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Posted: 5/31/2013 7:57:54 AM EDT
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Hello everyone,
I'm looking to buy a budget AR. Just to have, and learn about using them. I'm considering picking up a DPMS Oracle for $649 shipped. No sights, so I would have to buy an optic of some sort. The other rifle I'm looking at, is the M&P 15 Sport for $690 shipped. I've done research, and they are fairly close. I know this M&P is not the same as the old one, which is too bad. Otherwise, I'd have picked that one. I know this has been done to death, but all the threads I have found about the M&P are regarding the old one. I have only seen the M&P in person. Can't find the DPMS locally. I'm looking for advice to sway me either way. The final price will be about even after the optic is added in for the DPMS. Any info on feel, quality, trigger, melonite, chromoly? I will most likely be shooting a lot of steel case. I'm not interested in building, or any other rifles. Any advice is greatly appreciated. AC |
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Honestly either one would serve you well for a plinking/range gun. I've had an Oracle and a Sport. There's nothing wrong with DPMS. That being said, I'd buy another Sport if I found a deal on one...I would pass on another Oracle.
My Sport seemed better 'put together'. The gas key staking was much better, the castle nut was staked (not a huge deal but they took the time to do it). I like the melanite barrel on the Sport, and I dislike the gas block on the Oracle. Both guns had around 500 rounds through them when I got rid of them, and both had functioned well. The Sport remained flawless, the DPMS had a few ftf's but I attribute that to the mags I was using. Since you seem honed in on these two particular rifles for your 'budget AR' I won't mention looking into a PSA... 
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Here's my theory. Buy a "budget" rifle now for 650 -700, decide to upgrade to something better, sell your "budget" rifle at a loss of maybe $200 $250 less if you're lucky, then spend maybe another $500 - $600 on your better rifle.
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| I think that idea is right, save some extra money and buy the better rifle now. If you are not happy with the cheaper rifle you would have wasted money and time, who needs that? I thought about it and I decided when it's time to buy I will buy the best rifle I could afford and be happy with it. I know I will make minor changes to it no matter what AR I buy. I don't want to buy a POS and have problems, been that rout with other things in my life. I don't want to spend time on the phone, shipping things back waiting for it to return only to have it not fixed, never again. Either I'm going to have someone build me one or I am going with a Daniel Defense or Noveske. |
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Here's my theory. Buy a "budget" rifle now for 650 -700, decide to upgrade to something better, sell your "budget" rifle at a loss of maybe $200 $250 less if you're lucky, then spend maybe another $500 - $600 on your better rifle. Or just throw in the extra $300-$400 now and buy a better rifle first. Personal experience tells me this is really sound advice. You don't have to go crazy and break the bank on your first AR, but step up into the $900-1000 range now and you won't regret it later (either from a usage or resale perspective). Get something now with a good barrel and bolt. Then you can either keep it the way it is or tweak til your hearst desire. |
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Personally, I'd go the route of getting a stripped lower, parts kit, and stock, put that together yourself, then shop around for a nice upper to go with it. I've built one like that already, and have a complete lower hanging around waiting for an upper. Stripped lowers are about $100-150, $60-100 for a lower parts kit, and $30-80 for a stock kit. And you can go for better than stock trigger parts if you wish, too. Plus you get the satisfaction of knowing you built at least part of it yourself.  |
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Honestly either one would serve you well for a plinking/range gun. I've had an Oracle and a Sport. There's nothing wrong with DPMS. That being said, I'd buy another Sport if I found a deal on one...I would pass on another Oracle. My Sport seemed better 'put together'. The gas key staking was much better, the castle nut was staked (not a huge deal but they took the time to do it). I like the melanite barrel on the Sport, and I dislike the gas block on the Oracle. Both guns had around 500 rounds through them when I got rid of them, and both had functioned well. The Sport remained flawless, the DPMS had a few ftf's but I attribute that to the mags I was using. Since you seem honed in on these two particular rifles for your 'budget AR' I won't mention looking into a PSA... Thanks for the reply!! The M&P has a better warranty as well. I have heard and seen on youtube, reviews on both, and owners of both seem pretty happy. I guess i should think about whether i want optics or iron sights off the bat. I also think the melonite is a better barrel. Did you shoot steel case through both of them as well? I've looked at a bunch of ARs. I know PSA makes good ones, but they are another $150 more in a built rifle. Where does the price cutoff end? lol 
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I'm not interested in building, or any other rifles. Thanks. And while I understand people are trying to help. I've been researching for a while, and for a range gun, I will shoot 3-4 times per year, why do I need to spend an extra $500? Chances are, I won't really be able to tell a difference. I would rather spend those $500 on ammo IMO. |
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Charles has the right idea, but if an extra $300-$400 isn't in the budget and you're deciding between those two I'd go with the sport. I have one and love it, never had one hiccup with it and I've put hundreds of steel case rounds down range and close to a thousand of brass cased rounds. Just keep it wet. A lot of people look down on the sport because it doesn't have a dust cover or a forward assist, now let me say this- yes it's nice to have all the bells and whistles, but do I think it's a deal breaker? Not at all. I've not once had a round not go into battery and I don't plan on dragging my sport through sand storms and mud pits. something tells me it'd still function properly even if I did lol. Anyway that's just my opinion and experience I've had with mine
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Building a budget AR is the way to go. It isn't very difficult. However sometimes finding parts can be difficult. If you patient you can build a solid AR.
Between a S&W Sport or DPMS sportical, the S&W is a better gun. Really nothing wrong with a DPMS, if you can find a good deal. Equal price, S&W. DPMS $100 less, if it works for you get it. I have used a lot of DPMS parts and none have failed. I've not owned a complete DPMS, but i've shot plenty and know owners of DPMS. I can't think of a failure. I have no problem with starting with a less expensive gun and add to it. A cheaper gun gives you a platform to learn as you add or mod. |
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I know you said you didn't want to build, but "building" an AR only takes about 15 minutes more than stripping it for a detailed cleaning. You can even buy "rifle kits" that include an assembled barreled upper and all the lower parts. Building the rifle entails nothing more than pushing in some springs and pins. |
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Quoted: Building a budget AR is the way to go. It isn't very difficult. However sometimes finding parts can be difficult. If you patient you can build a solid AR. Between a S&W Sport or DPMS sportical, the S&W is a better gun. Really nothing wrong with a DPMS, if you can find a good deal. Equal price, S&W. DPMS $100 less, if it works for you get it. I have used a lot of DPMS parts and none have failed. I've not owned a complete DPMS, but i've shot plenty and know owners of DPMS. I can't think of a failure. I have no problem with starting with a less expensive gun and add to it. A cheaper gun gives you a platform to learn as you add or mod. That's what I was thinking. The lowers are so easy to put together. Just follow the few simple steps in the arfcom how to, and it should take you maybe 30-40 minutes if you take your time. Kinda cool seeing how all the parts interact with each other, and it's a good learning experience. I don't think I'll ever buy a complete AR ever again. Complete upper? Absolutely. Lower? Nah. |
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Charles has the right idea, but if an extra $300-$400 isn't in the budget and you're deciding between those two I'd go with the sport. I have one and love it, never had one hiccup with it and I've put hundreds of steel case rounds down range and close to a thousand of brass cased rounds. Just keep it wet. A lot of people look down on the sport because it doesn't have a dust cover or a forward assist, now let me say this- yes it's nice to have all the bells and whistles, but do I think it's a deal breaker? Not at all. I've not once had a round not go into battery and I don't plan on dragging my sport through sand storms and mud pits. something tells me it'd still function properly even if I did lol. Anyway that's just my opinion and experience I've had with mine
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snip Thanks for the reply!! The M&P has a better warranty as well. I have heard and seen on youtube, reviews on both, and owners of both seem pretty happy. I guess i should think about whether i want optics or iron sights off the bat. I also think the melonite is a better barrel. Did you shoot steel case through both of them as well? I've looked at a bunch of ARs. I know PSA makes good ones, but they are another $150 more in a built rifle. Where does the price cutoff end? lol Roughly half the round count on each rifle when I got rid of them was steel, and both cycled steel without issue. And, I certainly understand about budget constraints. I think everyone is trying to save you some trouble based on their own experience. Right now you may have no intentions of upgrading and plan to shoot a few times a year. Then no matter which rifle you get, the disease will take hold. Pretty soon you'll find yourself browsing bravo company's website, pkfirearms, and the countless others deciding what you should get next. You'll start taking your gun apart to fully understand how it works...you'll start swapping things out and adding to it, small things at first but then you'll get more brave. At that point you're utterly screwed, and you're eating ramen noodles and raw wieners for lunch to save for your next build. But between the Oracle and Sport, I'd go Sport hands down. |
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Heck I've even gone cheaper than that with my DPMS Sportical and $20 1x4 scope. After thousands of rounds of steel case and brass and over 8,000 rounds of .22 with a conversion bolt, it's been the best money spent in the last 2 years. The only replacement parts has been a cam pin. No problem rocking an 8" gong at 220 yards and I mean she's a rocking
If you do the set screw mod you can take out a lot of the trigger creep. Cheap can be Fun ! |
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snip Thanks for the reply!! The M&P has a better warranty as well. I have heard and seen on youtube, reviews on both, and owners of both seem pretty happy. I guess i should think about whether i want optics or iron sights off the bat. I also think the melonite is a better barrel. Did you shoot steel case through both of them as well? I've looked at a bunch of ARs. I know PSA makes good ones, but they are another $150 more in a built rifle. Where does the price cutoff end? lol Roughly half the round count on each rifle when I got rid of them was steel, and both cycled steel without issue. And, I certainly understand about budget constraints. I think everyone is trying to save you some trouble based on their own experience. Right now you may have no intentions of upgrading and plan to shoot a few times a year. Then no matter which rifle you get, the disease will take hold. Pretty soon you'll find yourself browsing bravo company's website, pkfirearms, and the countless others deciding what you should get next. You'll start taking your gun apart to fully understand how it works...you'll start swapping things out and adding to it, small things at first but then you'll get more brave. At that point you're utterly screwed, and you're eating ramen noodles and raw wieners for lunch to save for your next build. But between the Oracle and Sport, I'd go Sport hands down. Hahahahaha.... Yes, I'm afraid of that too. Add to the fact, we are getting some new gun legislation in a month, and well... I'm not totally stuck on these 2 rifles, but i just don't want to veer too much past the $700. $1000 is a definite no. I already bought an AK because the 7.62 is so much cheaper, but now I want an AR as well...  |
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The best advice I can give you is DON'T buy the DPMS. I may be new here but i'm not new to the AR. I've been shooting AR rifles and carbines since the early 1980s. I traded a CZ upper on a DPMS Lower and the gun dealer said it would have to be the worst lower DPMS ever made. Their new ones are much better. I'd go with the S&W all day long. |
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If you have a Cabela's near you, they should have a decent selection of rifles. The C here has one of the better selections of AR in the area. Cabela's sells Windham weaponry ARs, which are new, but are good quality. A coworker has one and is happy with it. I think they're in your price range. But, between the two options you suggested, I vote for M&P sport. Which you will eventually sell for a BCM/DD. I have a BCM 16" Mid-length and a KAC LPR. I've considered selling my BCM for a KAC MOD1, but not with the current wait times. ARs are like potato chips; it never stops at 1. Oh, and if you end up with a rifle with a twang-y recoil spring (spring rings in the buffer tube), just lube up the spring with some wheel bearing grease and it should quiet down. |
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If you have a Cabela's near you, they should have a decent selection of rifles. The C here has one of the better selections of AR in the area. Cabela's sells Windham weaponry ARs, which are new, but are good quality. A coworker has one and is happy with it. I think they're in your price range. But, between the two options you suggested, I vote for M&P sport. Which you will eventually sell for a BCM/DD. I have a BCM 16" Mid-length and a KAC LPR. I've considered selling my BCM for a KAC MOD1, but not with the current wait times. ARs are like potato chips; it never stops at 1. Oh, and if you end up with a rifle with a twang-y recoil spring (spring rings in the buffer tube), just lube up the spring with some wheel bearing grease and it should quiet down. Man, i wish we had a Cabelas nearby. The closest one to me, is 5 hours away. I'd have to drive to a few different shops to try to find the rifles, just to end up ordering online. I have seen some WW come up on some deals. I can probably do $800 if it's THAT much of a better rifle. I have read good stuff about them so far, but I don't know my way around the ARs enough yet to know if it would be worth it to me. |
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snip Thanks for the reply!! The M&P has a better warranty as well. I have heard and seen on youtube, reviews on both, and owners of both seem pretty happy. I guess i should think about whether i want optics or iron sights off the bat. I also think the melonite is a better barrel. Did you shoot steel case through both of them as well? I've looked at a bunch of ARs. I know PSA makes good ones, but they are another $150 more in a built rifle. Where does the price cutoff end? lol Roughly half the round count on each rifle when I got rid of them was steel, and both cycled steel without issue. And, I certainly understand about budget constraints. I think everyone is trying to save you some trouble based on their own experience. Right now you may have no intentions of upgrading and plan to shoot a few times a year. Then no matter which rifle you get, the disease will take hold. Pretty soon you'll find yourself browsing bravo company's website, pkfirearms, and the countless others deciding what you should get next. You'll start taking your gun apart to fully understand how it works...you'll start swapping things out and adding to it, small things at first but then you'll get more brave. At that point you're utterly screwed, and you're eating ramen noodles and raw wieners for lunch to save for your next build. But between the Oracle and Sport, I'd go Sport hands down. I lol'd. this is so sooo true, there is no stopping the disease that's for sure
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Charles has the right idea, but if an extra $300-$400 isn't in the budget and you're deciding between those two I'd go with the sport. I have one and love it, never had one hiccup with it and I've put hundreds of steel case rounds down range and close to a thousand of brass cased rounds. Just keep it wet. A lot of people look down on the sport because it doesn't have a dust cover or a forward assist, now let me say this- yes it's nice to have all the bells and whistles, but do I think it's a deal breaker? Not at all. I've not once had a round not go into battery and I don't plan on dragging my sport through sand storms and mud pits. something tells me it'd still function properly even if I did lol. Anyway that's just my opinion and experience I've had with mine
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This is the correct answer Get the PSA at around the budget you are looking for. Tou will be able to run with the colt boys any day. They will respect you at the end of the day. You just wont have a Pony
to ride home with at the end of the day. However you will be sporting a canon and some big balls.
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Honestly either one would serve you well for a plinking/range gun. I've had an Oracle and a Sport. There's nothing wrong with DPMS. That being said, I'd buy another Sport if I found a deal on one...I would pass on another Oracle. My Sport seemed better 'put together'. The gas key staking was much better, the castle nut was staked (not a huge deal but they took the time to do it). I like the melanite barrel on the Sport, and I dislike the gas block on the Oracle. Both guns had around 500 rounds through them when I got rid of them, and both had functioned well. The Sport remained flawless, the DPMS had a few ftf's but I attribute that to the mags I was using. Since you seem honed in on these two particular rifles for your 'budget AR' I won't mention looking into a PSA... |
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Hello everyone, I'm looking to buy a budget AR. Just to have, and learn about using them. I'm considering picking up a DPMS Oracle for $649 shipped. No sights, so I would have to buy an optic of some sort. The other rifle I'm looking at, is the M&P 15 Sport for $690 shipped. I've done research, and they are fairly close. I know this M&P is not the same as the old one, which is too bad. Otherwise, I'd have picked that one. I know this has been done to death, but all the threads I have found about the M&P are regarding the old one. I have only seen the M&P in person. Can't find the DPMS locally. I'm looking for advice to sway me either way. The final price will be about even after the optic is added in for the DPMS. Any info on feel, quality, trigger, melonite, chromoly? I will most likely be shooting a lot of steel case. I'm not interested in building, or any other rifles. Any advice is greatly appreciated. AC Look into a Spikes tac, Del-Ton or Palmetto State Armory for a rifle in that price range thats higher quality. If you absolutely will not look at other rifles.. the MP15. |
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1) Save up a bit more and get something in a higher tier, You will sleep sounder knowing you bought something that you dont want to replace later.
2) I own a DPMS oracle, the only negative thing I can say is about the lower height gas block which will make it necessary to get a gas block height front iron sight. Other than that nothing wrong with it. About 500 rounds through it and no snags. |
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Well, still looking at other rifles. i've decided to eliminate the DPMS.
So, now I'm still looking at the M&P 15 Sport $690, vs the Windham Weaponry SRC $780. What am I gettting for the extra $90? Plus, factor in, the optics needed for the WW ($40 for a cheap red dot). Both have lifetime warranties. From my research, I think the melonite will do me better for the steel case. And it's a bit more accurate than chrome lined (on avg). I like the Delton also, would serve me well. Had one for $615, but Buds cancelled my order 
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Well, still looking at other rifles. i've decided to eliminate the DPMS. So, now I'm still looking at the M&P 15 Sport $690, vs the Windham Weaponry SRC $780. What am I gettting for the extra $90? Plus, factor in, the optics needed for the WW ($40 for a cheap red dot). Both have lifetime warranties. From my research, I think the melonite will do me better for the steel case. And it's a bit more accurate than chrome lined (on avg). I like the Delton also, would serve me well. Had one for $615, but Buds cancelled my order I haven't looked at the Windham Weaponry SRC but for the extra $90 you're probably getting a forward assist and a dust cover. (The M&P Sport doesn't have them) |
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Well, still looking at other rifles. i've decided to eliminate the DPMS. So, now I'm still looking at the M&P 15 Sport $690, vs the Windham Weaponry SRC $780. What am I gettting for the extra $90? Plus, factor in, the optics needed for the WW ($40 for a cheap red dot). Both have lifetime warranties. From my research, I think the melonite will do me better for the steel case. And it's a bit more accurate than chrome lined (on avg). I like the Delton also, would serve me well. Had one for $615, but Buds cancelled my order The SRC does have a dust cover and forward assist, also 4150 CL barrel. But, going back to something you said earlier about where to draw the line, as you creep up the budget amount you have to ask if for a little bit more could you get a substantially better rifle. Don't get me wrong, nothing against Windhams, but I'd almost rather pocket the savings and get the Sport, or save a little bit more and get a BCM or a Colt. And I'd be remiss if I didn't, once again, mention that you can get a fine PSA for pretty much the budget you've already specified in your OP, so I wouldn't count them out. |
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Note that the M&P Sport is not the same incredible value it was, since they've dropped the 1:8 5R barrel. Lining on current one is "something", but not chrome, and Melonite no longer mentioned either. Neither is twist, though some have said it's 1:9.
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Well, still looking at other rifles. i've decided to eliminate the DPMS. So, now I'm still looking at the M&P 15 Sport $690, vs the Windham Weaponry SRC $780. What am I gettting for the extra $90? Plus, factor in, the optics needed for the WW ($40 for a cheap red dot). Both have lifetime warranties. From my research, I think the melonite will do me better for the steel case. And it's a bit more accurate than chrome lined (on avg). I like the Delton also, would serve me well. Had one for $615, but Buds cancelled my order Can you order a "California" model (10 round mags) from Buds? That should be "Colorado compliant." |
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I think that idea is right, save some extra money and buy the better rifle now. If you are not happy with the cheaper rifle you would have wasted money and time, who needs that? I thought about it and I decided when it's time to buy I will buy the best rifle I could afford and be happy with it. I know I will make minor changes to it no matter what AR I buy. I don't want to buy a POS and have problems, been that rout with other things in my life. I don't want to spend time on the phone, shipping things back waiting for it to return only to have it not fixed, never again. Either I'm going to have someone build me one or I am going with a Daniel Defense or Noveske. That would be my thinking, too. I wouldn't waste the money on one that is harder to sell, just get a good one to begin with. |
I would think you would be fine with either. I own a DPMS and have a good friend that owns S&W. Mine has been reliable and I cannot complain about the price. The worst thing is the trigger, it's "gritty" for lack of a better word to use. I can hold my own out to 150 with friends and their RRs, S&Ws, BMs, and others, although my friend's Mk12 Mod 0 eats my lunch.  We don't shoot out past 150 too often so I haven't had a chance to test it.
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The SRC does have a dust cover and forward assist, also 4150 CL barrel. But, going back to something you said earlier about where to draw the line, as you creep up the budget amount you have to ask if for a little bit more could you get a substantially better rifle. Don't get me wrong, nothing against Windhams, but I'd almost rather pocket the savings and get the Sport, or save a little bit more and get a BCM or a Colt. And I'd be remiss if I didn't, once again, mention that you can get a fine PSA for pretty much the budget you've already specified in your OP, so I wouldn't count them out. Oh, if I could find a PSA for $700-$800, I'd be all over it. Pre-built. Kygunco had one for $799 in March, haven't seen any since. I would also rather pocket the $90 and skip the FA/DC. That stuff just doesn't matter to me. If all they say about the melonite, is true, then, I'd rather get the sport. Which looks like I will, if something doesn't come up that's a better buy. |
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Can you order a "California" model (10 round mags) from Buds? That should be "Colorado compliant." Haha.. I should still have until July 1st before we have to put up w/that BS. IMO, screw Buds from now on. I just found out they shipped the same rifle to another CO person a day earlier. No point in fighting w/them anymore since the Deltons are gone. Just will never ever buy from them. |
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Note that the M&P Sport is not the same incredible value it was, since they've dropped the 1:8 5R barrel. Lining on current one is "something", but not chrome, and Melonite no longer mentioned either. Neither is twist, though some have said it's 1:9. Still a fine rifle, but not the killer deal it was previously. - OS Agree that it's not the same sport, but they still kept the melonite from my research. 6R, 1:9 twist which I'm ok with, since I will probably only/mostly shoot 55g. Still lifetime warranty at least. |
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Here is your budget option... .http://<a href=http://i1361.photobucket.com/albums/r669/GSD2053/20130527_184354_zps4e4591c2.jpg</a>" /> Here is your heritage Option.... http://<a href=http://i1361.photobucket.com/albums/r669/GSD2053/20130527_181941_zpsa2203509.jpg</a>" /> Notice a real difference between the two? |
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I have no dog in this fight as my only AR (asside from the Bushmaster I am issued for work) is a Colt LE6920 like the one pictured in the previous post. With that said I would highly suggest that you search high and low for a PSA in your budget. Spend some time researching the materials/features that make an AR. You will quickly see that there are meny companies that will charge more for a lesser product simply because buyers cant immediately reecognize the difference.
My vote goes to a PSA even if you have to order an upper and a lower and push two pins to assemble it. Of the two rifles you originally mentioned... The Smith is the clear winner although a PSA is a much better value in the same price range. So to recap... Get a PSA. If not then the Smith is an okay choice. Your money. |
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Found a PSA PSAM4-CL-F for $750 shipped. I am about half-way into buying it. Supposed to call back and change to CC payment later today.
Same as this one. http://www.kygunco.com/palmetto-state-armory-m4-orc-16-556-mil-spec-62483 My question goes back to, how will it do with steel case? I will try to shoot brass when I can, but TBH, it will most likely see 90% steel. Let me know, what you guys think ASAP. Thanks! |
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Found a PSA PSAM4-CL-F for $750 shipped. I am about half-way into buying it. Supposed to call back and change to CC payment later today. Same as this one. http://www.kygunco.com/palmetto-state-armory-m4-orc-16-556-mil-spec-62483 My question goes back to, how will it do with steel case? I will try to shoot brass when I can, but TBH, it will most likely see 90% steel. Let me know, what you guys think ASAP. Thanks! Congrats! I don't think you'll be disappointed. Your new rifle shouldn't have any problems cycling steel. Be sure to keep it lubed, and have fun with it. |
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Found a PSA PSAM4-CL-F for $750 shipped. I am about half-way into buying it. Supposed to call back and change to CC payment later today. Same as this one. http://www.kygunco.com/palmetto-state-armory-m4-orc-16-556-mil-spec-62483 My question goes back to, how will it do with steel case? I will try to shoot brass when I can, but TBH, it will most likely see 90% steel. Let me know, what you guys think ASAP. Thanks! Congrats! I don't think you'll be disappointed. Your new rifle shouldn't have any problems cycling steel. Be sure to keep it lubed, and have fun with it. So, I'm guessing that's a much better buy? Better quality/value than the WW as well?
I know I am probably over thinking this, but the 1:7 twist on the PSA will still be ok for 55g? I am just starting to read about it, since I just found the PSA. This is basically a budget/fun plinker to get myself learning about ARs. I don't mind spending more, for a better value, but my thinking now, is to get 1000 rounds of cheap steel case, and shoot shoot shoot. |
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