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Posted: 12/8/2010 6:48:44 PM EDT
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I have a S&W M&P 15 that I love, and I've been really getting my money's worth on it, since I've put upwards of 2000 rounds through it since I bought it this fall.
BUT.. I am thinking about getting a 1 in 7" twist upper so if the S ever hits the F I will have a new upper on standby that I can slap on that can shoot 75 grain TAP, while continuing to shoot/train with my M&P stock upper with 1 in 9'' twist and cheap PMC Bronze ammo. I've been looking around, and I'm considering a Spikes Tactical Mid-Length upper since it seems to fit the bill. Comments? Suggestions? Thanks |
| Like you, I started with an M&P-15T. I then built a Spike's lower and added a mid-length Spike's LE upper with the 12" BAR rail. Then (just because) I bought a Daniel Defense 1:7 CL barrel when they were cheap at Brownell's and put it on my M&P. The Spike's upper is good to go so far, I don't have many rounds through it yet. |
Yes, but you are buying it for the wrong reasons IMO. Buy a quality upper so you have a quality upper (that will eventually grow another lower  ). 75gr TAP is great and all, but it is ammo for the best of times, not the worst of times. Buy an upper that will run ANY .223/5.56 that you can get your hands on. So that means anything from 55gr garbage wolf to 75gr TAP to a random handful of nosler tipped 45gr varmint handloads you found in the door pocket of some old fart's truck. SHTF may not be prolonged or protracted, but you may not be near your normal ammo stash when/if it occurs, so you need to be able to use whatever you can get.75gr TAP is great for home defense, but if all the gloves are off, the advantages that TAP gives you are redundant. If I remember correctly, there is a 62gr version that should work great in a 1/9 barrel that you already have. |
| Spikes or BCM middy's would be my choice, flip a coin. I am currently waiting on a complete Spikes middy that I ordered back in July. I had originally ordered it with their new BAR rail, but they were back ordered at the time I placed my order. By the time they were ready to assemble my rifle the talk was all about their new SAR rail, so I decided to wait for the 9" SAR rail. I just read where Spikes has received the first shipments of the new SAR rails, so hopefully it won't be to much longer. |
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Spikes or BCM middy's would be my choice, flip a coin. Flip a coin? BCM is much better than Spikes. In fact, not even close enough to compare, much less "flip a coin"! Spikes is overrated unless you're like the guy who said he bought Spikes because he "liked the spider". |
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Spikes or BCM middy's would be my choice, flip a coin. Flip a coin? BCM is much better than Spikes. In fact, not even close enough to compare, much less "flip a coin"! Spikes is overrated unless you're like the guy who said he bought Spikes because he "liked the spider".[/quote Edit Dont want to get put in timeout by the mods! |
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Quoted: Flip a coin? BCM is much better than Spikes. In fact, not even close enough to compare, much less "flip a coin"! Spikes is overrated unless you're like the guy who said he bought Spikes because he "liked the spider". I've read through a huge thread on that other site that bashed Spikes on the basis of materials and testing, and then when Spikes came out with the certifications for all points of interest, there was little more than tumbleweeds and groaning. Now, I understand that BCM has a longer-running reputation than Spikes, but how does that equate to Spikes paling by comparison? |
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Spikes or BCM middy's would be my choice, flip a coin. Flip a coin? BCM is much better than Spikes. In fact, not even close enough to compare, much less "flip a coin"! Spikes is overrated unless you're like the guy who said he bought Spikes because he "liked the spider". Proof, please. |
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Spikes or BCM middy's would be my choice, flip a coin. Flip a coin? BCM is much better than Spikes. In fact, not even close enough to compare, much less "flip a coin"! Spikes is overrated unless you're like the guy who said he bought Spikes because he "liked the spider". When comparing similar models, how is BCM "much better"? |
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Spikes or BCM middy's would be my choice, flip a coin. Flip a coin? BCM is much better than Spikes. In fact, not even close enough to compare, much less "flip a coin"! Spikes is overrated unless you're like the guy who said he bought Spikes because he "liked the spider".[/quote Edit Dont want to get put in timeout by the mods! How about backing your foolish statement with FACTS? Obviously you have been hanging out at the other site to much. Spikes has proven themselves by putting out quality parts and rifles, and they went the extra step and provided the documentation for the naysayers. Maybe not as fast as some would have liked, but they did it none the less, |
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Spikes or BCM middy's would be my choice, flip a coin. Flip a coin? BCM is much better than Spikes. In fact, not even close enough to compare, much less "flip a coin"! Spikes is overrated unless you're like the guy who said he bought Spikes because he "liked the spider". Possible entry for the "BS Busters" thread. Molon, what's your take regarding the claim above? |
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"Spare Uppers" are pretty much pointless when you can build a high quality complete lower with Magpul furniture for about $250.00... just sayin'.
http://www.aimsurplus.com/product.aspx?item=F1STSL&name=Spike's+Tactical+AR15+Lower+Receiver&groupid=53 http://palmettostatearmory.com/506.php http://dsgarms.com/ProductInfo/MGMOEKITBLK.aspx |
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BCM clearly indicates that their barrels meet or exceed Mil-Spec 11595E. Spikes does not. BCM clearly indicates that their barrels are High Pressure Tested (HPT). Spikes does not. Where have you been? Nevermind most of can assume where you have been by your statements. Maybe you need to do some more reading and than edit your statement above. This has all been hashed out 100 times before. Not going to waste any more time on this. Spikes documentation for the unbelievers. |
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Yes, but you are buying it for the wrong reasons IMO. Buy a quality upper so you have a quality upper (that will eventually grow another lower ). 75gr TAP is great and all, but it is ammo for the best of times, not the worst of times. Buy an upper that will run ANY .223/5.56 that you can get your hands on. So that means anything from 55gr garbage wolf to 75gr TAP to a random handful of nosler tipped 45gr varmint handloads you found in the door pocket of some old fart's truck. SHTF may not be prolonged or protracted, but you may not be near your normal ammo stash when/if it occurs, so you need to be able to use whatever you can get.75gr TAP is great for home defense, but if all the gloves are off, the advantages that TAP gives you are redundant. If I remember correctly, there is a 62gr version that should work great in a 1/9 barrel that you already have. I'm with Dan on this. If you want reasons to buy another AR, no problem, read the flame wars over this or that, blah blah blah and you can pick whatever you want, Spikes, BCM, brand X. Most people run 55/62 grain ammo wherever they can find the best price. Either is perfect for a 1/9. Spend your money on buying ammo to practice marksmanship w/your AR and take an AR basic carbine course. Your ability to operate it well is far more important than which brand you have (combat troops excepted who need Colt-level quality). |
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Quoted: Your dripping fanboism is ridiculous. Quoted: Spikes or BCM middy's would be my choice, flip a coin. Flip a coin? BCM is much better than Spikes. In fact, not even close enough to compare, much less "flip a coin"! Spikes is overrated unless you're like the guy who said he bought Spikes because he "liked the spider". |
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