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Posted: 1/11/2012 3:09:07 PM EDT
| Is Bill Springfield still doing triggers on AR-15's? |
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Don't.
ETA: I sold a member here, Hank, several trigger groups. I asked him what was he going to do with them. He told me he was sending them to Springfield so I sent him one as well. The following is Hank and my correspondence. Bill,
I finally got around to installing the triggers this weekend. Both the 4lb and 3lb versions all averaged around 6lbs. The 2.5lb versions averaged 4lbs. I used a Lyman's digital gauge and multiple pulls each to get the average. Did you inquire to Bill? Just wondering what his response was and if you have any recommendation on how to proceed given your experience with him. Hopefully all works out for both of us, Thanks again, Hank On Jun 22, 2011, at 6:24 PM, Bill Casanova wrote: Hank Have you received your triggers yet? If so I'd love to hear what you think. I sent in one for the 4 pound job. I put it into a Bushmaster lower and while it's crisp, it's also 7 pounds on the RCBS Trigger Scale. I checked it 6 or 10 times. Good Luck, Bill Bill |
| I have one in a SBR and I think it's fantastic. Granted, my experience with triggers is not that broad as the majority were Military M-16's, a handful of .22's, couple Mini-14's, and the rest handguns. I purchased mine a couple years ago and it's still running great. Back then, he shipped JP yellow springs with his triggers, but I believe you gotta pay extra for them now. Lots of negative posts about his work, maybe I gotta good one? |
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Quoted: I have one in a SBR and I think it's fantastic. Granted, my experience with triggers is not that broad as the majority were Military M-16's, a handful of .22's, couple Mini-14's, and the rest handguns. I purchased mine a couple years ago and it's still running great. Back then, he shipped JP yellow springs with his triggers, but I believe you gotta pay extra for them now. Lots of negative posts about his work, maybe I gotta good one? Just give it time. |
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There's so many stories of full auto BS triggers he must not re-harden after filing down the parts right? I found these photos from user W_E_G here:
http://i227.photobucket.com/albums/dd7/rkba2da/rifle%20pics/AR-15/springfieldtrigger5.jpg http://i227.photobucket.com/albums/dd7/rkba2da/rifle%20pics/AR-15/springfieldtrigger4.jpg http://i227.photobucket.com/albums/dd7/rkba2da/rifle%20pics/AR-15/springfieldhammer2.jpg |
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I have a RR trigger Bill did a job on in 09'. If you want it will gladly sell it to you cheap. PM me. I have had no issues with it but then again I changed it out quickly for a SSA. Honestly, if you want a good trigger spend the extra money on an SSA.
I heard his old ones were good, and how old are we talking? And what happen, why did he go downhill? |
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You can do your own trigger for pennies.
I have done a few this way. I only recommend it for fun guns, for serious guns leave the trigger alone or buy one. In the second link, it says to use a 1/4x20 set screw, it is actually a 1/4x24 http://www.sargenthome.com/15_Minute_AR_Trigger_Job.htm http://www.junkyardgenius.com/firearms/ar-15/ar08.html |
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Light polishing is fine, but you NEVER want to remove material from the engagement surfaces of the hammer/trigger. The exterior is hardened and you're exposing the soft metal and future problems if you actually file down parts.
As far as I know, BS trigger jobs involve the removal of material. Keep that in mind. |
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Notice how I reccomended them in that thread.... yeah the two I had went full auto seriously probably no more than a month after I posted about how great they were. |
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Quoted: Notice how I reccomended them in that thread.... yeah the two I had went full auto seriously probably no more than a month after I posted about how great they were. Same here. I loved mine; had a crisp and light break... then all of a sudden BANGBANGBANG.  |
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I had three. The first went in a retro gun, and it had a crisp 4lb break with zero troubles in a couple hundred rounds.
Feeling pretty good about his triggers, I had Bill do one for a Gummint Carbine and a S&W 15-22. The Smith doubled and tried to run away, and the gummint carbine gun doubled. Because of the issues with the other guns, I replaced 'em all with SSA triggers. Not a cheap fix but a good one. Don't know if his work went down hill or it was just luck of the draw, or if he jobbed out the work when he was riding high and doing a bunch of triggers. A double or a runaway is the last thing you need, so I'd avoid Bill. Spend your money on a Geissele and be done with it. Moon |
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Had him do a job on one of my triggers a while ago. When I got it back an installed/test fired it, it immediately doubled. I got in touch with him and he guided me on the additional surface I needed to file (which I wasn't too jazzed about). Anyway, I did that and it's been fine since then with hundreds of rounds. All that said, knowing what I know now, I would never remove surface material from a hardened trigger. I have a Giessele SSA and Spike Battle Trigger now in my 2 ARs and my 3rd complete lower (which still has the BS trigger job) will never be fired again until I replace that trigger. |
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I had him do a trigger job on my XCR (old style trigger) and it has been great. However, do not get the yellow spring as it results in more light strikes than rounds fired. Not true at all. Maybe for you. I polished the surfaces of the trigger and hammer, added a set screw and the JP yellow springs and have hundreds of rounds with them. Not one problem. I did however grind the hood of the trigger down to make it lighter so it would move faster with the lighter springs. |
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I had him do a trigger job on my XCR (old style trigger) and it has been great. However, do not get the yellow spring as it results in more light strikes than rounds fired. Not true at all. Maybe for you. I polished the surfaces of the trigger and hammer, added a set screw and the JP yellow springs and have hundreds of rounds with them. Not one problem. I did however grind the hood of the trigger down to make it lighter so it would move faster with the lighter springs. Huh? |
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Have had one of his reworked triggers in a 16" middy for years, lots of rounds downrange. Like it enough where I had another done for my 3-gun build.
This morning was my 3rd trip to the range with it. Total rounds through it ~ 120. Gun ran away on me. Luckily I'm still testing it, so only loading 5 rounds at a time. Very, very glad I didn't have my 48 round big stick in it. New trigger ordered. Old one in the trash. Lesson learned. |
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I think the general conscious has already been stated Just buy a good aftermarket trigger and be done with it, you can only polish a turd so much... Well said.. I love your avatar, or whatever it's called (pictue), with Aimless popping out of it! Good stuff! |
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He did some good work on an HK91 trigger I sent him.
The AR, not so much. My trigger from him constantly doubled and tripled. He had me do some filing, eventually sent a new part, never did get it to work. Decided I'd had enough and asked for a refund then sent it in. Took 6 MONTHS of pestering to get the refund. |
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