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[ARCHIVED THREAD] - Entry level AR 15 (Page 1 of 2)
Posted: 6/2/2012 12:44:52 PM EDT
| I have been selling higher end AR's but sometimes I get a few customers that want a entry level AR for about $600 to $ 700. What AR is considered a good entry level gun that a customer would be happy with? |
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I have been selling higher end AR's but sometimes I get a few customers that want a entry level AR for about $600 to $ 700. What AR is considered a good entry level gun that a customer would be happy with? Walmart colts Those are $1154 after tax around here. If they were $600 to $700, I would probably have three of them by now. |
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I have been selling higher end AR's but sometimes I get a few customers that want a entry level AR for about $600 to $ 700. What AR is considered a good entry level gun that a customer would be happy with? Walmart colts Those are $1154 after tax around here. If they were $600 to $700, I would probably have three of them by now. Should be able to find one for less than $1,000.00 without much effort. http://dsgarms.com/ProductInfo/COAR6720.aspx |
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I have been selling higher end AR's but sometimes I get a few customers that want a entry level AR for about $600 to $ 700. What AR is considered a good entry level gun that a customer would be happy with? Walmart colts Those are $1154 after tax around here. If they were $600 to $700, I would probably have three of them by now. Should be able to find one for less than $1,000.00 without much effort. http://dsgarms.com/ProductInfo/COAR6720.aspx Still isn't anywhere near $600 to $700. And after shipping and transfer fee, I would rather just spend the extra $100 and go to Walmart. |
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Doubestar are pretty good rifles for the $$$. They can be had for around $650 and have most of the features that most of the casual plinkers would want. This QFT. My first AR was a DoubleStar, and it's a nice rifle. The M&P Sport might carry better on name brand alone. Maybe offer both to round out your bottom end? Also, look into stocking Primary Arms optics for those flat tops - they're well reviewed here and pretty affordable compared to a real Aimpoint. |
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I have been recommending Core 15 and Windham Weaponry for beginner AR's. We sell them in the mid $800 range. We ordered about 8 or 10 of each if I remember correctly, and we are down to our last two or three Core 15 and the Windhams are all sold out. None of them have come back for any reason, and our customers seem to be very happy with them because they are buying the accessories for them also. |
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I have been recommending Core 15 and Windham Weaponry for beginner AR's. We sell them in the mid $800 range. We ordered about 8 or 10 of each if I remember correctly, and we are down to our last two or three Core 15 and the Windhams are all sold out. None of them have come back for any reason, and our customers seem to be very happy with them because they are buying the accessories for them also. I think Core 15 is down the road from in Ocala. Spikes is 8 miles from my house. |
| Another vote for the S&W Sport from this perspective: Many of the players in the "budget" AR game may not be recognizable to a new AR buyer that isn't necessarily an enthusiast(yet). But S&W is a name that is probably known even by a person with mild firearms enthusiasm. |
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You sell AR's but don't know what a good entry level option would be?  I sell high end AR's Shew Pooh
Sorry, I only posted that because as a vendor in general you should have an idea.....how else can you gauge why, and what, makes your products worth the extra costs? If a customer asks would you say because it costs more? Or compare it directly against an entry level AR. I am throwing it out there so you can better your service to your customers. |
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You sell AR's but don't know what a good entry level option would be? I sell high end AR's Shew Pooh
Sorry, I only posted that because as a vendor in general you should have an idea.....how else can you gauge why, and what, makes your products worth the extra costs? If a customer asks would you say because it costs more? Or compare it directly against an entry level AR. I am throwing it out there so you can better your service to your customers. Your original post was not constructive criticism at all. |
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You sell AR's but don't know what a good entry level option would be? I sell high end AR's Shew Pooh
Sorry, I only posted that because as a vendor in general you should have an idea.....how else can you gauge why, and what, makes your products worth the extra costs? If a customer asks would you say because it costs more? Or compare it directly against an entry level AR. I am throwing it out there so you can better your service to your customers. Your original post was not constructive criticism at all. Neither was his second. It's pretty ironic that the OP came on here to ask a question so he could learn something, and he got pounced on for not knowing that very same thing. |
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You sell AR's but don't know what a good entry level option would be? I sell high end AR's Shew Pooh
Sorry, I only posted that because as a vendor in general you should have an idea.....how else can you gauge why, and what, makes your products worth the extra costs? If a customer asks would you say because it costs more? Or compare it directly against an entry level AR. I am throwing it out there so you can better your service to your customers. Your original post was not constructive criticism at all. Neither was his second. It's pretty ironic that the OP came on here to ask a question so he could learn something, and he got pounced on for not knowing that very same thing. My problem with all this is that the OP stated he "sells high end ARs", more so than the fact that he got pounced on. What does he say to a customer who asks "why should I spent the money for that LMT you are selling rather then buy a RAA or save even more with a Del-Ton rifle?" I would like to think that someone selling "high end" rifles would be able to tell the customer the actual differences between the examples I mentioned, explain the features and benifits, and give some insight into the market positions of each. This is info that the seller should know and a buyer would like to know to make an informative choice when buying a new rifle. Unfortunately this is just another example of just anybody selling a product that they know very little about. Bad for the gun industry and bad for new buyers who need some guidance. Imagine going into a gun store that stocks a few ACOG and some Eotech sights. You are thinking of getting an optic for your rifle and ask the seller what is the difference is between the two. Instead of asking what your intended use is, mentioning important points such as field of view, magnification, battery life and such he says "I'd get the ACOG because that's what all the special forces use in Iraq to kill terrorists a mile away. Besides it looks cool. The Eotech is alright too... if you are only shooting inside a house." Sounds nutty right? Well that's what's going on here. 
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Whats so bad about Del-Ton, Its a nice rifle to start with for the price point and since its all mil spec you can easily replace everything on it and gradually make a high end AR a part at a time kind of deal. You are 100 percent correct. Having owned Colt's and LMT's I can tell you there is nothing wrong with a Del-Ton rifle. |
| Maybe he doest have a gun shop and works out of his house and orders weapons for customers that they want..he comes here lookin g for knowledge and help and gets criticism over not knowing this or that.There should be a new rule on this sight in the tech forums..if help is asked for and all some have is criticism for not knowing wich is why there here asking the question then dont respond if you cant help. |
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You sell AR's but don't know what a good entry level option would be? I sell high end AR's Shew Pooh
Sorry, I only posted that because as a vendor in general you should have an idea.....how else can you gauge why, and what, makes your products worth the extra costs? If a customer asks would you say because it costs more? Or compare it directly against an entry level AR. I am throwing it out there so you can better your service to your customers. Your original post was not constructive criticism at all. Neither was his second. It's pretty ironic that the OP came on here to ask a question so he could learn something, and he got pounced on for not knowing that very same thing. My problem with all this is that the OP stated he "sells high end ARs", more so than the fact that he got pounced on. What does he say to a customer who asks "why should I spent the money for that LMT you are selling rather then buy a RAA or save even more with a Del-Ton rifle?" I would like to think that someone selling "high end" rifles would be able to tell the customer the actual differences between the examples I mentioned, explain the features and benifits, and give some insight into the market positions of each. This is info that the seller should know and a buyer would like to know to make an informative choice when buying a new rifle. Unfortunately this is just another example of just anybody selling a product that they know very little about. Bad for the gun industry and bad for new buyers who need some guidance. Imagine going into a gun store that stocks a few ACOG and some Eotech sights. You are thinking of getting an optic for your rifle and ask the seller what is the difference is between the two. Instead of asking what your intended use is, mentioning important points such as field of view, magnification, battery life and such he says "I'd get the ACOG because that's what all the special forces use in Iraq to kill terrorists a mile away. Besides it looks cool. The Eotech is alright too... if you are only shooting inside a house." Sounds nutty right? Well that's what's going on here.
-Edit for little angry face. Jesus, thank you. It was supposed to enduce thought. I shoudln't have to spell it out. We are adults here. I have a thread going right now where I was "pounced" for not knowing the information I was looking for. 
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| I was notified by CTD earlier this morning that the Stag M3 is back in stock. This is one of the ones that I was looking at when I was thinking about an entry level AR. I think they're going for $750 or so. One of the reasons I liked the M3 was that there were no optics, so that was customizable, and it was a flat top, floating barrel, lowpro gas block type. I've never cared for the barrel-type handguards, they just don't appeal to me. |
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I was notified by CTD earlier this morning that the Stag M3 is back in stock. This is one of the ones that I was looking at when I was thinking about an entry level AR. I think they're going for $750 or so. One of the reasons I liked the M3 was that there were no optics, so that was customizable, and it was a flat top, floating barrel, lowpro gas block type. I've never cared for the barrel-type handguards, they just don't appeal to me. Stag would be a good choice to have on the rack as well. 1) Retail brand of CMT, a USGI contractor. 2) "Plus" option to upgrade purchase to milspec |
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You sell AR's but don't know what a good entry level option would be? O I sell high end AR's Shew Pooh
Sorry, I only posted that because as a vendor in general you should have an idea.....how else can you gauge why, and what, makes your products worth the extra costs? If a customer asks would you say because it costs more? Or compare it directly against an entry level AR. I am throwing it out there so you can better your service to your customers. Your original post was not constructive criticism at all. Neither was his second. It's pretty ironic that the OP came on here to ask a question so he could learn something, and he got pounced on for not knowing that very same thing. My problem with all this is that the OP stated he "sells high end ARs", more so than the fact that he got pounced on. What does he say to a customer who asks "why should I spent the money for that LMT you are selling rather then buy a RAA or save even more with a Del-Ton rifle?" I would like to think that someone selling "high end" rifles would be able to tell the customer the actual differences between the examples I mentioned, explain the features and benifits, and give some insight into the market positions of each. This is info that the seller should know and a buyer would like to know to make an informative choice when buying a new rifle. Unfortunately this is just another example of just anybody selling a product that they know very little about. Bad for the gun industry and bad for new buyers who need some guidance. Imagine going into a gun store that stocks a few ACOG and some Eotech sights. You are thinking of getting an optic for your rifle and ask the seller what is the difference is between the two. Instead of asking what your intended use is, mentioning important points such as field of view, magnification, battery life and such he says "I'd get the ACOG because that's what all the special forces use in Iraq to kill terrorists a mile away. Besides it looks cool. The Eotech is alright too... if you are only shooting inside a house." Sounds nutty right? Well that's what's going on here.
-Edit for little angry face. Not sure If you've ever been in a gun store or not, as I thought this is what happens in gun stores all the time. Visit a tales from the gunstore thread. Plus, good on him for coming here and asking. This forum is for that reason, not to shame and fault him. Your opinion on him as a person and what his job is does not matter one bit. Your opinion on what is the best entry level AR as it applies to his situation is . That's it. |
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Oh my god...how righteous...I WASN'T shaming anyone.
Smply because other stores are like that does not mean that his store should? It doesn't make mediocrity ok because other people do it. Regardless, move on. Pretty much everything said so far, S&W M&P being a really good example of an entry level AR, are good suggestions. |
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Oh my god...how righteous...I WASN'T shaming anyone. Smply because other stores are like that does not mean that his store should? It doesn't make mediocrity ok because other people do it. Regardless, move on. Pretty much everything said so far, S&W M&P being a really good example of an entry level AR, are good suggestions. STFU and the thread will be able to move on in a more positive direction. 
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You seAr'sR's but don't know what a good entry level option would be? I sell hiAr'snd AR's Shew Pooh
Sorry, I only posted that because as a vendor in general you should have an idea.....how else can you gauge why, and what, makes your products worth the extra costs? If a customer asks would you say because it costs more? Or compare it directly against an entry level AR. I am throwing it out there so you can better your service to your customers. Sorry i was in a bad mood and your right I should know about every AR's. The problem is it would shock you how many manufacturers there is out there. I do know one thing I have a list of the actual manufactures and who they make uppers for and it would surprise you. No harm no foul Pooh 
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Maybe he doest have a gun shop and works out of his house and orders weapons for customers that they want..he comes herelookingn g for knowledge and help and gets criticism over not knowing this or that.There should be a new rule on this sight in the tech forums..if help is asked for and all some have is criticism for not knowingwhichh is why there here asking the question thendon'tt respond if you cant help. I have recently started in dealing Assault weapons and came here for some help. There is so many on the market and I truly tried to educate myself but there is just too many. It is also a regional item which surprised me. Sorry if pissed off anybody but this board knows more about Ar's than any gun store. So if I go to WalMart they will know all about the other Ar's.
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centralflguns, what AR's do you currently stock now?
ETA: I only ask cause I live in Jax and I have a pretty good network of shooters I associate with that need a good source closer to home and quite a few of them are in the Orlando area..Not sure if you've ever been to the CFDCC match in Deland and if so, we've probably ran into each other without even knowing it. |
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M&P 15 Sport. Bios opinion here, I own one and love it. Fired around 3000 rounds through it without a single problem. With the money your customers save they can buy the accessories they want. http://i1069.photobucket.com/albums/u475/James_Nevarez/2012-06-04182517.jpg |
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Maybe he doest have a gun shop and works out of his house and orders weapons for customers that they want..he comes herelookingn g for knowledge and help and gets criticism over not knowing this or that.There should be a new rule on this sight in the tech forums..if help is asked for and all some have is criticism for not knowingwhichh is why there here asking the question thendon'tt respond if you cant help. I have recently started in dealing Assault weapons and came here for some help. There is so many on the market and I truly tried to educate myself but there is just too many. It is also a regional item which surprised me. Sorry if pissed off anybody but this board knows more about Ar's than any gun store. So if I go to WalMart they will know all about the other Ar's.
REALLY?
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centralflguns, what AR's do you currently stock now? ETA: I only ask cause I live in Jax and I have a pretty good network of shooters I associate with that need a good source closer to home and quite a few of them are in the Orlando area..Not sure if you've ever been to the CFDCC match in Deland and if so, we've probably ran into each other without even knowing it. Right now I just switched to Noveske and I am partner with a gentlemen that has his FFL-6 or 7 ( I always forget ) and he has a contract with numerous Gun manufactures to build their uppers. I dealt with Spikes since they are 8 miles from my house but they are almost impossible to get there product right now. My partner is a young enthusiastic guy who has the knowledge and I am 57 with a great job so I have the money. Hopefully in 2 more years I am going to retire early and get more involved.The Construction business is getting old with all the regulations. |
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Maybe he doest have a gun shop and works out of his house and orders weapons for customers that they want..he comes herelookingn g for knowledge and help and gets criticism over not knowing this or that.There should be a new rule on this sight in the tech forums..if help is asked for and all some have is criticism for not knowingwhichh is why there here asking the question thendon'tt respond if you cant help. I have recently started in dealing Assault weapons and came here for some help. There is so many on the market and I truly tried to educate myself but there is just too many. It is also a regional item which surprised me. Sorry if pissed off anybody but this board knows more about Ar's than any gun store. So if I go to WalMart they will know all about the other Ar's.
REALLY? Why is there so many trolls tonight they should be in bed. |
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M&P 15 Sport. Bios opinion here, I own one and love it. Fired around 3000 rounds through it without a single problem. With the money your customers save they can buy the accessories they want. http://i1069.photobucket.com/albums/u475/James_Nevarez/2012-06-04182517.jpg That is a great looking weapon. |
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