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Posted: 3/25/2012 4:21:06 PM EDT
| I'm about to go and get my first AR15, I've decided on a 16-20" 1:8 barrel, what's the difference between chrome and steel barrels, from what I gather, chrome barrels are easier to clean, last long, but less accurate. How much is this inaccuracy? How much more does a chrome lined barrel last? Is there any other detail about steel vs chrome lined barrels that I should know? |
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This comes up very often. Search is your friend.
For most people you won't notice the accuracy difference between Chrome and Non-chrome. It's harder which makes the barrel more durable, less susceptible to fouling/rust. Milspec is chrome lined bore and chamber, decide for yourself if that's what you are looking for. |
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This comes up very often. Search is your friend. For most people you won't notice the accuracy difference between Chrome and Non-chrome. It's harder which makes the barrel more durable, less susceptible to fouling/rust. Milspec is chrome lined bore and chamber, decide for yourself if that's what you are looking for. Where's the search button? Quoted:
Can you tell us about what sort of shooting you do now, and what you envision doing with this rifle? I shoot very low round counts (about 50) and don't notice a difference between cleaning a CL and a regular barrel. I hope to compete in competition(and probably not win D:) and maybe varmint hunt, although currently, I just plink |
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This comes up very often. Search is your friend. For most people you won't notice the accuracy difference between Chrome and Non-chrome. It's harder which makes the barrel more durable, less susceptible to fouling/rust. Milspec is chrome lined bore and chamber, decide for yourself if that's what you are looking for. Where's the search button? Quoted:
Can you tell us about what sort of shooting you do now, and what you envision doing with this rifle? I shoot very low round counts (about 50) and don't notice a difference between cleaning a CL and a regular barrel. I hope to compete in competition(and probably not win D:) and maybe varmint hunt, although currently, I just plink Ever considered high power? http://www.ar15.com/forums/f_9/14_High_Power___DCM___CMP.html For plinking (and varmint hunting) I would get a heavy barrel for the heat capacity and accuracy. I have a gov contour barrel that gets fairly hot within a string of 10 shots. Most heavy barrels you will find are stainless, bushmaster and rock river offer parkerized barrels if you should like. Since varmint hunting uses a high magnification scope you won't notice a front sight base, unless you hate the look I'd leave it on. |
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Ever considered high power? http://www.ar15.com/forums/f_9/14_High_Power___DCM___CMP.html For plinking (and varmint hunting) I would get a heavy barrel for the heat capacity and accuracy. I have a gov contour barrel that gets fairly hot within a string of 10 shots. Most heavy barrels you will find are stainless, bushmaster and rock river offer parkerized barrels if you should like. Since varmint hunting uses a high magnification scope you won't notice a front sight base, unless you hate the look I'd leave it on. Looking at the NRA rulebook for high power, does a quad rail flat top rifle with flip up sights count as a service rifle? Also, do stripped Olympic Arms lowers have commercial or mil-spec holes? considering just getting a kit instead of a completed upper + building my own lower does anyone know of something like this with a 1:8 twist, but still a kit? http://www.dpmsinc.com/store/products/?prod=5597&cat=1532 |
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All lowers are supposed to be made to the same specs. However, with that being said, I would avoid Olympic and go with something else. The lower doesn't determine "mil spec" or commercial, the parts themselves are this. And this really only applies to collapsible stock receiver extensions. Most 1/8 twist barrels are going to be Stainless steel, I'm not sure that I've ever seen a 1/8 CMV barrel other than the one S&W is putting on their S&W Sport AR.
ETA: Here's what you're looking for 20" 1/8 twist barrel. It is stainless, but after looking at the DPMS link you posted, it is stainless as well. The one from DSC can be nitrided for $25 which will give it a black finish. It is much less expensive than the DPMS offering and IMO most likely better quality. It is also assembled. They have the same warning on their front page as DPMS does about unknown shipping lead times. DSC KIT |
| I believe that the reason that its cheaper is because the handguard isn't free floating. w/ free floating handguards, it looks like it amounts to the same as DPMS, I also don't see that a 1:8 barrel is specified on that DSC link. By commercial or mil-spec holes, I've heard that some manufacturers have changed over to different sized pins and holes for them along with a different sized buffer tube. |
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I believe that the reason that its cheaper is because the handguard isn't free floating. w/ free floating handguards, it looks like it amounts to the same as DPMS, I also don't see that a 1:8 barrel is specified on that DSC link. By commercial or mil-spec holes, I've heard that some manufacturers have changed over to different sized pins and holes for them along with a different sized buffer tube. WAG stands for Wilson Air Gauged barrel, its a 1/8 SS barrel. Did you even look at the handguard options? There are many different free floated options that keep you well away from the DPMS price. Colt was the only manufacturer to use different FCG pin holes and they no longer do it. The hole for the buffer tube which is technically the RECEIVER EXTENSION, is the same on every lower out there. The tubes themselves are different sizes, not the holes. ETA: And the one I showed you is assembled. If you've never assembled one before the tools you'll need are a bench vise, armorers wrench, multiple pin punches, and a small hammer. These will run you probably $200. ETA2: Oh yeah, and a torque wrench. Add another $100. |
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Quoted: Quoted: Ever considered high power? http://www.ar15.com/forums/f_9/14_High_Power___DCM___CMP.html For plinking (and varmint hunting) I would get a heavy barrel for the heat capacity and accuracy. I have a gov contour barrel that gets fairly hot within a string of 10 shots. Most heavy barrels you will find are stainless, bushmaster and rock river offer parkerized barrels if you should like. Since varmint hunting uses a high magnification scope you won't notice a front sight base, unless you hate the look I'd leave it on. Looking at the NRA rulebook for high power, does a quad rail flat top rifle with flip up sights count as a service rifle? Also, do stripped Olympic Arms lowers have commercial or mil-spec holes? considering just getting a kit instead of a completed upper + building my own lower does anyone know of something like this with a 1:8 twist, but still a kit? http://www.dpmsinc.com/store/products/?prod=5597&cat=1532 Recently I believe they okayed quad rails and A4 rifles. It still needs to be a 20'' with a carry handle. No one seriously shoots this set up, but it is now service rifle legal IIRC. Really, the best bet is to pick what you want first and then buy a second rifle. If you are interested in NRA competition look up the us rifleteams forums. If you want to shoot long range (600 yards) then you can use virtually anything you want. If you are interested in 3-gun, we have a forum here for that too. It really depends on what you want to do. |
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I believe that the reason that its cheaper is because the handguard isn't free floating. w/ free floating handguards, it looks like it amounts to the same as DPMS, I also don't see that a 1:8 barrel is specified on that DSC link. By commercial or mil-spec holes, I've heard that some manufacturers have changed over to different sized pins and holes for them along with a different sized buffer tube. WAG stands for Wilson Air Gauged barrel, its a 1/8 SS barrel. Did you even look at the handguard options? There are many different free floated options that keep you well away from the DPMS price. Colt was the only manufacturer to use different FCG pin holes and they no longer do it. The hole for the buffer tube which is technically the RECEIVER EXTENSION, is the same on every lower out there. The tubes themselves are different sizes, not the holes. ETA: And the one I showed you is assembled. If you've never assembled one before the tools you'll need are a bench vise, armorers wrench, multiple pin punches, and a small hammer. These will run you probably $200. ETA2: Oh yeah, and a torque wrench. Add another $100. I want to assemble my AR15(or at least the lower) so I know the internals well, the only handguard that specifies free float is $280+ As for the torque wrench, would an electric drill work? Those things can tighten to a specific torque. I have a tool that can be used as a punch, and I believe I have a bench vice somewhere. Tools are not really an issue. Quoted:
Recently I believe they okayed quad rails and A4 rifles. It still needs to be a 20'' with a carry handle. No one seriously shoots this set up, but it is now service rifle legal IIRC. Really, the best bet is to pick what you want first and then buy a second rifle. If you are interested in NRA competition look up the us rifleteams forums. If you want to shoot long range (600 yards) then you can use virtually anything you want. If you are interested in 3-gun, we have a forum here for that too. It really depends on what you want to do. Thanks, I'll look into a rifle that I can use in high power in a while. |
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I believe that the reason that its cheaper is because the handguard isn't free floating. w/ free floating handguards, it looks like it amounts to the same as DPMS, I also don't see that a 1:8 barrel is specified on that DSC link. By commercial or mil-spec holes, I've heard that some manufacturers have changed over to different sized pins and holes for them along with a different sized buffer tube. WAG stands for Wilson Air Gauged barrel, its a 1/8 SS barrel. Did you even look at the handguard options? There are many different free floated options that keep you well away from the DPMS price. Colt was the only manufacturer to use different FCG pin holes and they no longer do it. The hole for the buffer tube which is technically the RECEIVER EXTENSION, is the same on every lower out there. The tubes themselves are different sizes, not the holes. ETA: And the one I showed you is assembled. If you've never assembled one before the tools you'll need are a bench vise, armorers wrench, multiple pin punches, and a small hammer. These will run you probably $200. ETA2: Oh yeah, and a torque wrench. Add another $100. I want to assemble my AR15(or at least the lower) so I know the internals well, the only handguard that specifies free float is $280+ As for the torque wrench, would an electric drill work? Those things can tighten to a specific torque. I have a tool that can be used as a punch, and I believe I have a bench vice somewhere. Tools are not really an issue. Quoted:
Recently I believe they okayed quad rails and A4 rifles. It still needs to be a 20'' with a carry handle. No one seriously shoots this set up, but it is now service rifle legal IIRC. Really, the best bet is to pick what you want first and then buy a second rifle. If you are interested in NRA competition look up the us rifleteams forums. If you want to shoot long range (600 yards) then you can use virtually anything you want. If you are interested in 3-gun, we have a forum here for that too. It really depends on what you want to do. Thanks, I'll look into a rifle that I can use in high power in a while. Tools are an issue though. The barrels torque value is any where from 30-80 ft lbs. I don't believe a drill is capable of achieving this. I also forgot to mention an upper vise block which is another have to have for an upper. Not having the right tools is a severe handicap to trying to assemble uppers. Every handguard option listed on DSCs page that I linked to is free float. With the one appropriate for a rifle length system starting at $130. You will be able to assemble the lower with either option, however it is my opinion that Double Star is producing a superior product to what DPMS is putting out. Obviously you seem to be set on the DPMS, so I will stop truong to help you. |
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