it a look. Jim told me he has about 30 buffers out at any given time for people to demo. He offered to send an demo unit to anyone who asks for one - you just have to be using a box stock mil-spec AR. I'' pass along his e-mail to anyone who asks. Pic... The pistol up front is 300BLK... figured since I was finally getting to the range I should take her along for a cherry popping. And it was good. Now to load up some ammo for it. |
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