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Posted: 12/8/2010 6:10:33 PM EDT
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Hey guys, I am looking at possibly getting my first AR after Christmas. Price will be a huge issue. I am looking at getting a good platform and slowly changing out parts if needed, or as I get more money through next year.
Here is my current plan: Get either the M4 or Mid length kit from DelTon and pick up a lower and assemble my first AR. I live with my step brother who has all the tools to assemble an AR plus some spare parts. Then, down the road swapping in an M16 bolt carrier group, different stock, grip, rails, etc.... Basically what I am asking is this, is the DelTon rifle a good base to build on? Or would I end up with a lot of lipstick on a pig? I don't make a lot of money so if I got the Delton kit, once I got the rifle assembled, it would be that way for a while until I got more money. Thoughts? |
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Early welcome to the black rifle family. Right now you can't beat this deal!
Complete Delton Rifle Kit for $500 They are a nice budget AR that will allow you to experiment with the black rifle until you find out exactly what you want. |
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Early welcome to the black rifle family. Right now you can't beat this deal! Complete Delton Rifle Kit for $500 They are a nice budget AR that will allow you to experiment with the black rifle until you find out exactly what you want. Too bad that they are sold out.^^^^ |
| I know that it is probably not what you want to hear, but my recommendation would be to save up some more money until you can afford a more quality rifle. By the time you end up getting a good quality complete bcg, you are going to spend around $150, and then you have the old bcg which is basically worthless. Plus, you will likely end up with a barrel with 1/9 twist and the less expensive Deltons often don't have a chrome lined barrel. I don't know if their chambers are in spec either. You could end up having to ream it. Bottom line is that you might have to spend a whole lot more money to get it up to the level of a Colt, BCM, DD, etc. There are some good deals out there right now for some very quality rifles, so you might want to look around some more. Or save a few more bucks so you can buy right the first time. Good luck, and I hope you enjoy your purchase! |
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I know that it is probably not what you want to hear, but my recommendation would be to save up some more money until you can afford a more quality rifle. By the time you end up getting a good quality complete bcg, you are going to spend around $150, and then you have the old bcg which is basically worthless. Plus, you will likely end up with a barrel with 1/9 twist and the less expensive Deltons often don't have a chrome lined barrel. I don't know if their chambers are in spec either. You could end up having to ream it. Bottom line is that you might have to spend a whole lot more money to get it up to the level of a Colt, BCM, DD, etc. There are some good deals out there right now for some very quality rifles, so you might want to look around some more. Or save a few more bucks so you can buy right the first time. Good luck, and I hope you enjoy your purchase! Yep... what the Wolverine said. |
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Thanks so far guys. I guess I am just having a hard time saving up the money. I'm one of those guys who has no problem with having three guns that cost around $500 each, but have a hard time spending that $1500 on just one gun. Probably because that's a lot of money to me. If I can come up with more money, I will see about dropping more on a complete rifle from DPMS or other mfg.
I'm expecting the biggest tax refund I have ever gotten this spring coming up because this was my first year living on my own and I rent so I should get back plenty, I just don't want to spend all of it on an AR....Well I do, but I can't 
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I've had good results with DelTon builds. Wish they had 1/7 barrels but if you are shooting 55 and 62 gr. mostly, you will be fine.
I just checked the site. Bought mine during the panic and I got a chrome lined 1:7. Doesn't look like the offer it anymore. Supplier problems I guess. |
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Thanks so far guys. I guess I am just having a hard time saving up the money. I'm one of those guys who has no problem with having three guns that cost around $500 each, but have a hard time spending that $1500 on just one gun. Probably because that's a lot of money to me. If I can come up with more money, I will see about dropping more on a complete rifle from DPMS or other mfg. I'm expecting the biggest tax refund I have ever gotten this spring coming up because this was my first year living on my own and I rent so I should get back plenty, I just don't want to spend all of it on an AR....Well I do, but I can't Hey, I understand that it is not easy to drop that kind of money. But when it comes to AR's (or any other primarily defense weapon) I would rather have 1 quality $1,500 rifle than 3 $500 marginal ones. Just remember, you dont' have to spend $1,500 to get a quality rifle. The KAC's, Noveske's, etc. are great guns, but there are other quality mfg's with offerings in the $800 to $1,100 range. Not to dump more bad news on you, but I have found that the rifle is actually the cheap part. It's the cost of the ammo, magazines, sling, optics, light, stocks, rails, etc. that bleed you. Just don't think that you need all of the fancy gizmos all at once. The plain jane M4 adjustable stock, A2 Grip, and stock handguards will work just fine. Your first priorities should be ammo, more ammo, sling, mags, and then a good optic. Also, I'm not trying to dump on DPMS by any means, but you may run into the same issues as the Delton if you go that route (bcg issues, 1/9 twist, etc.). There are a lot of guys who run DMPS and really like them, and they are not junk. I guess my suggestion is that you do a bit more research and take a look at the lesser know mfg's like Daniel Defense, Bravo Company, and Spikes. They aren't the brands you see in the gun store, and there are a lot of guys who have never even heard of them. But, they make great stuff at very reasonable prices. While you are saving up your hard earned cash, use the time to research this site and others like it. There is a metric shit ton of information available to you so that when it comes time to lay down the cash, you are informed. Remember, you are visiting AR15.com, so you are among folks who have all succumbed to the black rifle disease. We are all going to tell you to skip meals and raid your retirement fund to save up for an AR! |
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Early welcome to the black rifle family. Right now you can't beat this deal! Complete Delton Rifle Kit for $500 They are a nice budget AR that will allow you to experiment with the black rifle until you find out exactly what you want. Too bad that they are sold out.^^^^ Crap they were in stock when I posted it....LOL. That was quick! |
| Honestly, if you're on a tight budget like most people, you won't be able to afford the amount of ammo to shoot a Del ton to failure anyway. And if you did it might take more than a more expensive AR. There's no reason to not say your first Del ton may be your all time favorite. |
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I'm awaiting delivery of a Del Ton kit from Black Friday sale. The M16 bolt carrier was not an option during checkout but after replying to there order confirmation with request for M16 bolt carrier they replied back that they would do this no problem. As far as I know there will be no extra charge.
So far I can't complain about Del Ton. After sale I'll have right at $500 in complete rifle (minus rear sight / scope). If you can save a little more for a Spike's I can say from having one that I am very pleased for the price I paid. |
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I received my Del Ton M-4 Kit with in 6 days of ordering. Mated it to an Aero Precision lower. Took it out this weekend and zeroed it in. Rifle shoots great. The Eotech XPS2 I ordered from the site made it even better. I tested the upper on my Bushmaster lower before zeroing and it shot great on that too. I'll be ordering from Del Ton again. |
| Just got my mid length upper six days after ordering during the Black Friday Sale. Put it on a Spikes lower for my first build. Fit and finish seems good and it seems to shoot well with iron sights. Still waiting on my optics. For the money I think you would be happy. |
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Quoted:I am torn between the M4 kit and the Mid Length. Any reason to go with one over the other?
I'd look at the mid length. Keep in mind there is less pressure required to cycle a mid length because the gas system is longer. So what does that mean? Less recoil for quicker/more accurate follow up shots. It is also softer on the brass if you reload. You end up with the same length barrel either way you go so I'd seriously consider the mid length. I've never had any problems with either gas system length rifle, but that's something to take a look at. |
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I'd look at the mid length. Keep in mind there is less pressure required to cycle a mid length because the gas system is longer. So what does that mean? Less recoil for quicker/more accurate follow up shots. It is also softer on the brass if you reload. You end up with the same length barrel either way you go so I'd seriously consider the mid length. I've never had any problems with either gas system length rifle, but that's something to take a look at. That's how I understood it as well. I know I want a light rifle and their M4 kit comes with the lighter M4 profile barrel, but their mid length only has the option for heavy barrels. I have held similar length AR's with both the heavy and m4 profile barrels and I can tell the difference. Everything's a compromise I guess. |
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Early welcome to the black rifle family. Right now you can't beat this deal! Complete Delton Rifle Kit for $500 They are a nice budget AR that will allow you to experiment with the black rifle until you find out exactly what you want. Too bad that they are sold out.^^^^ They are showing four units in stock now. |
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First off, welcome. What you will find here is alot of advice from guys that believe it's high end or nothing. Everything else is garbage. Also, A1's, A2's, 1in9 barrels, fixed stocks are worthless too.
I have a.....should I say????? Del-Ton A2 1in9, and it's an HBAR !!!!!! I should be sacraficed to the Stoner gods. All this being said, you do get very good advice from this site. There are many members that will help you. Anyway, Del-Ton is good to go. Pay the extra $45 for chrome lined. Mine shoots very well, and so far, no problems. I know what it means to be on a budget. Oh yea, it loves Wal-Mart bulk Federal 55gr. Good luck.......... |
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I know that it is probably not what you want to hear, but my recommendation would be to save up some more money until you can afford a more quality rifle. By the time you end up getting a good quality complete bcg, you are going to spend around $150, and then you have the old bcg which is basically worthless. Plus, you will likely end up with a barrel with 1/9 twist and the less expensive Deltons often don't have a chrome lined barrel. I don't know if their chambers are in spec either. You could end up having to ream it. Bottom line is that you might have to spend a whole lot more money to get it up to the level of a Colt, BCM, DD, etc. There are some good deals out there right now for some very quality rifles, so you might want to look around some more. Or save a few more bucks so you can buy right the first time. Good luck, and I hope you enjoy your purchase! Yep... what the Wolverine said. Not flaming you guys, but I'd like to know if either of you own a Del-Ton upper? Do you know of a Del-Ton upper with an out of spec chamber? If you can provide documentation about chamber spec I'd like to see it. Also, "ending up" with a non-chrome lined barrel and a 1/9 twist isn't a bad thing. To answer the OP, Del-Ton is GTG. Buy with confidence. For full disclosure, I do own a Del-Ton upper. It's a 1/9 non-chrome lightweight 16". |
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I know that it is probably not what you want to hear, but my recommendation would be to save up some more money until you can afford a more quality rifle. By the time you end up getting a good quality complete bcg, you are going to spend around $150, and then you have the old bcg which is basically worthless. Plus, you will likely end up with a barrel with 1/9 twist and the less expensive Deltons often don't have a chrome lined barrel. I don't know if their chambers are in spec either. You could end up having to ream it. Bottom line is that you might have to spend a whole lot more money to get it up to the level of a Colt, BCM, DD, etc. There are some good deals out there right now for some very quality rifles, so you might want to look around some more. Or save a few more bucks so you can buy right the first time. Good luck, and I hope you enjoy your purchase! Yep... what the Wolverine said. Not flaming you guys, but I'd like to know if either of you own a Del-Ton upper? Do you know of a Del-Ton upper with an out of spec chamber? If you can provide documentation about chamber spec I'd like to see it. Also, "ending up" with a non-chrome lined barrel and a 1/9 twist isn't a bad thing. To answer the OP, Del-Ton is GTG. Buy with confidence. For full disclosure, I do own a Del-Ton upper. It's a 1/9 non-chrome lightweight 16". I've never owned a Del-Ton upper, but I'm not sure why you would find that to be relevant? There are a lot of uppers that I have never owned and never will own. There is a reason for that. I simply responded to the OP's questions with my observations. He was planning to buy a Del-Ton and then go out and start replacing the parts on it. My suggestion was for him to go with a rifle that is of higher quality right out of the box and that will not require bcg upgrades, etc. You are right, a non-chrome lined barrel and 1/9 are not "bad things," but imho a chrome lined barrel and 1/7 are "better things." The reasons why are well established and I won't go into them here. I just think there are too many issues and questions with Del-Ton to recommend them over other mfg's that do not have said issues and questions. As of October 2010 they do not HPT and MPI their barrels. They use 4140 barrel steel (although I have read that they do make barrels with 4150 barrel steel - but I'm guessing that you are going to pay more for that.) Do they HPT and MPI their bolts? Their website only states that they are heat treated. They have been known to be overgassed. As it relates to the chamber specs, I specifically stated in my previouys post that I don't know if they are in spec. I never stated that they were not. Simply a query on my part. Again, I don't own Del-Tons. For those that do - great. Enjoy your rifle. But don't try to tell us that it is equivalent to a Colt, BCM, DD, or Spikes. Its not. They cut a few corners that allow them to offer a product at a lower price point. That doesn't make it a bad gun by any means. But instead of 25 posts that basically say nothing more than "Del-ton is GTG," why not tell us WHY Del-Ton is GTG? Tell us why HPT and MPI are not necessary? Tell us why non-chrome lining and 1/9 twist are preferrable to chrome lining and 1/7 twist? Tell us why oversized gas ports are a good thing? Give the OP something more than "Del-Ton is GTG because that is what I bought." I respect your opinion if it differs from mine. |
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I know that it is probably not what you want to hear, but my recommendation would be to save up some more money until you can afford a more quality rifle. By the time you end up getting a good quality complete bcg, you are going to spend around $150, and then you have the old bcg which is basically worthless. Plus, you will likely end up with a barrel with 1/9 twist and the less expensive Deltons often don't have a chrome lined barrel. I don't know if their chambers are in spec either. You could end up having to ream it. Bottom line is that you might have to spend a whole lot more money to get it up to the level of a Colt, BCM, DD, etc. There are some good deals out there right now for some very quality rifles, so you might want to look around some more. Or save a few more bucks so you can buy right the first time. Good luck, and I hope you enjoy your purchase! Yep... what the Wolverine said. Not flaming you guys, but I'd like to know if either of you own a Del-Ton upper? Do you know of a Del-Ton upper with an out of spec chamber? If you can provide documentation about chamber spec I'd like to see it. Also, "ending up" with a non-chrome lined barrel and a 1/9 twist isn't a bad thing. To answer the OP, Del-Ton is GTG. Buy with confidence. For full disclosure, I do own a Del-Ton upper. It's a 1/9 non-chrome lightweight 16". I've never owned a Del-Ton upper, but I'm not sure why you would find that to be relevant? There are a lot of uppers that I have never owned and never will own. There is a reason for that. I simply responded to the OP's questions with my observations. He was planning to buy a Del-Ton and then go out and start replacing the parts on it. My suggestion was for him to go with a rifle that is of higher quality right out of the box and that will not require bcg upgrades, etc. You are right, a non-chrome lined barrel and 1/9 are not "bad things," but imho a chrome lined barrel and 1/7 are "better things." The reasons why are well established and I won't go into them here. I just think there are too many issues and questions with Del-Ton to recommend them over other mfg's that do not have said issues and questions. As of October 2010 they do not HPT and MPI their barrels. They use 4140 barrel steel (although I have read that they do make barrels with 4150 barrel steel - but I'm guessing that you are going to pay more for that.) Do they HPT and MPI their bolts? Their website only states that they are heat treated. They have been known to be overgassed. As it relates to the chamber specs, I specifically stated in my previouys post that I don't know if they are in spec. I never stated that they were not. Simply a query on my part. Again, I don't own Del-Tons. For those that do - great. Enjoy your rifle. But don't try to tell us that it is equivalent to a Colt, BCM, DD, or Spikes. Its not. They cut a few corners that allow them to offer a product at a lower price point. That doesn't make it a bad gun by any means. But instead of 25 posts that basically say nothing more than "Del-ton is GTG," why not tell us WHY Del-Ton is GTG? Tell us why HPT and MPI are not necessary? Tell us why non-chrome lining and 1/9 twist are preferrable to chrome lining and 1/7 twist? Tell us why oversized gas ports are a good thing? Give the OP something more than "Del-Ton is GTG because that is what I bought." I respect your opinion if it differs from mine. I find it amusing that you started out basically asking him not to put words in your mouth, then by the end you were putting words in his, i.e. "tell us why HPT and MPI are not necessary? Tell us why non-chrome lining and 1/9 twist are preferrable to chrome lining and 1/7 twist?" No one said those things either. As other posters suggested, they are a low-cost rifle that works fine as a first AR. Statements like "I don't know if their chambers are in spec either; you could end up having to ream it", while not directly stating that they are out of spec, still have a connotation, and are often called "FUD": Fear, Uncertainty, and Doubt. Ultimately, the OP has to evaluate whether the price difference is worth the missing features, but the question others are answering here is mainly whether they are workable rifles, which they are, unless you have evidence to the contrary. |
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I know that it is probably not what you want to hear, but my recommendation would be to save up some more money until you can afford a more quality rifle. By the time you end up getting a good quality complete bcg, you are going to spend around $150, and then you have the old bcg which is basically worthless. Plus, you will likely end up with a barrel with 1/9 twist and the less expensive Deltons often don't have a chrome lined barrel. I don't know if their chambers are in spec either. You could end up having to ream it. Bottom line is that you might have to spend a whole lot more money to get it up to the level of a Colt, BCM, DD, etc. There are some good deals out there right now for some very quality rifles, so you might want to look around some more. Or save a few more bucks so you can buy right the first time. Good luck, and I hope you enjoy your purchase! Yep... what the Wolverine said. Not flaming you guys, but I'd like to know if either of you own a Del-Ton upper? Do you know of a Del-Ton upper with an out of spec chamber? If you can provide documentation about chamber spec I'd like to see it. Also, "ending up" with a non-chrome lined barrel and a 1/9 twist isn't a bad thing. To answer the OP, Del-Ton is GTG. Buy with confidence. For full disclosure, I do own a Del-Ton upper. It's a 1/9 non-chrome lightweight 16". I've never owned a Del-Ton upper, but I'm not sure why you would find that to be relevant? There are a lot of uppers that I have never owned and never will own. There is a reason for that. I simply responded to the OP's questions with my observations. He was planning to buy a Del-Ton and then go out and start replacing the parts on it. My suggestion was for him to go with a rifle that is of higher quality right out of the box and that will not require bcg upgrades, etc. You are right, a non-chrome lined barrel and 1/9 are not "bad things," but imho a chrome lined barrel and 1/7 are "better things." The reasons why are well established and I won't go into them here. I just think there are too many issues and questions with Del-Ton to recommend them over other mfg's that do not have said issues and questions. As of October 2010 they do not HPT and MPI their barrels. They use 4140 barrel steel (although I have read that they do make barrels with 4150 barrel steel - but I'm guessing that you are going to pay more for that.) Do they HPT and MPI their bolts? Their website only states that they are heat treated. They have been known to be overgassed. As it relates to the chamber specs, I specifically stated in my previouys post that I don't know if they are in spec. I never stated that they were not. Simply a query on my part. Again, I don't own Del-Tons. For those that do - great. Enjoy your rifle. But don't try to tell us that it is equivalent to a Colt, BCM, DD, or Spikes. Its not. They cut a few corners that allow them to offer a product at a lower price point. That doesn't make it a bad gun by any means. But instead of 25 posts that basically say nothing more than "Del-ton is GTG," why not tell us WHY Del-Ton is GTG? Tell us why HPT and MPI are not necessary? Tell us why non-chrome lining and 1/9 twist are preferrable to chrome lining and 1/7 twist? Tell us why oversized gas ports are a good thing? Give the OP something more than "Del-Ton is GTG because that is what I bought." I respect your opinion if it differs from mine. I find it amusing that you started out basically asking him not to put words in your mouth, then by the end you were putting words in his, i.e. "tell us why HPT and MPI are not necessary? Tell us why non-chrome lining and 1/9 twist are preferrable to chrome lining and 1/7 twist?" No one said those things either. As other posters suggested, they are a low-cost rifle that works fine as a first AR. Statements like "I don't know if their chambers are in spec either; you could end up having to ream it", while not directly stating that they are out of spec, still have a connotation, and are often called "FUD": Fear, Uncertainty, and Doubt. Ultimately, the OP has to evaluate whether the price difference is worth the missing features, but the question others are answering here is mainly whether they are workable rifles, which they are, unless you have evidence to the contrary. Not trying to put words in anybody's mouth. Just want something more than the old and cold "GTG." The OP asked if the Del-Ton is a good base to build upon. My answer was that I think there are better options, and I supported my opinion. The OP suggested that he was thinking about starting with the Del-Ton and then upgrading the parts over time. My suggestion was that he start with something better from the start in order to avoid having to spend money on the uprades, and I supported my opinion. What does "workable rifle" mean? They all work. Its just that some mfg's go the extra mile and others cut some corners. My opnion is that the prices currently offered by those mfg's that go the extra mile are too cmpteitive to settle for something less. Tell me why I am wrong. |
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I've never owned a Del-Ton upper, but I'm not sure why you would find that to be relevant? There are a lot of uppers that I have never owned and never will own. There is a reason for that. I simply responded to the OP's questions with my observations. He was planning to buy a Del-Ton and then go out and start replacing the parts on it. My suggestion was for him to go with a rifle that is of higher quality right out of the box and that will not require bcg upgrades, etc. You are right, a non-chrome lined barrel and 1/9 are not "bad things," but imho a chrome lined barrel and 1/7 are "better things." The reasons why are well established and I won't go into them here. I just think there are too many issues and questions with Del-Ton to recommend them over other mfg's that do not have said issues and questions. As of October 2010 they do not HPT and MPI their barrels. They use 4140 barrel steel (although I have read that they do make barrels with 4150 barrel steel - but I'm guessing that you are going to pay more for that.) Do they HPT and MPI their bolts? Their website only states that they are heat treated. They have been known to be overgassed. As it relates to the chamber specs, I specifically stated in my previouys post that I don't know if they are in spec. I never stated that they were not. Simply a query on my part. Again, I don't own Del-Tons. For those that do - great. Enjoy your rifle. But don't try to tell us that it is equivalent to a Colt, BCM, DD, or Spikes. Its not. They cut a few corners that allow them to offer a product at a lower price point. That doesn't make it a bad gun by any means. But instead of 25 posts that basically say nothing more than "Del-ton is GTG," why not tell us WHY Del-Ton is GTG? Tell us why HPT and MPI are not necessary? Tell us why non-chrome lining and 1/9 twist are preferrable to chrome lining and 1/7 twist? Tell us why oversized gas ports are a good thing? Give the OP something more than "Del-Ton is GTG because that is what I bought." I respect your opinion if it differs from mine. I find it amusing that you started out basically asking him not to put words in your mouth, then by the end you were putting words in his, i.e. "tell us why HPT and MPI are not necessary? Tell us why non-chrome lining and 1/9 twist are preferrable to chrome lining and 1/7 twist?" No one said those things either. As other posters suggested, they are a low-cost rifle that works fine as a first AR. Statements like "I don't know if their chambers are in spec either; you could end up having to ream it", while not directly stating that they are out of spec, still have a connotation, and are often called "FUD": Fear, Uncertainty, and Doubt. Ultimately, the OP has to evaluate whether the price difference is worth the missing features, but the question others are answering here is mainly whether they are workable rifles, which they are, unless you have evidence to the contrary. What he said. I said I wasn't flaming you. I asked about the chamber because I have never heard that, and if you could point me toward someone that had a chamber spec probblem I'd like to know about it. I run a very tight budget too, so I understand the OP's position. I just don't want someone to be scared off from purchasing a good rifle by speculation. |
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I've never owned a Del-Ton upper, but I'm not sure why you would find that to be relevant? There are a lot of uppers that I have never owned and never will own. There is a reason for that. I simply responded to the OP's questions with my observations. He was planning to buy a Del-Ton and then go out and start replacing the parts on it. My suggestion was for him to go with a rifle that is of higher quality right out of the box and that will not require bcg upgrades, etc. You are right, a non-chrome lined barrel and 1/9 are not "bad things," but imho a chrome lined barrel and 1/7 are "better things." The reasons why are well established and I won't go into them here. I just think there are too many issues and questions with Del-Ton to recommend them over other mfg's that do not have said issues and questions. As of October 2010 they do not HPT and MPI their barrels. They use 4140 barrel steel (although I have read that they do make barrels with 4150 barrel steel - but I'm guessing that you are going to pay more for that.) Do they HPT and MPI their bolts? Their website only states that they are heat treated. They have been known to be overgassed. As it relates to the chamber specs, I specifically stated in my previouys post that I don't know if they are in spec. I never stated that they were not. Simply a query on my part. Again, I don't own Del-Tons. For those that do - great. Enjoy your rifle. But don't try to tell us that it is equivalent to a Colt, BCM, DD, or Spikes. Its not. They cut a few corners that allow them to offer a product at a lower price point. That doesn't make it a bad gun by any means. But instead of 25 posts that basically say nothing more than "Del-ton is GTG," why not tell us WHY Del-Ton is GTG? Tell us why HPT and MPI are not necessary? Tell us why non-chrome lining and 1/9 twist are preferrable to chrome lining and 1/7 twist? Tell us why oversized gas ports are a good thing? Give the OP something more than "Del-Ton is GTG because that is what I bought." I respect your opinion if it differs from mine. I find it amusing that you started out basically asking him not to put words in your mouth, then by the end you were putting words in his, i.e. "tell us why HPT and MPI are not necessary? Tell us why non-chrome lining and 1/9 twist are preferrable to chrome lining and 1/7 twist?" No one said those things either. As other posters suggested, they are a low-cost rifle that works fine as a first AR. Statements like "I don't know if their chambers are in spec either; you could end up having to ream it", while not directly stating that they are out of spec, still have a connotation, and are often called "FUD": Fear, Uncertainty, and Doubt. Ultimately, the OP has to evaluate whether the price difference is worth the missing features, but the question others are answering here is mainly whether they are workable rifles, which they are, unless you have evidence to the contrary. What he said. I said I wasn't flaming you. I asked about the chamber because I have never heard that, and if you could point me toward someone that had a chamber spec probblem I'd like to know about it. I run a very tight budget too, so I understand the OP's position. I just don't want someone to be scared off from purchasing a good rifle by speculation. Your point is absolutely fair. It is essential that we separate facts from speculation. There is nothing wrong with posting antecdotal information so long as you are not trying to pass if off as fact. In my posts I clearly stated that I don't know if their chambers are in spec. I never attempted to state it as fact. The basis for my statement is that I have heard first hand accounts of rather tight chambers in Del-Tons. Most of them are somewhat old, so perhaps any percieved issue has since been remedied by the mfg. Perhaps my sources were flat out full of it. It is just an issue that I was hearing about. In no way did I intend to spread misinformation. I should have stuck to the facts, and you properly called me out on it. Listen, I'm not trying to tear down Del-Ton. But the differences between Del-Ton and the other mfg's that I listed are not mere speculation. I'm not trying to scare the OP off of Delton. My point from the outset has been that there are better options available at very competitive prices. |
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It's all good guys. I understand Wolverine's point for sure. There is a reson they are cheap, sure but I think some are over priced for what they are. I am going to look around a lot more, I may be able to come up with $1,000 but that will be pushing what I am willing to spend on this AR. I am ok with not having the "best" for now. I'm not going to be doing any 3 gun matches or anything like that. It's just my first AR. With so many different mfg's of AR's out there it's understandable that there are tons of opinions on them.
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In the add it say's that they will shoot both 5.56 and .223, are these barrels like the wylde barrels or ??? I have been looking at the del-ton kits for a starter as I am a newbie. Thought you could only shoot one or the other without something being done different. Or is it a Wylde like chamber? I don't know which is which and I have been doing a lot of searching etc. but the headache after all the info lol.
http://coldhandarms.com/zencart/index.php?main_page=product_info&cPath=29&products_id=137 Thanks for any replies evilstepdad |
Don't listen to the outdated chart pointing gun snobs. 
The comment about the bolt being crap on a Delton is BS, in the past they had a bad batch of incorrect heat treat on "some" bolts and now it's a bunch of hear say wife's tales for the elitists to feed on . All Delton bolts are MP tested now. The Chrome "Kit" posted for $549 is actually a great deal, The 1/7 twist barrel is particle tested and the MP tested bolt has the upgraded extractor. The rest is going to last as long as any other AR. I would also take a hard look at Spikes AR's They are GTG and Have all the paper work to shut up the Elitist's. 
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In the add it say's that they will shoot both 5.56 and .223, are these barrels like the wylde barrels or ??? I have been looking at the del-ton kits for a starter as I am a newbie. Thought you could only shoot one or the other without something being done different. Or is it a Wylde like chamber? I don't know which is which and I have been doing a lot of searching etc. but the headache after all the info lol. http://coldhandarms.com/zencart/index.php?main_page=product_info&cPath=29&products_id=137 Thanks for any replies evilstepdad If it's chambered in 5.56x45 then it will shoot both 5.56 and .223. If it's only chambered for .223 Remington then that is all you can/should shoot in it. Seems all the DelTon kits are chambered for 5.56 so you are good. Never heard of a wylde chamber... |
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In the add it say's that they will shoot both 5.56 and .223, are these barrels like the wylde barrels or ??? I have been looking at the del-ton kits for a starter as I am a newbie. Thought you could only shoot one or the other without something being done different. Or is it a Wylde like chamber? I don't know which is which and I have been doing a lot of searching etc. but the headache after all the info lol. http://coldhandarms.com/zencart/index.php?main_page=product_info&cPath=29&products_id=137 Thanks for any replies evilstepdad I'm relatively new to the black rifle world also, but since I have asked this same question before, I will attempt to answer. From the way it was explained to me, you can run .223 in a gun chambered for the NATO 5.56, but you SHOULD NOT run 5.56 in a gun that says it is chambered for .223. The reason is that they are essentially the same dimensionally, but the 5.56 has a higher chamber pressure, or something to that effect. So, in summary, if you have a 5.56 chamber, you are GTG with either. 
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Thanks for the quick replie. I am sure it is a Wylde barrel lol but had a little touch of doubt so put chamber on there also. I really do get a headache reading all the information, there are so many things to put on or add here and there and this will work with this etc. etc. Just learned that a kit I wish they had in this range they don't, one for a 243 and in learning that I find out that it is on a different platform.
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Here's the specs on the Del-Ton upper I have. It's right off their site. I opted for chrome lined for the $45 extra. I think I paid $420 + shipping. A Bravo Co A3 upper with BCG and handguards would cost about $100 more. Then you would have to either buy a detachable carry handle or rear sight just to shoot it. Roughly another $100.
The Bravo is a better upper by far. For someone that is on a "budget" , and not going to be deployed, DTI is a good choice. 16" Pre-Ban A2 Barrel Assembly Includes 16" 1x9 twist chrome moly barrel A2 upper bolt and carrier assembly charging handle CAR handguards This barrel assembly has a 16" barrel with Heavy profile, 1x9 twist, CAR handguards with single heat shields, and A2 Flash Hider. Barrel: (Specs will change depending on option that is choosen) 4140 Chrome Moly Steel 16" Length 1X9 Twist A2 Flash Hider Manganese Phosphated Phosphated under Front Sight Base Taper Pins on A2 Front Sight Base Threaded Muzzle Heavy Profile Chamber: 5.56 X 45 mm Bolt And Carrier: Phosphated 8620 Steel Carrier Assembly Carpenter 158 Bolt Heat Treated and Plated Mil-Spec Chrome Lined Carrier Interior Carrier Key - chrome lined, attached with Grade 8 Screws Properly Staked & Sealed Gas Key Handguards: Carbine Length Aluminum Delta Ring Single Heat Shield Upper Receiver: Forged 7076 T6 Aluminum A2 Upper Hard Coat Anodized Mil-Spec Ejection Port Cover and Round Forward Assist Right Hand Ejection Bore's surface is coated with dry film lube, over the anodized surface |
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Don't listen to the outdated chart pointing gun snobs.
The comment about the bolt being crap on a Delton is BS, in the past they had a bad batch of incorrect heat treat on "some" bolts and now it's a bunch of hear say wife's tales for the elitists to feed on . All Delton bolts are MP tested now. The Chrome "Kit" posted for $549 is actually a great deal, The 1/7 twist barrel is particle tested and the MP tested bolt has the upgraded extractor. The rest is going to last as long as any other AR. I would also take a hard look at Spikes AR's They are GTG and Have all the paper work to shut up the Elitist's.
(Edit to add) The chamber should be .556 which means you can shoot both. Are they individually MPI tested or just in batches? How big are the batches? Do they test a batch everyday or like once a month? What about HPT? Is the value of HPT just on old wive's tale too? |
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We appreciate all of the opinions guys, we really do. We know there are a lot of options for you to chose from out there, some better than others, and everyone has their opinion on why the rifle they chose is better.
In saying that, there are some things that have been posted that are not quite right! We'd like to clear them up. All of our chambers are mil-spec to print. We are also using Chrome Moly Vanadium for EVERY barrel that ships out of here. Our web site hasn't been updated yet with this information, we're working on a new catalog so we haven't had a chance to update the site yet. We did have a batch of bad bolts that were not heat treated right. We've admited that, and have since changed a few things around here to ensure that wont happen again. Our quality is going up, we're working on a few new things to have some of the other features you guys want and expect now from a quality manufacturer. We try to offer the rifle and parts at a lower price point to let everyone have a chance to get one! Quality at an affordable price has always been our motto! Again, we thank you all for your orders and support! Kassandra |
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Hey DelTon and others. From the info I have gotten from my thread as well as various other places I made my decision.
Placed an order with DelTon for a 16" Mid Length 1/7 chrome lined barrel and M4 feed ramps. Ordered 5 PMags while I was at it! Thanks everyone for the optinions, when it gets here and I get a lower and have it all together, I will post a pic I can't wait for it to get here, hope it comes before Christmas. My birthday is Dec. 23rd so that would be sweet if it came then.
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