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Posted: 12/19/2010 4:40:53 PM EDT
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Hello,
I am new to this side of the forum and mostly stay on the Ak side. I have some questions regarding an M4 setup. I have a RRA Entry tactical with a YHM 12" rail and Magpul BUIS. The twist rate on the barrel is 1-9 and it is a 16" barrel. I would like to get scope for my gun to do some target shooting and varmint shooting. I figure the maximum distance I will be able to shoot would be up to 300 yards. I have a range set up that can is only able to be shot at about 200 yards right now. However, with some minor adjustments it could easily be made to 300 yards give or take. I would like a scope setup that could accommodate some good shooting. I would rather not spend an arms and a leg and just get the ball rolling. I own an aimpoint comp that I use on my Ak's, but don't want to put it on my M4. I would rather not change the barrel either, but would be willing to start slowly and get a good scope that may be somewhat better than the setup I have now and slowly keep adding to it until I am shooting some (tighter) groups. Please let me know your thoughts. Showing your setups is welcome, but please don't make me jealous. 
Thanks, M |
| I would suggest the weaver 3x10x40 tactical sold by midway , the super sniper 3x9 sold by swfa, the nikon 2x8 ar223 scope and the leupold mark ar 3x9 or the leupold mk 4 2x8 . the reason i have suggested these scope is they wont over power your 16 inch rifle but will give you enough optics to hit a coyote at 300 yds yet still be wide enough for shots closer in. |
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A scope is a scope, regardless of the barrel. It is a tool to magnify the target and help you in aiming. Some scopes have fancy bells and whistles for bullet drop, etc., but any given scope will function as well on a 16" barrel as it will on a 24".
You can get a good quality 3-9x (not BEST quality, but very good quality) scope for $100 that will hold zero, not fog up, and give you a bright, crisp sight picture. You can spend $5,000 for one from the premium makers, but it won't make your bullets fly any straighter. Go to Cabelas, or Bass pro, or to one of the AR suppliers advertised here. Just don't go for the Russian or Chinese scopes and you'll be good to go. . . |
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I would take a look at the Primary Arms 4-16x44.
It's illuminated, comes with a warranty from a reputable dealer (site sponsor) and best of all is only $160 and if you order by Christmas they include a free mount. Also gives you plenty of magnification in an adjustable platform if you decide on longer ranges. |
| Leopold or Nikon. Get the best you can afford. There are other brands out there that will suffice. Just dont go cheap. The 2 I have mentioned I have a lot of experience with both on the range and in the field. Though neither has ever let me down the Leopolds (MK2 and MK4) have taken the most abuse in the field from freezing rain and snow to hot humid and rainy weather. A good QD mount ring combo will make switching out with your dots quick and easy. |
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Quoted: Quoted: burris fullfield II is an excellent scope. It has bullet drop marks and stickers with all the common calibers. I have used mine to successfully shoot praire dogs out to 400 yards with mine. Which model do you own and/or recommend? i have the Fullfield II 3-9x40 Ballistic Plx. Its not heavy I bet you can find it for $160-$200. I plan on getting another for my mini 14 . |
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How would you rate the quality of Primary Arms' scopes..etc? I would rate them as better than what you pay for them...If that makes sense. They have good glass and I've never had a problem holding a zero. They also have great customer service and there is a thread in their industry forum about the scope. I think as long as you don't expect it to perform like a high end scope you wont be disapointed ...Hard to beat for the price. |
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A scope is a scope, regardless of the barrel. It is a tool to magnify the target and help you in aiming. Some scopes have fancy bells and whistles for bullet drop, etc., but any given scope will function as well on a 16" barrel as it will on a 24". You can get a good quality 3-9x (not BEST quality, but very good quality) scope for $100 that will hold zero, not fog up, and give you a bright, crisp sight picture. You can spend $5,000 for one from the premium makers, but it won't make your bullets fly any straighter. Go to Cabelas, or Bass pro, or to one of the AR suppliers advertised here. Just don't go for the Russian or Chinese scopes and you'll be good to go. . .[/quote and just where do you think you are going to get that 100.00 scope if not from the russians or chinese? to the op here is a target shot at 200 yds using a 3x10x40 weaver tactical mildot scope with mil/mil adjustments and a reset to zero turret . it is 15 shots at 200 yds. the scope cost 399.00 but you can catch it on sale at mid-way quite frequently for 299.00 
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A scope is a scope, regardless of the barrel. It is a tool to magnify the target and help you in aiming. Some scopes have fancy bells and whistles for bullet drop, etc., but any given scope will function as well on a 16" barrel as it will on a 24". You can get a good quality 3-9x (not BEST quality, but very good quality) scope for $100 that will hold zero, not fog up, and give you a bright, crisp sight picture. You can spend $5,000 for one from the premium makers, but it won't make your bullets fly any straighter. Go to Cabelas, or Bass pro, or to one of the AR suppliers advertised here. Just don't go for the Russian or Chinese scopes and you'll be good to go. . .[/quote and just where do you think you are going to get that 100.00 scope if not from the russians or chinese? to the op here is a target shot at 200 yds using a 3x10x40 weaver tactical mildot scope with mil/mil adjustments and a reset to zero turret . it is 15 shots at 200 yds. the scope cost 399.00 but you can catch it on sale at mid-way quite frequently for 299.00 http://i48.photobucket.com/albums/f247/jwb47/DSC_0049.jpg?t=1292892761 geez man, i could hit the target at 200 yards, but surely at least half of mine would be just "on paper". nice shooting! |
| SWFA has a lot of used scopes. They are also having closeout sales on a lot of Bushnell scopes listed here. |
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Quoted: SWFA has a lot of used scopes. They are also having closeout sales on a lot of Bushnell scopes listed here. SWFA also has the sample list. http://www.samplelist.com/ViewProducts.aspx |
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1) If you are going to zero a scope and leave it set there for all ranges, most any scope will do. When it is zero'd most of them stay put.
2) If you are going to zero it at say 200m/y and then use the elevation dial to get center hits at say 100m, 300m, 500m, and so on knowing the comeups or drops, different story. 3) Most hunting scopes will not come back to a zero. Some target scopes barely do so. Most optical red dots of all makers move erratically when dialed around. 4) The MINIMUM scope is something from the Leupold VariX-III line. Note the III, that is 3 iii. The Leupold VariX-II scopes as in ii will NOT come back to a zero for the first shot. Soon yes, but not the first shot. Too many people buy the VariX-II hunting scopes and use them as target scopes. They are not and do not work. 5) One of the neatest AR scopes is a Leupold VariX-III 1-5X factory fitted with tall target turrents. Fits an AR, looks right rather than a moon scope on the rail, accurate enough for MOA shooting, and 1X lets you see close, 5X lets you see far. The guts of every VariX-III is the same whether a hunting or a target format originally. |
| For "yotes" I have a Nikon Buckmaster 3x9 on a basic BM ORC carbine and have no problem with hits at 200 yards. The yote I drilled this weekend was at 210 yards when it spotted me and turned but gave one more glance over its shoulder. I have it zeroed for 100 yards and have shot it at differnt ranges to match the POI to the BDC. Makes for some quick adjustments when on the hunt. I know at 300 yards, my set-up makes child's play out of hitting the 10" steel with most of the impact in the center portion. I also have a 24" Varmint set-up with a Nikon 6x18 TD and it makes hits out to 400 plus yards on Prairie dogs. The rifle is the BM Varminter with SS barrel. |
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Does any one have any experience with the Simmons Aetec line for hunting/varminting? I use the simmons 6x20x50mm that midway sells on my 22-250 for yotes... Best 109$ scope I have ever bought... You get what you pay for with scopes. But as another poster has said, a $5000 scope wont make your bullets fly straighter.... Something else to need to consider is your using it for hunting, its goning to get beat up, dropped, scratched, muddy ect, Id rather beat the shit out of a 109 dollar scope then something I paid 900 bucks for.. |
I just put a Nikon 3-12x42 M223 scope on my RRA 18' Varmint A4 and it rocks. After I zeroed it at 100 I used the BDC 600 recicle at 300 yards and was going 5 for 5 with bulk 55 grain Federal Ammo on a 12 by 6 inch rectangle steel plate. It was really too easy. If you have the money you should seriously consider this scope in some brand of QD mount.
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I do not have it yet but to keep my ORC as compact as possible I have ordered a Millet DMS tactical scope. I am hoping that it will work as they claim it does. I want to carry my ORC on both a snow machine in the winter and an ATV in the non snow times. If I do not care about weight I just take my Bushmaster Perdator that has a 4x16x40 Springfield Armory scope on it. If you are like the rest of us, you will end up trying several different scope before you find one that is what yo are looking for.
Good luck on your search and have fun doing it. |
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I do not have it yet but to keep my ORC as compact as possible I have ordered a Millet DMS tactical scope. I am hoping that it will work as they claim it does. I want to carry my ORC on both a snow machine in the winter and an ATV in the non snow times. If I do not care about weight I just take my Bushmaster Perdator that has a 4x16x40 Springfield Armory scope on it. If you are like the rest of us, you will end up trying several different scope before you find one that is what yo are looking for. Good luck on your search and have fun doing it. You are going to enjoy your ORC, I put a Nikon 3x9, CTR stock, a MI drop in quad hand guard and it is my favorite carbine even over my BCM middy. I have never had a problem with it despite it being on the right of the "chart". I did stake the bcg and castle nut to be on the safe side, else it is my jeep go to gun. Enjoy it... 
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