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[ARCHIVED THREAD] - Bushmaster quality.. (Page 1 of 2)
Posted: 8/17/2013 4:49:50 PM EDT
| Was in a LGS today that had MANY new BM's on the racks.I picked one up to have a look,could not believe how poor the quality was!Finish was a little off upper/lower,loose fit also.Stock rattled bad,front sight base looked like it was cast out of loose mud!!!Is this typical from them these days?(several looked like this) |
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Was in a LGS today that had MANY new BM's on the racks.I picked one up to have a look,could not believe how poor the quality was!Finish was a little off upper/lower,loose fit also.Stock rattled bad,front sight base looked like it was cast out of loose mud!!!Is this typical from them these days?(several looked like this) I performed the P.M. On a small Police Dept's Bushmasters. EVERY bolt carrier had the carrier key screws loose
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| My Patrolmans Carbine was purchased shortly after the awb ended, probably early '05. It has been a flawless rifle and I have zero desire to ever part with it. I couldn't in good conscience recommend Bushmaster to anybody these days. Every recent model I've seen looks like shit. |
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My Patrolmans Carbine was purchased shortly after the awb ended, probably early '05. It has been a flawless rifle and I have zero desire to ever part with it. I couldn't in good conscience recommend Bushmaster to anybody these days. Every recent model I've seen looks like shit. They must survive on name recognition alone, because their specs, fit and finish, etc. sure shouldn't be keeping them afloat. I would think they have a fairly recognizable name to the general public, especially in light of their recent press. |
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I bought my Bushmaster Patrolman in jan of 12 and it has ran flawless without any malfunctions and the gas keys are staked correctly.
Here is the stake job.Also the fit and finish on my Bushmaster is flawless plus the upper and lower reciever is tight. Perhaps I have the only decent Bushmaster known to man but I highly doubt it. However I have changed out my stock BCG for a BCM but the stock BCG ran flawless and I wouldn't have a problem putting it back in the rifle. http://i42.tinypic.com/21ex6qa.jpg |
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Yep. Bushmaster ain't bushmaster any more. Look into Windham Weapomry! They are quality! Quoted:
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Remmasters. Yep. Bushmaster ain't bushmaster any more. Look into Windham Weapomry! They are quality! Well if you think about it, people have been ragging on Bushmaster before they even got bought out.. The same people that built the rifles people complained about are now making windham weaponry rifles. |
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I got a Bushmaster a few months ago when they first popped back up for $900 for the M4/Patrol version. I've only had it to the range twice, but no rattles and nothing has come loose. Not exactly perfect in the finish department, but neither is my 6920- and everyone makes excuses for Colt's finish, so it's hard to rag on Bushmaster for it.
Maybe my particular one isn't as bad as some, but so far it seems ok. It will end up being my backup to my 6920 as I get into 3Gun shooting as a hobby. I'll try to get another 6920, but the money tree isn't producing well these days. |
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Well if you think about it, people have been ragging on Bushmaster before they even got bought out.. The same people that built the rifles people complained about are now making windham weaponry rifles. Quoted:
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Remmasters. Yep. Bushmaster ain't bushmaster any more. Look into Windham Weapomry! They are quality! Well if you think about it, people have been ragging on Bushmaster before they even got bought out.. The same people that built the rifles people complained about are now making windham weaponry rifles. DING DING DING! I have pointed this out in the past. The newer BM rifles I have seen haven't had any issues. Seems like the ACR went through the same problems but now since Remington is running the show and BM moved to NY all is good with BM. |
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Pre Freedom Group, BMs were great! I have acquired, and assembled, many BM uppers between 1993 and 2005. It's 2013 and ALL of them have performed flawlessly, some with non-staked carriers. Accuracy was great and no part has failed or has shown signs for concern. Post Freedom Group, IMHO, I'd pass on it,
In the early days, people unjustifiably ragged on BM, drinking Colt cool-aid and saying things like "go chrome or go home". (I've owned Colts and sold them mostly because I didn't like purple receivers. ). Sometimes I think that BRD is not unlike DrSeuss' "The Sneetches". The truth is that the difference in most AR components is marginal, and the ones with stars on their bellies aren't really any better. For example in the Industry forum, ADCO had a thread about an 18 month 15k stainless (RRA-Wilson) barrel that dispels a lot of b.s. about stainless barrels. It doesn't take much to assemble a great rifle and a Model 1 Chrome Moly that I assembled as a birthday gift for a high school kid shot as well as my Krieger. The exception? I think not. My RRA/Wilson is no different than my Krieger, WOA or Douglas. I should have used Model 1 barrels (which was considered trash) and bought more ammo with the savings...but the cool-aid was strong. Just my 2 decade perspective. There just is no substitute for experience, and "experience" is what you get when you don't get what you wanted. |
| Pre Freedom Group, BMs were great! I have acquired, and assembled, many BM uppers between 1993 and 2005. It's 2013 and ALL of them have performed flawlessly, some with non-staked carriers. Accuracy was great and no part has failed or has shown signs for concern. Post Freedom Group, IMHO, I'd pass on it |
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I put together 10 guns for myself and a few friends several years ago with Bushmaster uppers and as far as I know, they all ran great. My buddies all loved them and the two or three that I kept always ran flawlessly. I'm still running one regularly that has gone bang every time I've pulled the trigger. Now I realize that 10 is a small sample size, but my guess is, it's much larger than most people's experiences who have chimed in on this thread. This is the last one I have from that batch. It has about 4 thousand rounds through it and has been run in two classes. I recently gave it an update to fit my shooting style but the guts are the same: <a href="http://s34.photobucket.com/user/RyantheHutt/media/8-9-13/P1070224_zpsc4eca69b.jpg.html" target="_blank">http://i34.photobucket.com/albums/d109/RyantheHutt/8-9-13/P1070224_zpsc4eca69b.jpg</a> Quoted:
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Pre-freedom group Bushmasters are probably gtg. I'd beg to differ. I put together 10 guns for myself and a few friends several years ago with Bushmaster uppers and as far as I know, they all ran great. My buddies all loved them and the two or three that I kept always ran flawlessly. I'm still running one regularly that has gone bang every time I've pulled the trigger. Now I realize that 10 is a small sample size, but my guess is, it's much larger than most people's experiences who have chimed in on this thread. This is the last one I have from that batch. It has about 4 thousand rounds through it and has been run in two classes. I recently gave it an update to fit my shooting style but the guts are the same: <a href="http://s34.photobucket.com/user/RyantheHutt/media/8-9-13/P1070224_zpsc4eca69b.jpg.html" target="_blank">http://i34.photobucket.com/albums/d109/RyantheHutt/8-9-13/P1070224_zpsc4eca69b.jpg</a> I'm glad that your experience has been positive, but as I'm sure you can infer from my posts, mine have not. Two BM uppers I purchased in 2006 were so overgassed right out of the box that i had to run Sprinco red action springs along with H3 buffers to band-aid the problem. A very close friend of mine purchased a factory built BM rifle that would only function as a single shot weapon. In diagnosing the issue for him i removed the FSB only to find that NO gas port had been drilled. NONE! BM obviously took care of him, but i consider that beside the point. It's expected that they should take care of it, but it's also expected, at least by me, that these things dont happen in the first place. I havent experienced any of these issues with the many Colt, BCM, DD, etc. rifles that I've owned/shot. As with you, a very small sample size, but three strikes out of three swings left a very bad taste in my mouth. Im glad that you havent experienced the same misfortunes in dealing with BM rifles/products. |
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I'm glad that your experience has been positive, but as I'm sure you can infer from my posts, mine have not. Two BM uppers I purchased in 2006 were so overgassed right out of the box that i had to run Sprinco red action springs along with H3 buffers to band-aid the problem. A very close friend of mine purchased a factory built BM rifle that would only function as a single shot weapon. In diagnosing the issue for him i removed the FSB only to find that NO gas port had been drilled. NONE! BM obviously took care of him, but i consider that beside the point. It's expected that they should take care of it, but it's also expected, at least by me, that these things dont happen in the first place. I havent experienced any of these issues with the many Colt, BCM, DD, etc. rifles that I've owned/shot. As with you, a very small sample size, but three strikes out of three swings left a very bad taste in my mouth. Im glad that you havent experienced the same misfortunes in dealing with BM rifles/products. Quoted:
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Pre-freedom group Bushmasters are probably gtg. I'd beg to differ. I put together 10 guns for myself and a few friends several years ago with Bushmaster uppers and as far as I know, they all ran great. My buddies all loved them and the two or three that I kept always ran flawlessly. I'm still running one regularly that has gone bang every time I've pulled the trigger. Now I realize that 10 is a small sample size, but my guess is, it's much larger than most people's experiences who have chimed in on this thread. This is the last one I have from that batch. It has about 4 thousand rounds through it and has been run in two classes. I recently gave it an update to fit my shooting style but the guts are the same: <a href="http://s34.photobucket.com/user/RyantheHutt/media/8-9-13/P1070224_zpsc4eca69b.jpg.html" target="_blank">http://i34.photobucket.com/albums/d109/RyantheHutt/8-9-13/P1070224_zpsc4eca69b.jpg</a> I'm glad that your experience has been positive, but as I'm sure you can infer from my posts, mine have not. Two BM uppers I purchased in 2006 were so overgassed right out of the box that i had to run Sprinco red action springs along with H3 buffers to band-aid the problem. A very close friend of mine purchased a factory built BM rifle that would only function as a single shot weapon. In diagnosing the issue for him i removed the FSB only to find that NO gas port had been drilled. NONE! BM obviously took care of him, but i consider that beside the point. It's expected that they should take care of it, but it's also expected, at least by me, that these things dont happen in the first place. I havent experienced any of these issues with the many Colt, BCM, DD, etc. rifles that I've owned/shot. As with you, a very small sample size, but three strikes out of three swings left a very bad taste in my mouth. Im glad that you havent experienced the same misfortunes in dealing with BM rifles/products. No company is perfect, Every company has some sort of issues yes even the mighty Colt. My Bushmaster has been flawless since I bought it in jan of 12. |
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No company is perfect, Every company has some sort of issues yes even the mighty Colt. My Bushmaster has been flawless since I bought it in jan of 12. Quoted:
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Pre-freedom group Bushmasters are probably gtg. I'd beg to differ. I put together 10 guns for myself and a few friends several years ago with Bushmaster uppers and as far as I know, they all ran great. My buddies all loved them and the two or three that I kept always ran flawlessly. I'm still running one regularly that has gone bang every time I've pulled the trigger. Now I realize that 10 is a small sample size, but my guess is, it's much larger than most people's experiences who have chimed in on this thread. This is the last one I have from that batch. It has about 4 thousand rounds through it and has been run in two classes. I recently gave it an update to fit my shooting style but the guts are the same: <a href="http://s34.photobucket.com/user/RyantheHutt/media/8-9-13/P1070224_zpsc4eca69b.jpg.html" target="_blank">http://i34.photobucket.com/albums/d109/RyantheHutt/8-9-13/P1070224_zpsc4eca69b.jpg</a> I'm glad that your experience has been positive, but as I'm sure you can infer from my posts, mine have not. Two BM uppers I purchased in 2006 were so overgassed right out of the box that i had to run Sprinco red action springs along with H3 buffers to band-aid the problem. A very close friend of mine purchased a factory built BM rifle that would only function as a single shot weapon. In diagnosing the issue for him i removed the FSB only to find that NO gas port had been drilled. NONE! BM obviously took care of him, but i consider that beside the point. It's expected that they should take care of it, but it's also expected, at least by me, that these things dont happen in the first place. I havent experienced any of these issues with the many Colt, BCM, DD, etc. rifles that I've owned/shot. As with you, a very small sample size, but three strikes out of three swings left a very bad taste in my mouth. Im glad that you havent experienced the same misfortunes in dealing with BM rifles/products. No company is perfect, Every company has some sort of issues yes even the mighty Colt. My Bushmaster has been flawless since I bought it in jan of 12. I completely agree, but as I stated, three strikes in a row left a bad taste in my mouth. Obviously, prior to those personal experiences, I had nothing against BM or I wouldn't have purchased their product, had a not so great experience, then decided to give them another shot and purchase another hoping for a better result the second time around, which I still didn't receive. The third strike was just the end of the line for me. They've been in the game long enough to know how to correct these simple mistakes and move forward, not in reverse. ETA: I'm glad you've had a positive experience with your BM product. They should all be that way, but unfortunately, they're not. |
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I bought 2 bushmaster ARs 10 years ago and they've been flawless. The stuff they're offering NIB now days is questionable. What kind of problems have you found in the recent ones? I have a recent one and haven't found anything wrong, but would love to know what to watch out for. |
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There is nothing wrong with bushmasters. Im sick of all this hate, its stupid. Just because people don't own a Colt 6920 they get the cold shoulder. You guns sucks, blah, blah, blah. Well just google "Colt AR15 Issues" THERE ARE PROBLEMS EVERYWHERE" Every manufacturer makes lemons.
Ive got 3000 rounds through my Bushmaster M4A3 bought new in Jan 2013. If any of you haters live in Kansas City I will be MORE than happy to meet you at any range. Bring whatever ammo you want. Federal, Steel cased, Remington, Reloads, etc.. Hell, I will supply the ammo. I don't care, my gun will eat it all and ask for more. Just 2 days ago I filled up 5 magazines and proceeded to rapid fire through all 5 within just a few moments. Barrel was pretty hot but it had no problems going through are few more magazines that were filled with 5.56 Federal afterwards. All guns should be inspected before purchase. Firing pins go bad, extractor and springs go bad, bolts go bad, etc.. It doesn't matter the brand. If they were perfect then why is there a HUGE aftermarket for these items? |
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Yep. Bushmaster ain't bushmaster any more. Look into Windham Weapomry! They are quality! Quoted:
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Remmasters. Yep. Bushmaster ain't bushmaster any more. Look into Windham Weapomry! They are quality! After doing my homework, and learning the Bushmaster / Windham story, I purchased the Windham Weaponry M4 A4. It has been perfect. http://farm8.staticflickr.com/7353/8729539160_2ef6047918_b.jpg IMG_4344001001b by Frank Fasulo (appsyscons), on Flickr |
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After doing my homework, and learning the Bushmaster / Windham story, I purchased the Windham Weaponry M4 A4. It has been perfect. [email=http://www.flickr.com/photos/43835830@N06/8729539160/]http://farm8.staticflickr.com/7353/8729539160_2ef6047918_b.jpg[/email] IMG_4344001001b by Frank Fasulo (appsyscons), on Flickr Quoted:
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Remmasters. Yep. Bushmaster ain't bushmaster any more. Look into Windham Weapomry! They are quality! After doing my homework, and learning the Bushmaster / Windham story, I purchased the Windham Weaponry M4 A4. It has been perfect. [email=http://www.flickr.com/photos/43835830@N06/8729539160/]http://farm8.staticflickr.com/7353/8729539160_2ef6047918_b.jpg[/email] IMG_4344001001b by Frank Fasulo (appsyscons), on Flickr Good for you but those are the same people that made mistakes before but im glad it works for you. |
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If they were perfect then why is there a HUGE aftermarket for these items? 99% of that aftermarket is accessories. I see guys with BM, WW, DPMS, ATI, etc. rifles all the time on these forums and in the shop who buy a BCM bolt carrier group and replace their brand new bolt carrier group with it. Why are they doing this? Why are they buying weapons they don't trust only to go out and replace their factory parts with whatever they feel is an upgrade? It's ridiculous. I'm all for supporting the firearms industry, but to go out and spend $900 on a brand new Windham Weaponry only to come home to your computer and order up a $200 replacement BCG to throw in it just doesn't make sense. With that extra $200 they just spent, they could've just bought the damn better rifle from the start. People aren't too bright these days... |
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Pre Freedom Group, BMs were great! I have acquired, and assembled, many BM uppers between 1993 and 2005. It's 2013 and ALL of them have performed flawlessly, some with non-staked carriers. Accuracy was great and no part has failed or has shown signs for concern. Post Freedom Group, IMHO, I'd pass on it, In the early days, people unjustifiably ragged on BM, drinking Colt cool-aid and saying things like "go chrome or go home". (I've owned Colts and sold them mostly because I didn't like purple receivers. ). Sometimes I think that BRD is not unlike DrSeuss' "The Sneetches". The truth is that the difference in most AR components is marginal, and the ones with stars on their bellies aren't really any better. For example in the Industry forum, ADCO had a thread about an 18 month 15k stainless (RRA-Wilson) barrel that dispels a lot of b.s. about stainless barrels. It doesn't take much to assemble a great rifle and a Model 1 Chrome Moly that I assembled as a birthday gift for a high school kid shot as well as my Krieger. The exception? I think not. My RRA/Wilson is no different than my Krieger, WOA or Douglas. I should have used Model 1 barrels (which was considered trash) and bought more ammo with the savings...but the cool-aid was strong. Just my 2 decade perspective. There just is no substitute for experience, and "experience" is what you get when you don't get what you wanted. Quote from a DK song. Star belly sneetches you want everyone to act like you. |
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Or did they buy that new BCG because they are drinking the "must upgrade" Kool-Aid?
There are people who buy a brand new, decent quality rifle and then rip it apart to replace whatever parts the peanut gallery says they have to use. Just look in ANY topic related to optics for some real EOTech and Aimpoint Kool-Aid. I've had people ask me about things they've read on this forum, and some are just crazy... like ANY AR, even a range queen, has to have a $260 aftermarket trigger or it will fail. |
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Or did they buy that new BCG because they are drinking the "must upgrade" Kool-Aid? There are people who buy a brand new, decent quality rifle and then rip it apart to replace whatever parts the peanut gallery says they have to use. Just look in ANY topic related to optics for some real EOTech and Aimpoint Kool-Aid. I've had people ask me about things they've read on this forum, and some are just crazy... like ANY AR, even a range queen, has to have a $260 aftermarket trigger or it will fail. I agree to a point. If they were doing it because it was the cool thing to do, they probably should've just bought the BCM complete rifle to begin with. Buying high end shit only because you think it makes you cooler is fucking idiotic. |
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99% of that aftermarket is accessories. I see guys with BM, WW, DPMS, ATI, etc. rifles all the time on these forums and in the shop who buy a BCM bolt carrier group and replace their brand new bolt carrier group with it. Why are they doing this? Why are they buying weapons they don't trust only to go out and replace their factory parts with whatever they feel is an upgrade? It's ridiculous. I'm all for supporting the firearms industry, but to go out and spend $900 on a brand new Windham Weaponry only to come home to your computer and order up a $200 replacement BCG to throw in it just doesn't make sense. With that extra $200 they just spent, they could've just bought the damn better rifle from the start. People aren't too bright these days... Quoted:
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If they were perfect then why is there a HUGE aftermarket for these items? 99% of that aftermarket is accessories. I see guys with BM, WW, DPMS, ATI, etc. rifles all the time on these forums and in the shop who buy a BCM bolt carrier group and replace their brand new bolt carrier group with it. Why are they doing this? Why are they buying weapons they don't trust only to go out and replace their factory parts with whatever they feel is an upgrade? It's ridiculous. I'm all for supporting the firearms industry, but to go out and spend $900 on a brand new Windham Weaponry only to come home to your computer and order up a $200 replacement BCG to throw in it just doesn't make sense. With that extra $200 they just spent, they could've just bought the damn better rifle from the start. People aren't too bright these days... I'll tell you why I did it, I can't speak for anyone else but I got tired of people talking shit about my Bushmaster, they claimed how shitty staked my gas keys were even though I proved them wrong. They also claimed that my BCG would shatter into pieces because it wasn't MP tested. So I said F it i'll buy a BCM BCG so I don't have to constantly defend my rifle. |
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I'll tell you why I did it, I can't speak for anyone else but I got tired of people talking shit about my Bushmaster, they claimed how shitty staked my gas keys were even though I proved them wrong. They also claimed that my BCG would shatter into pieces because it wasn't MP tested. So I said F it i'll buy a BCM BCG so I don't have to constantly defend my rifle. I have the same "shitty" semi-auto BCG that came with my Bushy. Still runs like a champ and keeps up round for round with my Colt 6920. |
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I plan to use my bone stock Bushmaster 2013 M4A3 as my backup 3-Gun carbine. I might drop in an RRA trigger, however. Also using a Lucid HD7 optic. Let the haters hate. My primary will be a 6920 with EOTech, with possibly an RRA trigger if the stock trigger doesn't smoothen out with use like some say it should.
It's just like any hobby- the mods and fads determine what everyone buys more than what makes sense. Maybe I should switch the 6920 to the backup and BM primary just to make people's heads melt. |
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I'll tell you why I did it, I can't speak for anyone else but I got tired of people talking shit about my Bushmaster, they claimed how shitty staked my gas keys were even though I proved them wrong. They also claimed that my BCG would shatter into pieces because it wasn't MP tested. So I said F it i'll buy a BCM BCG so I don't have to constantly defend my rifle. Quoted:
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If they were perfect then why is there a HUGE aftermarket for these items? 99% of that aftermarket is accessories. I see guys with BM, WW, DPMS, ATI, etc. rifles all the time on these forums and in the shop who buy a BCM bolt carrier group and replace their brand new bolt carrier group with it. Why are they doing this? Why are they buying weapons they don't trust only to go out and replace their factory parts with whatever they feel is an upgrade? It's ridiculous. I'm all for supporting the firearms industry, but to go out and spend $900 on a brand new Windham Weaponry only to come home to your computer and order up a $200 replacement BCG to throw in it just doesn't make sense. With that extra $200 they just spent, they could've just bought the damn better rifle from the start. People aren't too bright these days... I'll tell you why I did it, I can't speak for anyone else but I got tired of people talking shit about my Bushmaster, they claimed how shitty staked my gas keys were even though I proved them wrong. They also claimed that my BCG would shatter into pieces because it wasn't MP tested. So I said F it i'll buy a BCM BCG so I don't have to constantly defend my rifle. How does that fix anything? If you were confident in your factory BCG, you wouldn't have replaced it. And there's no need to defend your purchase if you're happy with it and have confidence in it. If it did end up "shattering", then it shattered and you then upgrade. Don't go replacing every part of your rifle that someone tells you isn't up to THEIR standards. They can say what they want, but in the end it is YOUR money and YOUR weapon. Don't spend a bunch of money trying to make other forum members happy, unless you really did it to make yourself happy. |
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I plan to use my bone stock Bushmaster 2013 M4A3 as my backup 3-Gun carbine. I might drop in an RRA trigger, however. Also using a Lucid HD7 optic. Let the haters hate. My primary will be a 6920 with EOTech, with possibly an RRA trigger if the stock trigger doesn't smoothen out with use like some say it should. It's just like any hobby- the mods and fads determine what everyone buys more than what makes sense. Maybe I should switch the 6920 to the backup and BM primary just to make people's heads melt. You bring up a good point. If you don't think your Colt is a better rifle, than why did you decide to make it your primary rifle and leave the BM to collect dust as a backup? Just curious because this post seems to point to the opposite of what I've gathered of your opinion from other posts. |
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How does that fix anything? If you were confident in your factory BCG, you wouldn't have replaced it. And there's no need to defend your purchase if you're happy with it and have confidence in it. If it did end up "shattering", then it shattered and you then upgrade. Don't go replacing every part of your rifle that someone tells you isn't up to THEIR standards. They can say what they want, but in the end it is YOUR money and YOUR weapon. Don't spend a bunch of money trying to make other forum members happy, unless you really did it to make yourself happy. Quoted:
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If they were perfect then why is there a HUGE aftermarket for these items? 99% of that aftermarket is accessories. I see guys with BM, WW, DPMS, ATI, etc. rifles all the time on these forums and in the shop who buy a BCM bolt carrier group and replace their brand new bolt carrier group with it. Why are they doing this? Why are they buying weapons they don't trust only to go out and replace their factory parts with whatever they feel is an upgrade? It's ridiculous. I'm all for supporting the firearms industry, but to go out and spend $900 on a brand new Windham Weaponry only to come home to your computer and order up a $200 replacement BCG to throw in it just doesn't make sense. With that extra $200 they just spent, they could've just bought the damn better rifle from the start. People aren't too bright these days... I'll tell you why I did it, I can't speak for anyone else but I got tired of people talking shit about my Bushmaster, they claimed how shitty staked my gas keys were even though I proved them wrong. They also claimed that my BCG would shatter into pieces because it wasn't MP tested. So I said F it i'll buy a BCM BCG so I don't have to constantly defend my rifle. How does that fix anything? If you were confident in your factory BCG, you wouldn't have replaced it. And there's no need to defend your purchase if you're happy with it and have confidence in it. If it did end up "shattering", then it shattered and you then upgrade. Don't go replacing every part of your rifle that someone tells you isn't up to THEIR standards. They can say what they want, but in the end it is YOUR money and YOUR weapon. Don't spend a bunch of money trying to make other forum members happy, unless you really did it to make yourself happy. I got caught up in the whole mil-spec bullcrap back when I bought it. But regardless i have a back up BCG now. |
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