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Posted: 12/8/2010 6:54:02 PM EDT
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I saw some Pre Ban uppers for sale on a web site, called them to ask if they will send them to NY, and they said yes. But they wont send the none pre ban uppers with flash hiders and such.
Now, these uppers all being new, how is it that even though they have the same items on them that make them a no go for NY, the pre ban ones are ok? |
| Its either a completely "cover my ass" mentality, or a misunderstanding of your laws. The upper by itself is not the firearm, and would not be a problem by itself(although some could argue the "constructive intent" issue). Ultimately it is up to the end user to follow the laws, not necessarily the seller-Unless there is provision in a law that specifically prohibits the importation of some item into the state. |
| Being from Ny myself, I have ordered a few uppers that would technically be illegal if put onto a lower in our wonder communist state. Shipping them to me was no problem. I simply had a gunsmith pin a compensator on after i took the flash hider off, and dremmel off the bayonet lug. Good to go after that. I like the DPMS Micculek compensator! |
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because the reason people buy postbans are because they are going on a post ban lower. if you want a flash hider on your upper, which means you need/already have a preban lower, just buy the preban upper. flash hiders on postbans are a no-go. But they have uppers labeled Pre Ban, with flash hiders, and ones not labeled Pre ban , with flash hiders. Both are the same, they both have flash hiders. Why does adding the Pre Ban label to one make that one ok to send to NY, and not the other with out the label. There has to be something to this, like some stamp, or number or something that makes it different then the none pre ban. And, if you buy the pre ban upper, and place it on a pre ban lower, would you be ok in a state like NY? |
| with a preban lower (meaning it was manufactured before the federal assault weapon ban in 1994) you can have anything you want on the upper. but a postban lower means the upper cant have a flash hider, bayonet lug, and the compensator/muzzle brake has to be permanently attached. those post ban uppers probably have a flash hider look-a-like muzzle brake. |
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because the reason people buy postbans are because they are going on a post ban lower. if you want a flash hider on your upper, which means you need/already have a preban lower, just buy the preban upper. flash hiders on postbans are a no-go. But they have uppers labeled Pre Ban, with flash hiders, and ones not labeled Pre ban , with flash hiders. Both are the same, they both have flash hiders. Why does adding the Pre Ban label to one make that one ok to send to NY, and not the other with out the label. There has to be something to this, like some stamp, or number or something that makes it different then the none pre ban. And, if you buy the pre ban upper, and place it on a pre ban lower, would you be on in a state like NY? Labeling an upper "Pre-Ban" or "Post-Ban" is irrelevant. It's the lower that is considered. Unless you have a "Pre-Ban" lower receiver you cannot have a bayonet lug, FH/Threaded Barrel or an adjustable buttstock on an AR style rifle. ETA: ...in New York State. |
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You need to read this http://www.ar15.com/forums/topic.html?b=8&f=9&t=307707
The only thing that matters is that the lower receiver is preban. A real preban upper is just an old upper; however, most dealers will label new uppers with flash hiders as being preban. Postban lower receiver = no evil features, fixed stock, plain bbl or perm. attached brake, no bayo lug Preban lower receiver = any evil features you want. Build it however you see fit, i.e., flash hider, collapsible stock, bayo lug. Preban mags can be used in either preban or postban weapons. Post ban (unless 10 rounds or less) are illegal to use in either post or preban. |
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Buy whatever upper you want as long as it has a 16" barrel or longer. Then send it to ADCO or ADDAX and have them pin/weld a COMPENSATOR (like the DPSM Micculek comp or Bushamster's "Izzy" comp) have the bayonet lug removed (all for about $50) and you are fine. Thats where im perplexed. I thought I could buy any upper and have it send to NY. But I cant. I called and asked. It has to say, pre ban or post ban(or have no B lug and flash hider). Any of the uppers that do not have either label and has a flash hider or/and B lug, they wont send to ny. Which I dont get, lol. I thought uppers didnt matter? Can I say the web site with out getting in trouble here? |
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Buy whatever upper you want as long as it has a 16" barrel or longer. Then send it to ADCO or ADDAX and have them pin/weld a COMPENSATOR (like the DPSM Micculek comp or Bushamster's "Izzy" comp) have the bayonet lug removed (all for about $50) and you are fine. Thats where im perplexed. I thought I could buy any upper and have it send to NY. But I cant. I called and asked. It has to say, pre ban or post ban(or have no B lug and flash hider). Any of the uppers that do not have either label and has a flash hider or/and B lug, they wont send to ny. Which I dont get, lol. I thought uppers didnt matter? Can I say the web site with out getting in trouble here? Again, it doesn't matter about the upper. If you have a preban lower, then buy a preban (noban, current style) upper. If you have a post ban lower then you need to buy a post ban (neutered) upper or one with a perm. attached muzzle brake and no bayo lug. You should be able to buy a preban style upper from any reputable dealer for your preban lower. If they refuse the sale, then fuck em, shop elsewhere, or the EE. |
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