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Posted: 3/27/2011 11:27:10 AM EDT
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A few months ago I started a thread about my Rock River AR.
I had planned to shoot it oiled but not cleaned until it became un-shootable. FTE, FTL, FTF... whatever. I just wanted to know what crappy ammo it would happily eat and how it would fail when it did. After reading of several ARs that have had more rounds put through them than I can afford I realized that this experiment has been done again and again. The Filthy 14 from Bravo Complany (at somewhere near 35,000 rounds) was an amazing read. http://www.bravocompanymfg.com/v/vspfiles/assets/images/filthy14_oct10.pdf I've abandoned the chore and actually cleaned the rifle. No .223 failures of any kind. Always loaded, always shot, always ejected but given the intended use of a fighting rifle, this short round span and it's perfect functioning is no surprise. Just shy of 1000 rounds of .223 and over 750 of .22 using a Ciener conversion bolt I pulled it apart. I've read and spoken w/ a handful of folks who think that the chrome bolts don't make much difference. This chrome bolt versus the standard steel of my on duty Colt I'd have to say I prefer the ease of cleaning this RRA bolt. I suppose if I were to build another AR platform rifle I'd continue to use a similar style BCG. My 2 cents. |
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I upgraded to a RRA Chrome BCG when I got my Elite CAR A4. They had a special running during the high-power matches at Camp Perry, with a sign that said something like, "buy any complete upper and upgrade to a chrome bolt free". I asked if I could do the same on my rifle purchase, and they said yes. Then, I proceeded to swap out all the black furniture for their green ones, which are more expensive as well. They didn't add anything to the price.
I don't care what anyone says about Rock River. I love mine, and will continue to use them; especially for a high power or varmint rig. Not to say I don't like other brands too though. my $.02 -will |
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Even though you have a chrome BCG or not doesn't absolve you of cleaning your weapon. Believe me from my past experiences in Viet Nam,
ALWAYS clean your rifle after shooting it and doing a quick visual inspection, then lube it properly. If the time ever comes when you need it, it won't fail you and you won't have to worry that it will fail to operate when needed. I was in Viet Nam in 1969 served with Lima Co. 3rd. Battallion, 5th. Marines and saw a substanial amount of action, my M16 NEVER failed me because I took proper care of it, it got cleaned every opportunity I had, it got cleaned even before I ate. I don't care about stories of other guys on this board saying they have fired thousands of rounds not cleaning their rifle. Thats them and not me, I learned the correct way to care for my rifle and I sill practice that knowledge to this day. You have a significant investment in your rifle and it only makes sense to care for it. If you take care of it, it will take care of you.......... |
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Even though you have a chrome BCG or not doesn't absolve you of cleaning your weapon. Believe me from my past experiences in Viet Nam, ALWAYS clean your rifle after shooting it and doing a quick visual inspection, then lube it properly. If the time ever comes when you need it, it won't fail you and you won't have to worry that it will fail to operate when needed. I was in Viet Nam in 1969 served with Lima Co. 3rd. Battallion, 5th. Marines and saw a substanial amount of action, my M16 NEVER failed me because I took proper care of it, it got cleaned every opportunity I had, it got cleaned even before I ate. I don't care about stories of other guys on this board saying they have fired thousands of rounds not cleaning their rifle. Thats them and not me, I learned the correct way to care for my rifle and I sill practice that knowledge to this day. You have a significant investment in your rifle and it only makes sense to care for it. If you take care of it, it will take care of you.......... rgrprib approves this message |
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Even though you have a chrome BCG or not doesn't absolve you of cleaning your weapon. Believe me from my past experiences in Viet Nam, ALWAYS clean your rifle after shooting it and doing a quick visual inspection, then lube it properly. If the time ever comes when you need it, it won't fail you and you won't have to worry that it will fail to operate when needed. I was in Viet Nam in 1969 served with Lima Co. 3rd. Battallion, 5th. Marines and saw a substanial amount of action, my M16 NEVER failed me because I took proper care of it, it got cleaned every opportunity I had, it got cleaned even before I ate. I don't care about stories of other guys on this board saying they have fired thousands of rounds not cleaning their rifle. Thats them and not me, I learned the correct way to care for my rifle and I sill practice that knowledge to this day. You have a significant investment in your rifle and it only makes sense to care for it. If you take care of it, it will take care of you.......... +100 Clean rifle = dependable rifle |
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Even though you have a chrome BCG or not doesn't absolve you of cleaning your weapon. Believe me from my past experiences in Viet Nam, ALWAYS clean your rifle after shooting it and doing a quick visual inspection, then lube it properly. If the time ever comes when you need it, it won't fail you and you won't have to worry that it will fail to operate when needed. I was in Viet Nam in 1969 served with Lima Co. 3rd. Battallion, 5th. Marines and saw a substanial amount of action, my M16 NEVER failed me because I took proper care of it, it got cleaned every opportunity I had, it got cleaned even before I ate. I don't care about stories of other guys on this board saying they have fired thousands of rounds not cleaning their rifle. Thats them and not me, I learned the correct way to care for my rifle and I sill practice that knowledge to this day. You have a significant investment in your rifle and it only makes sense to care for it. If you take care of it, it will take care of you.......... I appreciate your input and thank you for your service but... Originally I wasn't planning on wasting my investment in the rifle but instead use it as a place where I could learn more about it's weak links. A well lubed, clean AR does work great and I would always choose such a tool when there is such a need (my on duty rifle is a COlt M4, lubed and clean). This RR is my current AR science lab. I'll shoot it dry, lubed (oil and or grease), dirty, cold, hot, and any other way I can imagine (except perhaps under water). I'll use cheap ammo, and the occasional match grade ammo. I'll shoot CQB, long range, at steel and at paper. When it continues to feed and go bang you won't be hearing from me. As it falters (likely from my own failure to properly care for it) I"ll let you all know. Please, in no way am I trying to trump your knowledge or long standing experience of this platform. I'm just curious for some actual failures generated by me, not a random post about some guy's spec ops NSA FBI BilgeWater buddy who once used XX brand and his DPMS totally failed while just riding along. And back to the post- I've found that chrome BCG does clean more easily. Whether they actually continue to function better while dirty.... I don't know yet. What failures did you experience with an uncleaned but well lubed M16? Back to that legendary Filthy 14 rifle... The thing was a mess but just (mostly) kept on functioning. |
| I just want to add firing a weapon on a range day after day even in different weather and teperatures is still different from knocking one around day after day in combat..out of choppers,hitting the deck ,out of vehicles..there are different variables..how a weapon stands up in the field under hard use and conditions is the measure of that weapon.The 2 way range trumps the best gun schools period,using an un cleaned weapon under admittedly harsh but still controlled conditions.Even at over 40k rounds while impressive and a good gauge of reliability and quality filthy 14 still has not seen the stresses and conditions of daily combat. |
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