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Posted: 1/14/2011 12:38:13 PM EDT
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So I just sold this old motorcycle I had and I realized I dont own a rifle anymore.
So I talked to my buddy that browses this site and he said make a post. Its not that I dont trust his recommendations...but it would be nice to have some different ideas bounced around. So he says I need to get a Spikes Tactical Mid Length. I'm not that into guns and dont know much about the brands, but he swears this is the best bet for my budget. Then I told him I want a nice red dot. Something sweet like you see on call of duty. He recommended EOtech or Aimpoint. I went to EOtechs site and love the way they look, but there's tons of models and I cant figure out whats what. I'm looking for the one with the circle and single dot in the middle. So any links or information would be good. |
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He is probably correct. Spikes is great stuff.
Eotechs are good. Look at the specs for each model in terms of battery type or battery life. The XPS3 or XPS2 are the small ones and seem to be popular these days. Remember to save some money for ammo so you can actually shoot the darn thing! |
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Is there a difference between the two other then size?
I like the bigger looking ones to be honest, but im not sure what I should get. Id like to do this eventually, maybe even a suppressor if I can afford it, ect, ect http://www.dharkon.com/images/Eotech%20-%203x%20Magnifier%20&%20Mount-3.jpg |
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Start with this questions: What am I going to do with the rifle ? Self defense/survival/STF ? Plinking/informal target shooting ? Formal target shooting (high power, 3-gun, whatever) ? Hunting (if so, what) ? Other ?
There are a lot of trade offs, such as with the rifle's weight (heavy = less recoil, often better accuracy, light = better for carrying a lot). Without answering the question above, you will get a confusing array of conflicting recommendations because everyone and his dog has their own preferences. For example, I prefer an Aimpoint over the EOTech due to the simpler reticle, longer batter life and more rugged construction, but that's just me. My midlength 16" carbine is set up for self defense and as a backup to my primary 3-gun competition rifle... it looks like this: 
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Remember that you can't leave an Eotech on for extended periods of time. In my personal opinion, I wouldn't use an optic for home defense if I couldn't leave it on all the time. Aimpoints can stay on for years without the battery dying.
If you just want to shoot this rifle at the range with no intention of picking it up if someone breaks into your house, then the Eotech is a fine choice. |
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Well really its just target shooting. I dont do much shooting, but I used to go to the range all the time.
I wouldn't be shooting any farther then about 200yards and hunting is almost non existent...however id like to be able to do that if I can. I really like the way the EOtech red dot sights look. Id really like to go with one if I can. As long as its going to be decent. As far as home defense...iv got a 12ga and pistol for that. This is more of an art piece. |
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I would go with the Spike's Midlength and throw an EoTech XPS 2-0 on it. Total price should be around $1200-$1300 which leave you plenty of money for mags, ammo, slings and anything else you would like to throw in there. Well theres a gun show tomorrow and im hoping theres a vendor that sells those rifles. Im sure ill be able to find the EoTech. Are the other older sights more expensive? I dont know, I just like they way they look on there. |
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The EoTech XPS 2-0 runs between $400-$450 usually and you can find them at a few different site sponsors...
That is the model with the small dot inside of the big ring which is what I'm thinking your wanting from your description. You can also buy a Spike's rifle directly from the company for $810 before shipping and the ARFCOM coupon code if you don't find one locally. |
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I would go with the Spike's Midlength and throw an EoTech XPS 2-0 on it. Total price should be around $1200-$1300 which leave you plenty of money for mags, ammo, slings and anything else you would like to throw in there. Well theres a gun show tomorrow and im hoping theres a vendor that sells those rifles. Im sure ill be able to find the EoTech. Are the other older sights more expensive? I dont know, I just like they way they look on there. Be careful - you will find many many vendors at the gunshow trying to tell you that the AR15 rifle they have on their table is as good/better than the Spikes rifle. It will look the same, but may or may not be as good (most likely, not as good). The same for the optic - there are lots of cheap counterfeit optics at gunshows. As a general piece of advice, gunshows are dangerous places for the novice buyer to be wandering around with a wad of cash. |
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You should go with the Spike's. You will already be ahead of the learning curve and will not have buyers remorse after spending more time on these forums.
Optics are another learning experience. My advice is buy the best you can afford at a crazy low price. Buy from sponsors in the Industry and EE section. If you ever get interested in an Aimpoint check out Brightflashlights. Posted Via AR15.Com Mobile |
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This is what I would do.
Spikes middy my way Wait, I already did this. No wonder I like it so much. I just added the 3x magnifier on it today and it is a sweeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeet rifle!!!!!!! 
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Here is a build I am working on for about $1600. I got some of these items on sale, so it will cost you a little bit more, but this is basically my perfect build.
Spike's Enhanced LPK and lower: $260 Magpul CTR and buffer (DSG arms): $108 CHECK Magpul MOE handguard: $33 3x FDE PMAG: $40 Magpul MBUS off EE: $40 CHECK Aimpoint H1 and mount: $550 PWS Brake: $100 BCM Gunfighter: $40 Spike's Middy Upper $430 CHECK Total: $578/$1604 |
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I think your friend is right, Spikes gives you quite a bit of gun for the money. One thing to remember with the Eotech, if you have an astigmatism the reticle will look blurry. Good luck with your decision. About the Astigmatism, is this true with corrected vision, as with eye glasses or contacts correcting the astigmatism? I never actually thought of this being a problem. |
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I would go with the Spike's Midlength and throw an EoTech XPS 2-0 on it. Total price should be around $1200-$1300 which leave you plenty of money for mags, ammo, slings and anything else you would like to throw in there. Well theres a gun show tomorrow and im hoping theres a vendor that sells those rifles. Im sure ill be able to find the EoTech. Are the other older sights more expensive? I dont know, I just like they way they look on there. Be careful - you will find many many vendors at the gunshow trying to tell you that the AR15 rifle they have on their table is as good/better than the Spikes rifle. It will look the same, but may or may not be as good (most likely, not as good). The same for the optic - there are lots of cheap counterfeit optics at gunshows. As a general piece of advice, gunshows are dangerous places for the novice buyer to be wandering around with a wad of cash. Well said StealthyB, well said. |
| OP, just like another member said, "Go with Spikes and you will be ahead of the learning curve and you won't have buyers remorse the more you read on this site." this is a true statement. Gunshow vendors will say they have never heard of Spikes, and that's probably true they haven't, because they sell crap to unsuspecting customers who don't know any better. Again, not every gunshow vendor does this but I have been to enough gunshows to know that there is a lot of garbage out there. Spikes has some of the best customer service I have experienced of any manufacturer. When the day is done you can go back to Spikes if you have a problem, which is remote. Buy with confidence. |
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Get a Bravo Company midlength like this: Link
Then get a quality RDS (Red Dot Sight), Aimpoint would be my first choice, Eotech would be second, and a mount. Add a quality sling (I like the Vickers Blue Force sling) and get some quality mags from Magpul. After that you will need a lot of ammo and a training class to really learn how to run it. |
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No offense, but if you aren't fluent in AR15, then a "build" probably isn't what you want. In that case, any of the Spikes Tactical rifles would be a great choice. Hell, I would even recommend buying a Colt since the prices are so low on them right now. If you figure $1100 for somethng like a Colt 6920, then $500 for an Aimpoint ML2/ML3 series optic and $130 for a back-up iron sight of your choice, you're coming in under budget and you will have a top quality rifle with no second-guessing that also benefits from a high resale value. Down the road you may wind up swapping grips, stocks, and handguards/rails, but if you are new to the AR15, then you should shoot a relatively standard carbine for a while so that you can decide for yourself what you really NEED. **off-topic commentary** Folks will tell you that anything other than midlength is an unreliable, harsh-recoiling, dumb choice; however there's a metric shit-ton of carbines in circulation that disagree. Folks will tell you that they "shoot softer" or "cycle smoother" but I still don't understand how anyone can find a 5.56mm AR15 intolerable or unmanageable in the first place. I guess those folks don't shoot .308 and up with any regularity. Midlengths are nice (own two myself) but the carbine-gas just works and I would venture a guess that the more vicious cycling will be beneficial in harsh environs or when carbon fouling becomes an issue. No, I don't have data to prove it, but neither do the guys who say "Go midlength or go home." If I were in your shoes, I would look for a Spikes, BCM, Daniel Defense, or Colt. Mid-length or Carbine gas wouldn't be a deal breaker for me. The prices are down right now and you can really bring home the bacon if you know the ballpark prices. |
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Whatever you do, do not buy an AR or optic at a gun show. You WILL regret it later. Go to spikestactical.com and order the middy. Pick up an Aimpoint or Eotech of the EE and then add a light, mags, sling and ammo until you hit $1800.
Here's my Spikes. Linky McLinkerson ETA: Drunk and cannot spell |
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Gun shows this morning. I was told by my buddy that he saw a spikes table last time he was at that location. I know that doesn't guarantee anything, but.....its a gun show, why not go. I'm just confused...how do people get away with selling fake products knock offs at a gun show? You would think most gun people would run them off or something. If I see the spider on the mag well then its a spikes right?
Hows the colt compare to the spikes tactical? I just dont know enough about all the details the company's put in their description. Its a long list and its all technical specs. |
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Don't buy at the gun show. You'll pay 30% more, and you won't have a dealer to work with if you need to ship the rifle back for some reason. Well if I buy online im looking at around 75$ for the ffl transfer. The prices around here are insane. So that plus shipping might equal the cost of the gun at the show. We'll see. This is the first time iv had this much money in my wallet, but im not really itching to spend it so I should be ok. My buddy lives in New Mexico and is claiming hes moving back so if this shows a complete bust I may wait until he gets back next month. |
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Gun shows this morning. I was told by my buddy that he saw a spikes table last time he was at that location. I know that doesn't guarantee anything, but.....its a gun show, why not go. I'm just confused...how do people get away with selling fake products knock offs at a gun show? You would think most gun people would run them off or something. If I see the spider on the mag well then its a spikes right? Most "gun people" don' treally know either. Look how much bad info is spead by gun shops, gun shows and gun rags and I think you will have your answer. A lot of bad info comes out of LE and Military circles as well. But if you were to ask me a question and the answer I gave you was in conflict to your friend the cop or your buddy the Marine, why would you listen to me? Even if I was right? That is a just an example but you would be surprised at how common that is. So when the "Delta SEAL sniper" behind the couner at the gun show i telling Jim Bob how this rifle is better than anything else on the market, he listens. Just because yo see a Spider on a mag well doesn't mean it's a spikes. It could be a stripped Spikes lower with a no name upper and no name small parts. Hows the colt compare to the spikes tactical? I just dont know enough about all the details the company's put in their description.
Its a long list and its all technical specs. That question is a bit backwards. In reality it should be "how does Spikes compare to Colt." Colt is the industry standard. But it's up to you to decide what you need or want. Colt is limited to a few configuaions, Spikes hs more options. I would also be looking at BCM and Daniel Defense. BCM probably has the most off the shelf configuraions of any brand out there, and they are built to a very demanding standard. |
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So I just sold this old motorcycle I had and I realized I dont own a rifle anymore. So I talked to my buddy that browses this site and he said make a post. Its not that I dont trust his recommendations...but it would be nice to have some different ideas bounced around. So he says I need to get a Spikes Tactical Mid Length. I'm not that into guns and dont know much about the brands, but he swears this is the best bet for my budget. Then I told him I want a nice red dot. Something sweet like you see on call of duty. He recommended EOtech or Aimpoint. I went to EOtechs site and love the way they look, but there's tons of models and I cant figure out whats what. I'm looking for the one with the circle and single dot in the middle. So any links or information would be good. I also like how the Eotech looks and you dont need to buy a mount! So I bought a Eotech 551F in 2005 The Eotech has problems with BATTERY DRAIN Ive found my Eotech dead 3 times while haveing new batts. Back in 2001 A traded in a XD Aimpoint for the New at the time Aimpoint ML2 I`m still useing this optic today on my GO TO M4 Never had any problems. So If you are going to use your AR15 for SD or HD I would get the Aimpoint Brands of M4`s I like for SD/HD # 1 Noveske #2 Colt,LMT,BCM If its a AR15 just to shoot at the range then most brands will do fine BTW For target shooting I would get a regular AR 15 20inch rifle |
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