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Posted: 7/15/2013 2:06:58 PM EDT
| Why would I want a heavy buffer over a standard buffer in a rifle with a 20" HBAR barrel with a rifle length gas system?... Benefits? Pros? Cons? Only if needed? |
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No parts interchange between the rifle buttstock system and the carbine buttstock system. With rifle you have one buffer choice. With carbine (collapsible) you have several choices. Some like to run the heaviest buffer that they can....claim it smooths out cycling. |
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Your thread title is kind of munged up. No parts interchange between the rifle buttstock system and the carbine buttstock system. With rifle you have one buffer choice. With carbine (collapsible) you have several choices. Some like to run the heaviest buffer that they can....claim it smooths out cycling. There is choices, that is why I asked.I didn't say anything about a carbine.I know about carbine and mid length being more violent in their action. But what would be the need or cause you to need a heavy over a standard buffer in a rifle lenght gas system. I guess I should have added the A2 receiver extension to the equation but I thought that was obvious with the 20" barrel. I also live in the Socialist Republic of NJ so there is no collapsible stocks here. Which is fine with me, I have no use for a cramped up short stock. I have extensions on my stock and a custom made grip set back just to make it fit better. |
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Your thread title is kind of munged up. No parts interchange between the rifle buttstock system and the carbine buttstock system. With rifle you have one buffer choice. The reference here is to the rifle buttstock system With carbine (collapsible) you have several choices. Some like to run the heaviest buffer that they can....claim it smooths out cycling. There is choices, that is why I asked.I didn't say anything about a carbine.I know about carbine and mid length being more violent in their action. But what would be the need or cause you to need a heavy over a standard buffer in a rifle lenght gas system.I guess I should have added the A2 receiver extension to the equation but I thought that was obvious with the 20" barrel. I also live in the Socialist Republic of NJ so there is no collapsible stocks here. Which is fine with me, I have no use for a cramped up short stock. I have extensions on my stock and a custom made grip set back just to make it fit better. No, it's not obvious what you have. 20" does not dictate RE type. If you have the rifle buttstock system you have one buffer choice only. The rifle buffer. It will not work in the carbine (collapsible buttstock system) and the shorter carbine buffers will not work in your rifle system. No parts interchange between the two systems. The original design was with a rifle buttstock system and generally speaking they have a smooth recoil impulse. The various weights available to the carbine system try to emulate the smoothness of the rifle. There are custom heavier rifle buffers around but the rifle buffer is already pretty heavy and these are rarely used. There are also extra-power springs available to rifle but they are rarely needed. |
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So I have a Collapsible stock, my 20" upper with a rifle length gas tube. With this not function correctly? What you have is fine. What was stated is that parts from a rifle length BUFFER system (ie: fixed A2-style stock) will not work with a carbine length BUFFER system. The tubes, springs, and buffers themselves are all different. Any -gas- system will work with any -buffer- length |
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There is choices, that is why I asked.I didn't say anything about a carbine.I know about carbine and mid length being more violent in their action. But what would be the need or cause you to need a heavy over a standard buffer in a rifle lenght gas system. I guess I should have added the A2 receiver extension to the equation but I thought that was obvious with the 20" barrel. I also live in the Socialist Republic of NJ so there is no collapsible stocks here. Which is fine with me, I have no use for a cramped up short stock. I have extensions on my stock and a custom made grip set back just to make it fit better. Quoted:
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Your thread title is kind of munged up. No parts interchange between the rifle buttstock system and the carbine buttstock system. With rifle you have one buffer choice. With carbine (collapsible) you have several choices. Some like to run the heaviest buffer that they can....claim it smooths out cycling. There is choices, that is why I asked.I didn't say anything about a carbine.I know about carbine and mid length being more violent in their action. But what would be the need or cause you to need a heavy over a standard buffer in a rifle lenght gas system. I guess I should have added the A2 receiver extension to the equation but I thought that was obvious with the 20" barrel. I also live in the Socialist Republic of NJ so there is no collapsible stocks here. Which is fine with me, I have no use for a cramped up short stock. I have extensions on my stock and a custom made grip set back just to make it fit better. Here is where you're wrong. If you have a Rifle RE then you DON'T have choices. It's rifle buffer and that's it. |
| Like I said,l I know you CAN'T interchange collapsible buffers with rifle buffers. That wasn't even part of the question or ever mentioned by me. And yes you DO have choices when it comes to rifle length buffers when it comes to weight like I said in the OP. I wouldn't have asked if only one type was presented to me. So for those that say there is only one choice, I guess don't know enough about the topic or didn't read all of what I had to say. Others that knew what I was talking about gave good advice and confirmed what I thought, and for that, thank you. |
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No, it's not obvious what you have. 20" does not dictate RE type. If you have the rifle buttstock system you have one buffer choice only. The rifle buffer. It will not work in the carbine (collapsible buttstock system) and the shorter carbine buffers will not work in your rifle system. No parts interchange between the two systems. The original design was with a rifle buttstock system and generally speaking they have a smooth recoil impulse. The various weights available to the carbine system try to emulate the smoothness of the rifle. There are custom heavier rifle buffers around but the rifle buffer is already pretty heavy and these are rarely used. There are also extra-power springs available to rifle but they are rarely needed. Quoted:
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Your thread title is kind of munged up. No parts interchange between the rifle buttstock system and the carbine buttstock system. With rifle you have one buffer choice. The reference here is to the rifle buttstock system With carbine (collapsible) you have several choices. Some like to run the heaviest buffer that they can....claim it smooths out cycling. There is choices, that is why I asked.I didn't say anything about a carbine.I know about carbine and mid length being more violent in their action. But what would be the need or cause you to need a heavy over a standard buffer in a rifle lenght gas system.I guess I should have added the A2 receiver extension to the equation but I thought that was obvious with the 20" barrel. I also live in the Socialist Republic of NJ so there is no collapsible stocks here. Which is fine with me, I have no use for a cramped up short stock. I have extensions on my stock and a custom made grip set back just to make it fit better. No, it's not obvious what you have. 20" does not dictate RE type. If you have the rifle buttstock system you have one buffer choice only. The rifle buffer. It will not work in the carbine (collapsible buttstock system) and the shorter carbine buffers will not work in your rifle system. No parts interchange between the two systems. The original design was with a rifle buttstock system and generally speaking they have a smooth recoil impulse. The various weights available to the carbine system try to emulate the smoothness of the rifle. There are custom heavier rifle buffers around but the rifle buffer is already pretty heavy and these are rarely used. There are also extra-power springs available to rifle but they are rarely needed. I didn't say it dictated a RE type , I couldn't see someone building a rifle with a 20" or more barrel than putting on a collapsible stock.Seams like it defeats the purpose.Unless it's something special for a kid or someone with short arms.Either way it wouldn't be something common so I shouldn't have to explain it that indepth. If you want short carbine, go collapsible. If you want long barreled rifle, go fixed rifle stock. |
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I didn't say it dictated a RE type , I couldn't see someone building a rifle with a 20" or more barrel than putting on a collapsible stock.Seams like it defeats the purpose.Unless it's something special for a kid or someone with short arms.Either way it wouldn't be something common so I shouldn't have to explain it that indepth. If you want short carbine, go collapsible. If you want long barreled rifle, go fixed rifle stock. Quoted:
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Your thread title is kind of munged up. No parts interchange between the rifle buttstock system and the carbine buttstock system. With rifle you have one buffer choice. The reference here is to the rifle buttstock system With carbine (collapsible) you have several choices. Some like to run the heaviest buffer that they can....claim it smooths out cycling. There is choices, that is why I asked.I didn't say anything about a carbine.I know about carbine and mid length being more violent in their action. But what would be the need or cause you to need a heavy over a standard buffer in a rifle lenght gas system.I guess I should have added the A2 receiver extension to the equation but I thought that was obvious with the 20" barrel. I also live in the Socialist Republic of NJ so there is no collapsible stocks here. Which is fine with me, I have no use for a cramped up short stock. I have extensions on my stock and a custom made grip set back just to make it fit better. No, it's not obvious what you have. 20" does not dictate RE type. If you have the rifle buttstock system you have one buffer choice only. The rifle buffer. It will not work in the carbine (collapsible buttstock system) and the shorter carbine buffers will not work in your rifle system. No parts interchange between the two systems. The original design was with a rifle buttstock system and generally speaking they have a smooth recoil impulse. The various weights available to the carbine system try to emulate the smoothness of the rifle. There are custom heavier rifle buffers around but the rifle buffer is already pretty heavy and these are rarely used. There are also extra-power springs available to rifle but they are rarely needed. I didn't say it dictated a RE type , I couldn't see someone building a rifle with a 20" or more barrel than putting on a collapsible stock.Seams like it defeats the purpose.Unless it's something special for a kid or someone with short arms.Either way it wouldn't be something common so I shouldn't have to explain it that indepth. If you want short carbine, go collapsible. If you want long barreled rifle, go fixed rifle stock. Or someone with, say, body armor. You are aware, of course, that the US military itself was experimenting with rifle-length weapons with collapsible stocks, right? I can see why some of the other posters were questioning your original post. I've been doing this M16/AR15 thing for 40 years, and I don't recall ever seeing a readily-available heavy alternative to the standard rifle buffer. Would you mind sharing it with us? |
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Or someone with, say, body armor. You are aware, of course, that the US military itself was experimenting with rifle-length weapons with collapsible stocks, right? I can see why some of the other posters were questioning your original post. I've been doing this M16/AR15 thing for 40 years, and I don't recall ever seeing a readily-available heavy alternative to the standard rifle buffer. Would you mind sharing it with us? Quoted:
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Your thread title is kind of munged up. No parts interchange between the rifle buttstock system and the carbine buttstock system. With rifle you have one buffer choice. The reference here is to the rifle buttstock system With carbine (collapsible) you have several choices. Some like to run the heaviest buffer that they can....claim it smooths out cycling. There is choices, that is why I asked.I didn't say anything about a carbine.I know about carbine and mid length being more violent in their action. But what would be the need or cause you to need a heavy over a standard buffer in a rifle lenght gas system.I guess I should have added the A2 receiver extension to the equation but I thought that was obvious with the 20" barrel. I also live in the Socialist Republic of NJ so there is no collapsible stocks here. Which is fine with me, I have no use for a cramped up short stock. I have extensions on my stock and a custom made grip set back just to make it fit better. No, it's not obvious what you have. 20" does not dictate RE type. If you have the rifle buttstock system you have one buffer choice only. The rifle buffer. It will not work in the carbine (collapsible buttstock system) and the shorter carbine buffers will not work in your rifle system. No parts interchange between the two systems. The original design was with a rifle buttstock system and generally speaking they have a smooth recoil impulse. The various weights available to the carbine system try to emulate the smoothness of the rifle. There are custom heavier rifle buffers around but the rifle buffer is already pretty heavy and these are rarely used. There are also extra-power springs available to rifle but they are rarely needed. I didn't say it dictated a RE type , I couldn't see someone building a rifle with a 20" or more barrel than putting on a collapsible stock.Seams like it defeats the purpose.Unless it's something special for a kid or someone with short arms.Either way it wouldn't be something common so I shouldn't have to explain it that indepth. If you want short carbine, go collapsible. If you want long barreled rifle, go fixed rifle stock. Or someone with, say, body armor. You are aware, of course, that the US military itself was experimenting with rifle-length weapons with collapsible stocks, right? I can see why some of the other posters were questioning your original post. I've been doing this M16/AR15 thing for 40 years, and I don't recall ever seeing a readily-available heavy alternative to the standard rifle buffer. Would you mind sharing it with us? I've seen it in places like Creedmoore Sports and other NRA high power rifle shooting catalogs and some gun shows. Dementionally the same but heavier weights inside.I figured it was to slow things down a bit but haven't tried it. |
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I've seen it in places like Creedmoore Sports and other NRA high power rifle shooting catalogs and some gun shows. Dementionally the same but heavier weights inside.I figured it was to slow things down a bit but haven't tried it. Quoted:
...snip... I've seen it in places like Creedmoore Sports and other NRA high power rifle shooting catalogs and some gun shows. Dementionally the same but heavier weights inside.I figured it was to slow things down a bit but haven't tried it. OK, fair enough; that's outside of the circles I frequent. Sorry, I'm afraid I can't help you. |
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Slash offers a heavier than stock rifle buffer: Here
OP I would look into a upgraded buffer spring and just run the standard rifle buffer. |
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So why don't you try it and come back and report your findings. Because I'm not a trial and error type guy, research first than build.  That's the German in me. Also I'm not made out of money but I will spend what it takes to do it right or I don't do it at all.What ever I do It will be presented. Going to pick up two 20" HBAR stainless 1in8 twist wylde chamber barrels today. Stock, FF handguard, and Geissele trigger soon to follow.
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Slash offers a heavier than stock rifle buffer: Here OP I would look into a upgraded buffer spring and just run the standard rifle buffer. I would like a better spring. This one isn't like my others. the ends aren't slightly tappered to fit tightly on the buffer. It just slides on and just looks cheap also. |
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