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Posted: 3/30/2011 5:44:31 PM EDT
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Hey guys,
Im looking for a new rifle and have been looking at a few different ones. The SR-15 is the front runner, Im also looking at seeing if POF will do a DI build for me, and also Larue. Im looking to get the lightest rifle possible. I had a M&P15T that I recently sold and after having it for a few years, I now know one of the most important things to me is going to be weight. I'd really like the MD version of the SR-15, but not willing to dump another G into the rifle. I love the URX LW and hope it becomes available for sale one day, but Ive realized Im going to have to compromise. Does anyone know the exact weight unloaded w/o mag on the SR-15? It is not listed on KAC's website. Also, what comp to put on it? There triple tap and AAC brakeout comp. Opinions? I didnt get much feedback from the last thread I started, hopefully I will get more from this one. |
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What is your reasoning behind choosing it over almost any other rifle? Ive heard nothing, but good things about POF as well and I figured if they could do a DI, it would shave a good pound off of the rifle.
Do you know the weight comparison between the "MD" sr-15 and the standard? When I talked to their CS, they were not very helpful or nice. There response was the same as yours and when I asked about the MD, they said a little lighter. I know that they know the weights of their rifles, so why be so unaccomadating? Im going to call them again tomorrow and try to speak with some different and hopefully a little more friendly. I understand that these people are busy, but I would appreciate someone being excited to tell me the benefits and spec's of their rifles. The gentleman I spoke with seemed like he could care less if I went with his rifle or not. And I am also a dealer and deal with them quite a bit for their surpressor's. so I wouldnt want to know how they would talk to a perspective customer! |
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KAC makes top notch products, with excellent CS and QC, the improved bolt, custom gas tube, and other unique features on the rifle make it, in my point of view, superior. If you were going to build a rifle like this, first you'd have to start with a top quality rifle, and then add top quality parts, and even then some things can't be had, such as the gas system and the bolt. POF makes a topnotch rifle, but they specalize in piston rifles, so while they may make a great rifle, they don't have the history of KAC. KAC is proven with their rifle, POF as far as I know is relatively new.
As far as the MD, I have no idea, never got a chance to get one, I would guess you'd shave a solid half pound off, if not more. I am really surprised with the CS of Knight's, they have a good track record for CS, and have never heard of anything along these lines. I would definentally ring them again tomorrow, and if they still refuse, try once more. Let us know, it'd be interesting to see the results. |
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Quoted: What is your reasoning behind choosing it over almost any other rifle? Ive heard nothing, but good things about POF as well and I figured if they could do a DI, it would shave a good pound off of the rifle. Do you know the weight comparison between the "MD" sr-15 and the standard? When I talked to their CS, they were not very helpful or nice. There response was the same as yours and when I asked about the MD, they said a little lighter. I know that they know the weights of their rifles, so why be so unaccomadating? Im going to call them again tomorrow and try to speak with some different and hopefully a little more friendly. I understand that these people are busy, but I would appreciate someone being excited to tell me the benefits and spec's of their rifles. The gentleman I spoke with seemed like he could care less if I went with his rifle or not. And I am also a dealer and deal with them quite a bit for their surpressor's. so I wouldnt want to know how they would talk to a perspective customer! There are a lot of AR15s out there for your money. Clearly, if what you say is true, KAC was not looking for your money and the SR15 is not the rifle for you. There are a lot of ways to build a rifle to be light weight, can we see what you're planning to do with it? Tactical style? Target shooting? Did you see something cool on YouTube and were trying to do something similar? |
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Quoted: What is your reasoning behind choosing it over almost any other rifle? Ive heard nothing, but good things about POF as well and I figured if they could do a DI, it would shave a good pound off of the rifle. Do you know the weight comparison between the "MD" sr-15 and the standard? When I talked to their CS, they were not very helpful or nice. There response was the same as yours and when I asked about the MD, they said a little lighter. I know that they know the weights of their rifles, so why be so unaccomadating? Im going to call them again tomorrow and try to speak with some different and hopefully a little more friendly. I understand that these people are busy, but I would appreciate someone being excited to tell me the benefits and spec's of their rifles. The gentleman I spoke with seemed like he could care less if I went with his rifle or not. And I am also a dealer and deal with them quite a bit for their surpressor's. so I wouldnt want to know how they would talk to a perspective customer! The folks at Knights aren't known for their great customer service and they're not the type to spend a half hour on the phone trying to sell a single rifle. You have to make the decision to buy one and then call them. Usually, holding one in your hands is enough to seal the deal. Don't get me wrong though, if you own a Knights product and something goes wrong with it, they will absolutely take care of you, they just don't have the time to invest on the sale of a single unit. And no, they will not miss your business one bit. All that being said, they are absolutely the way to go if you're willing to pay top dollar for top quality. |
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Quoted: Hey guys, Im looking for a new rifle and have been looking at a few different ones. The SR-15 is the front runner, Im also looking at seeing if POF will do a DI build for me, and also Larue. Im looking to get the lightest rifle possible. I had a M&P15T that I recently sold and after having it for a few years, I now know one of the most important things to me is going to be weight. I'd really like the MD version of the SR-15, but not willing to dump another G into the rifle. I love the URX LW and hope it becomes available for sale one day, but Ive realized Im going to have to compromise. Does anyone know the exact weight unloaded w/o mag on the SR-15? It is not listed on KAC's website. Also, what comp to put on it? There triple tap and AAC brakeout comp. Opinions? I didnt get much feedback from the last thread I started, hopefully I will get more from this one.  Id figure out what suppressor first, then get a triple tap or brakeout based on that.
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thanks for the info guys. It looks like its going to be an SR-15 FTW!
Im definitely doing an Aimpoint on this rifle. To my knowledge the difference between the H-1 and T-1, is that the T-1 is NV compatible correct? Are there any other differences? And as far as comp's go, I have had a great experience with KAC's triple tap. Ive never fired a rifle w/ an AAC or BC, so any recommendations as far as that goes? Overall its going to be a pretty simple rifle. Im going to change the stock out for a CTR, add a ASAP and MS2, SF mini scout light, and a bunch of PMAGS. The only thing Im really not sure on is the comp. |
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Quoted: thanks for the info guys. It looks like its going to be an SR-15 FTW! Im definitely doing an Aimpoint on this rifle. To my knowledge the difference between the H-1 and T-1, is that the T-1 is NV compatible correct? Are there any other differences? And as far as comp's go, I have had a great experience with KAC's triple tap. Ive never fired a rifle w/ an AAC or BC, so any recommendations as far as that goes? Overall its going to be a pretty simple rifle. Im going to change the stock out for a CTR, add a ASAP and MS2, SF mini scout light, and a bunch of PMAGS. The only thing Im really not sure on is the comp. Some have compared the TTB and BC ... the word is that there is marginally better recoil management with the TTB, for a large increase in price. I used to use a AAC 51T brake on my 10.3" rifle ... shit almost knocked my teeth out  |
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thanks for the info guys. It looks like its going to be an SR-15 FTW! Im definitely doing an Aimpoint on this rifle. To my knowledge the difference between the H-1 and T-1, is that the T-1 is NV compatible correct? Are there any other differences? And as far as comp's go, I have had a great experience with KAC's triple tap. Ive never fired a rifle w/ an AAC or BC, so any recommendations as far as that goes? Overall its going to be a pretty simple rifle. Im going to change the stock out for a CTR, add a ASAP and MS2, SF mini scout light, and a bunch of PMAGS. The only thing Im really not sure on is the comp. Triple tap's are great. Currently saving up for a second. But for the price, the battlecomp's are great too. |
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Im definitely doing an Aimpoint on this rifle. To my knowledge the difference between the H-1 and T-1, is that the T-1 is NV compatible correct? Are there any other differences? . The other difference is the water resistance rating is higher for the T-1. Unsure that matters to the non-special forces shooter, but I buy T-1s for peace of mind even if it's overkill. |
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thanks for the info guys. It looks like its going to be an SR-15 FTW! Im definitely doing an Aimpoint on this rifle. To my knowledge the difference between the H-1 and T-1, is that the T-1 is NV compatible correct? Are there any other differences? And as far as comp's go, I have had a great experience with KAC's triple tap. Ive never fired a rifle w/ an AAC or BC, so any recommendations as far as that goes? Overall its going to be a pretty simple rifle. Im going to change the stock out for a CTR, add a ASAP and MS2, SF mini scout light, and a bunch of PMAGS. The only thing Im really not sure on is the comp. Triple tap's are great. Currently saving up for a second. But for the price, the battlecomp's are great too. Ya I just checked out the price on the triple tap! LOL That is pretty crazy imo! I have used one so i can definitely attest to how flat the gun shoots with it, but I highly doubt i will pay that money! Jeez the MD's $2900 price tag is looking a little more justified now! |
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Im definitely doing an Aimpoint on this rifle. To my knowledge the difference between the H-1 and T-1, is that the T-1 is NV compatible correct? Are there any other differences? . The other difference is the water resistance rating is higher for the T-1. Unsure that matters to the non-special forces shooter, but I buy T-1s for peace of mind even if it's overkill. I agree and probably will go with the T-1 as well, just was trying to find out the exact differences. Thanks for the reply |
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thanks for the info guys. It looks like its going to be an SR-15 FTW! Im definitely doing an Aimpoint on this rifle. To my knowledge the difference between the H-1 and T-1, is that the T-1 is NV compatible correct? Are there any other differences? And as far as comp's go, I have had a great experience with KAC's triple tap. Ive never fired a rifle w/ an AAC or BC, so any recommendations as far as that goes? Overall its going to be a pretty simple rifle. Im going to change the stock out for a CTR, add a ASAP and MS2, SF mini scout light, and a bunch of PMAGS. The only thing Im really not sure on is the comp. Some have compared the TTB and BC ... the word is that there is marginally better recoil management with the TTB, for a large increase in price. I used to use a AAC 51T brake on my 10.3" rifle ... shit almost knocked my teeth out
Thanks for the insight. Isnt the 51T just a flash hider though? I may be wrong, but comparing comp's shouldnt I be looking at AAC's Brakeout in comparison with the BC and TT? |
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Quoted: Quoted: Quoted: thanks for the info guys. It looks like its going to be an SR-15 FTW! Im definitely doing an Aimpoint on this rifle. To my knowledge the difference between the H-1 and T-1, is that the T-1 is NV compatible correct? Are there any other differences? And as far as comp's go, I have had a great experience with KAC's triple tap. Ive never fired a rifle w/ an AAC or BC, so any recommendations as far as that goes? Overall its going to be a pretty simple rifle. Im going to change the stock out for a CTR, add a ASAP and MS2, SF mini scout light, and a bunch of PMAGS. The only thing Im really not sure on is the comp. Some have compared the TTB and BC ... the word is that there is marginally better recoil management with the TTB, for a large increase in price. I used to use a AAC 51T brake on my 10.3" rifle ... shit almost knocked my teeth out Thanks for the insight. Isnt the 51T just a flash hider though? I may be wrong, but comparing comp's shouldnt I be looking at AAC's Brakeout in comparison with the BC and TT? There is a 51T dedicated brake, hybrid brake/flash hider, and dedicated flash hider.    |
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Would either of the first 2 be contenders with the BC in your opinion?
Honestly, besides shooting my buddies KAC with the TT, I have had no other experience with comp's, just dedicated FH's. I am already going over my budget quite a bit getting the KAC. I sold my M&P15T w/ XPS for $1750 and was planning on putting like another 300-350 into the new rifle w/ optic and already spent the $1750 on the KAC. So I definitely do not want to cheap out a BA rifle, but I think spending $450 on a brake is a little ridiculous. Functionality is my main focus, but to be honest imo the AAC is a little more aesthetically pleasing to me over the BC, so if they will do the job equally, Id rather go with the AAC. |
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What is your reasoning behind choosing it over almost any other rifle? Ive heard nothing, but good things about POF as well and I figured if they could do a DI, it would shave a good pound off of the rifle. Do you know the weight comparison between the "MD" sr-15 and the standard? When I talked to their CS, they were not very helpful or nice. There response was the same as yours and when I asked about the MD, they said a little lighter. I know that they know the weights of their rifles, so why be so unaccomadating? Im going to call them again tomorrow and try to speak with some different and hopefully a little more friendly. I understand that these people are busy, but I would appreciate someone being excited to tell me the benefits and spec's of their rifles. The gentleman I spoke with seemed like he could care less if I went with his rifle or not. And I am also a dealer and deal with them quite a bit for their surpressor's. so I wouldnt want to know how they would talk to a perspective customer! The folks at Knights aren't known for their great customer service and they're not the type to spend a half hour on the phone trying to sell a single rifle. You have to make the decision to buy one and then call them. Usually, holding one in your hands is enough to seal the deal. Don't get me wrong though, if you own a Knights product and something goes wrong with it, they will absolutely take care of you, they just don't have the time to invest on the sale of a single unit. And no, they will not miss your business one bit. All that being said, they are absolutely the way to go if you're willing to pay top dollar for top quality. I'm going to have to disagree a little bit about Knights customer service. My SR-15 shortstroked right out of the box, sent it back and they returned it with a note saying something like " do you know what you are doing? We can't find anything wrong" Rifle still shortstroked but I suspected it just needed a break-in period, which proved to be the case. The rifle is 100% now, took about 700 rounds though. BTW they did at some point offer to replace the upper but I declined as I knew it would eventually run, plus it was so damn accurate I didn't want to risk losing that. I really love mine now, sold my Colt because I didn't want to shoot it anymore. |
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Quoted: Would either of the first 2 be contenders with the BC in your opinion? Honestly, besides shooting my buddies KAC with the TT, I have had no other experience with comp's, just dedicated FH's. I am already going over my budget quite a bit getting the KAC. I sold my M&P15T w/ XPS for $1750 and was planning on putting like another 300-350 into the new rifle w/ optic and already spent the $1750 on the KAC. So I definitely do not want to cheap out a BA rifle, but I think spending $450 on a brake is a little ridiculous. Functionality is my main focus, but to be honest imo the AAC is a little more aesthetically pleasing to me over the BC, so if they will do the job equally, Id rather go with the AAC. They are different muzzle devices altogether. The BattleComp will act like an A2 in all ways except it provides some recoil mitigation. The AAC Brake will fuck your shit up with concussion, noise, and flash but keeps the muzzle flat. The AAC Hybrid will have less concussion, noise, and flash but won't suppress the muzzle rise as much. The right choice will lie with what kind of use you want out of the rifle; tactical, competitive, range toy, etc ... And so I have some credibility ...    |
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I really like your choice of words! Made me laugh on the brakeout LOL. And very nice rifles for sure!!
I since Im a not LEO or Mil, I would have to place myself in the range toy, competition, "I like nice shit" category... I will be LE shortly being that Im in the last stages of my BG w/ CBP, but sadly, I do not think they will allow me to use the KAC.. I would also like to get through some more carbine classes this year. Definitely atleast 1, but hopefully 3. I know instructors and fellow shooters would not appreciate the brakeout, but given no classes and no light light scenarios, and the criterion I gave above, could you rank the comp's in your opinion of effectiveness in recoil reduction. |
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Quoted: I really like your choice of words! Made me laugh on the brakeout LOL. And very nice rifles for sure!! I since Im a not LEO or Mil, I would have to place myself in the range toy, competition, "I like nice shit" category... I will be LE shortly being that Im in the last stages of my BG w/ CBP, but sadly, I do not think they will allow me to use the KAC.. I would also like to get through some more carbine classes this year. Definitely atleast 1, but hopefully 3. I know instructors and fellow shooters would not appreciate the brakeout, but given no classes and no light light scenarios, and the criterion I gave above, could you rank the comp's in your opinion of effectiveness in recoil reduction. I recommend the AAC dedicated brake by far for recoil reduction. I only have the BC2.0 because I own a HALO suppressor and fall into the "likes nice shit" category. There are marginally better brakes for the money (or less), but they don't look as cool and don't afford you the ability to spend more money later (on a suppressor). But that's a whole thread for itself. |
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thanks for all the feedback! You've been a great help! I think Im going to start on a SBR build even before I get the KAC most likely LOL, so maybe Ill get a BC for that and the AAC for the KAC.
Im pretty sure Im going to have to start putting in some OT at work or selling some body parts haha. I was a 1 rifle kind of guy for awhile and real into semi custom and custom 1911's, but im pretty much happy where Im at with those currently and got bit by the long gun bug again! The SBR is definitely going to be a build though and definitely lower budget. Quality, but not "excessive quality" LOL Im thinking I might check out Wilson Combat's TRIM rail for the build. We are WC master dealers at the store I run, so if I dont like it, I can always send it back. I just havent been able to find anything relatively similar to that LW URX that im in love with... |
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