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Posted: 2/24/2011 3:34:50 PM EDT
| I have went to two different gun shops and talked to them about an ar-15. They asked me what kind i had and when i told them that i had a spikes lower and waiting on a complete spikes upper they looked at me funny and said they woulnt trust there life with it. This sounds crazy to me bc i thought mill spec was mill spec, right? Then they tried to sell me a sig ar. i asked what the diff was between them if they are mill spec and they didnt really say much just walked off. |
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I have went to two different gun shops and talked to them about an ar-15. They asked me what kind i had and when i told them that i had a spikes lower and waiting on a complete spikes upper they looked at me funny and said they woulnt trust there life with it. This sounds crazy to me bc i thought mill spec was mill spec, right? Then they tried to sell me a sig ar. i asked what the diff was between them if they are mill spec and they didnt really say much just walked off. 
Gun shop employees never cease to amaze me. The fact that they didn't know what Spikes Tactical was says enough. Just to re-assure you, yes, Spikes is "top-tier," for whatever that's worth. It's on the same level as Colt, BCM, etc. etc. if you're just considering "chart" features. I'm on my second Spikes rifle right now, and both have been 100% reliable, even with crappy, used GI mags I use for training and weak ammo. The reason I laugh is because I used to own a Sig 556...I sold it to get my Spikes. Of course, I'm not sure if you're talking about their new piston AR or the Sig 556, but neither are superior to the Spikes or any other high-quality AR (BCM, DD, Colt, etc.). The next time you're in that shop, pick up one of their off-the-rack AR's and start asking them questions like, "is the barrel HPT and MPI tested?", "Is the barrel 4140 or 4150?", "Is the gas key properly staked?" etc. etc. If they look at you like you're from Mars, then just ask them what business they have running a gun shop (if you want to be a jerk  ––if you don't, just laugh and walk away).
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| Gunshops are the WORST place to get advice about guns! For ARs, this forum right here is the place! In fact I never buy my ARs (with the exception of some lowers) at gun shops, order them all online. Of course, doesn't hurt to have a friend with an FFL who'll do transfers for free! |
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I wouldn't trust my life to a Sig AR 15 either. spikes is good people, don't worry about it. every time i transferred a lower through a local gun shop they always told me "we got lower here, shoulda just bought it"
well their lower just happened to be a $200 stripped Superior Arms lower. Most gun shop are clueless and very opinionated on the things they stock. |
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Gunshops are the WORST place to get advice about guns! For ARs, this forum right here is the place! In fact I never buy my ARs (with the exception of some lowers) at gun shops, order them all online. Of course, doesn't hurt to have a friend with an FFL who'll do transfers for free! Concur. I'm sure there are some honest dealers, but there are too many who just want to sell you what they stock, and tell you anything else is not as good. Think of them as used car salesmen with trigger fingers. |
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Gunshops are the WORST place to get advice about guns! For ARs, this forum right here is the place! In fact I never buy my ARs (with the exception of some lowers) at gun shops, order them all online. Of course, doesn't hurt to have a friend with an FFL who'll do transfers for free! Concur. I'm sure there are some honest dealers, but there are too many who just want to sell you what they stock, and tell you anything else is not as good. Think of them as used car salesmen with trigger fingers. For the most part, gun shops are not the greatest places for advice, but there are some who do know their stuff. That said, some advice here isn't always the best either, I'm sure people here will disagree. Have to take everything with a grain of salt and find a consensus. If many first hand experiences are good, you're probably GTG! |
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i'm currently on backorder for 8 Spikes AR's and i have another 4 to add to the list this week. after we get past our Barrett orders i'm going to get another dozen or so complete Spikes guns on order. not only do we sell complete rifles but i sell every upper, lower and parts kit that i can get in the shop. we sell Spikes, DD, KAC, Colt, BCM (complete rifles only), PWS, LMT, RRA, LWRCi, POF, Noveske, LaRue, Stag and a few Armalites (AR10's mostly). i've never sold a Sig AR... cost too much for what you get. as for the *gun store clerks*.... the bad information, crap service and general bullshit that you have to deal with is part of what led me to open my own shop. do i know everything? absolutely not and i'm ok with that. it's the *know it all* guys that bother me... well, that or the complete *know nothing* guys. take this for what it's worth: you're good to go with your Spikes and the Sig isn't worth the money. consider a new shop or just ask them for the things that you already know you want. |
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Gunshops are the WORST place to get advice about guns! For ARs, this forum right here is the place! In fact I never buy my ARs (with the exception of some lowers) at gun shops, order them all online. Of course, doesn't hurt to have a friend with an FFL who'll do transfers for free! Concur. I'm sure there are some honest dealers, but there are too many who just want to sell you what they stock, and tell you anything else is not as good. Think of them as used car salesmen with trigger fingers. For the most part, gun shops are not the greatest places for advice, but there are some who do know their stuff. That said, some advice here isn't always the best either, I'm sure people here will disagree. Have to take everything with a grain of salt and find a consensus. If many first hand experiences are good, you're probably GTG! I would have to agree 100% about that statement, there are gun shops that will tell you anything to get you to buy from them ,but there not all like that and like the previous op said take what you read here very lightly or the only rifle you will ever buy is spikes ,and they are good but there are far superior ARs out there .If you had a dozen spikes le st15s and a dozen Colt 6920s for sale around anyone who knows firearms I would put money on that the Colts would disappear first. |
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I had a local gun shop owner who is big into AR's, or so I thought, ask me what I shoot, I told him an LMT. He had never heard of em. I was kinda shocked.
I guess I just assume everyone reads AR15.com. This guythinks that Rock River Arms is the greatest thing since sliced bread. I have learned to not get into a conversation with anyone that works at a gun shop, or hangs out at a gun shop. It seems like in my area there is always some knucklehead that just hangs out in every gun shop to give everyone advice. |
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If you are talking about the Sig556 that is a piston gun. Spikes are good to go. stick with a DI gun, and enjoy it. Also, don't get too worked up about the mill spec it is the spec that the military got for the cheapest bid. So. Mil Spec = inferior firearm please axplain this. |
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Gunshops are the WORST place to get advice about guns! For ARs, this forum right here is the place! In fact I never buy my ARs (with the exception of some lowers) at gun shops, order them all online. Of course, doesn't hurt to have a friend with an FFL who'll do transfers for free! Concur. I'm sure there are some honest dealers, but there are too many who just want to sell you what they stock, and tell you anything else is not as good. Think of them as used car salesmen with trigger fingers. For the most part, gun shops are not the greatest places for advice, but there are some who do know their stuff. That said, some advice here isn't always the best either, I'm sure people here will disagree. Have to take everything with a grain of salt and find a consensus. If many first hand experiences are good, you're probably GTG! I would have to agree 100% about that statement, there are gun shops that will tell you anything to get you to buy from them ,but there not all like that and like the previous op said take what you read here very lightly or the only rifle you will ever buy is spikes ,and they are good but there are far superior ARs out there .If you had a dozen spikes le st15s and a dozen Colt 6920s for sale around anyone who knows firearms I would put money on that the Colts would disappear first. Please qualify your claim using objective, meaningful criteria (not the typical BS like "well company "X" has only been around for such and such years, but company "Y" blah blah blah). |
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If you are talking about the Sig556 that is a piston gun. Spikes are good to go. stick with a DI gun, and enjoy it. Also, don't get too worked up about the mill spec it is the spec that the military got for the cheapest bid. So. Mil Spec = inferior firearm please axplain this. I never said inferior, What I am saying is that there commercial guns out there that are very well made and will outlast their owner. Yes milspec is a good place to start but the military takes bids on what they need and they go with what can be provided within there quality level at the best price. ETA: im not trying to start a disagreement here which would just wreck the OP's thread. If you want to start arguments go do it in general. |
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If you are talking about the Sig556 that is a piston gun. Spikes are good to go. stick with a DI gun, and enjoy it. Also, don't get too worked up about the mill spec it is the spec that the military got for the cheapest bid. So. Mil Spec = inferior firearm please axplain this. and mil spec has nothing to do with "cheapest bid". it has to do with following the tdp that colt owns. |
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If you are talking about the Sig556 that is a piston gun. Spikes are good to go. stick with a DI gun, and enjoy it. Also, don't get too worked up about the mill spec it is the spec that the military got for the cheapest bid. So. Mil Spec = inferior firearm please axplain this. I never said inferior, What I am saying is that there commercial guns out there that are very well made and will outlast their owner. Yes milspec is a good place to start but the military takes bids on what they need and they go with what can be provided within there quality level at the best price. ETA: im not trying to start a disagreement here which would just wreck the OP's thread. If you want to start arguments go do it in general. Not trying to start and argument just trying to correct an error in the Tech Forum |
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