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Posted: 8/28/2010 8:20:37 AM EDT
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Hey all, Im finishing up my new 14.5" upper and al i need now is a good comp/break.
Im not sure which direction I want to go but would like to hear opinions on both. -Whats it like to shoot next to someone with one of these -How good is the recoil reduction -How big is the flash (i dont mind a fireball =]) Thanks the advice all. |
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Battlecomp works great, but the recoil impulse made my 16" middy go down and right.
The surefire breaks pop straight back, with very very little muzzle movement. I found the battlecomp recoil impulse to be counter-intuitive. It was easy to over-drive the gun, but no question I was faster back on target compared to a flash hider. If you are looking for a battle comp though, let me know 
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Quoted: Battlecomp works great, but the recoil impulse made my 16" middy go down and right. The surefire breaks pop straight back, with very very little muzzle movement. I found the battlecomp recoil impulse to be counter-intuitive. It was easy to over-drive the gun, but no question I was faster back on target compared to a flash hider. If you are looking for a battle comp though, let me know Are you 100% sure you indexed it properly if it's pushing right? It should push straight down if you lined up the logo with the bottom of the barrel. |
| I shot a fellow member's 11.5" BCM with Battle Comp and was impressed by it for sure. It seemed to have much less concussion than my FSC556 and it's the same size of an A2. I can't say much about the flash since it was mid-day when we were shooting. I'm sold on it. |
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Battlecomp works great, but the recoil impulse made my 16" middy go down and right. The surefire breaks pop straight back, with very very little muzzle movement. I found the battlecomp recoil impulse to be counter-intuitive. It was easy to over-drive the gun, but no question I was faster back on target compared to a flash hider. If you are looking for a battle comp though, let me know You selling that BC cheap? 
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I have a Surefire 556K. The gun has pretty much no recoil. But the concussion under a covered firing line ( One of the ranges I go to has plywood hanging from the roof so you have to shoot siting at a bench. The plywood is like a foot in front of the muzzle) will rattle teeth.
I'm looking at the Battlecomp for my next build. |
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I have a Surefire 556K. The gun has pretty much no recoil. But the concussion under a covered firing line ( One of the ranges I go to has plywood hanging from the roof so you have to shoot siting at a bench. The plywood is like a foot in front of the muzzle) will rattle teeth. I'm looking at the Battlecomp for my next build. I agree...the Surefire 556K brake is freaking loud and nasty...but boy does it work great for what it was designed to do! You can feel the blast wave resonating through your body if your close to someone shooting. Forget it indoors. Not exactly a friendly brake for company being around. But...run one on F/A and watch a hole get cut in the target. |
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My Battle Comp 1.0 has performed as promised. The daytime muzzle flash is negligible for me and nightime muzzle flash is not in my equation. The recoil impulse is direct and straight to the rear. While standing or sitting on the ground, there is very little horizontal and vertical movement of my red dot, as I look down range at my target. I have adjusted the BC's index point twice to achieve what I think is the proper index point.
I have used my BC equipped rig in 4 shooting sessions (625 rounds) thus far in the past 2 weeks. This morning, I am packing up only the BC equipped AR for an all day shooting session. Until I am able to get a few more BCs, my other ARs will be enjoying the darkness of my safe. |
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Any comps that don't need to be indexed? No. By definition a compensator will direct barrel gas into a specific direction to compensate for muzzle flip, usually up or to the sides. You have to index them to at least an up-down direction. If you've never done this, try installing one that just needs a crush washer. Keep in mind that crush washers are designed to be used only once. |
I have the Surefire brake and love it. I don't find the blowback annoying. In fact, I'd have a hard time telling it apart from the extended A2 on my other 14.5" carbine. I really like the Surefire brake though. Partly because it works so well and doesn't give me a concussion. Standard ear protection is more than adequate. Beyond that - I can install a Surefire 556-212.
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Hey all, Im finishing up my new 14.5" upper and al i need now is a good comp/break. Im not sure which direction I want to go but would like to hear opinions on both. -Whats it like to shoot next to someone with one of these -How good is the recoil reduction -How big is the flash (i dont mind a fireball =]) Thanks the advice all. Not to hijack, but if your bbl is 14.5", you must attach a muzzle device to it that can be pinned and welded (this is of course assuming you haven't paid a tax stamp on it). I may be mistaken, but I don't know of any muzzle brakes or comps that that can be performed on. |
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Battlecomp works great, but the recoil impulse made my 16" middy go down and right. The surefire breaks pop straight back, with very very little muzzle movement. I found the battlecomp recoil impulse to be counter-intuitive. It was easy to over-drive the gun, but no question I was faster back on target compared to a flash hider. If you are looking for a battle comp though, let me know Have you tried clocking in a different position? Some brakes and comps need to be clocked in the 1 o'clock if you're a right hand shooter. Just because thay look right clocked perfectly at the 12 o'clock, doesn't mean they'll work properly there. |
| Not to hijack but I'm glad this topic popped up. I don't have much exp. with either of these. All I got is a plain ole A2 birdcages. I was gonna ask just about this same question. I'm not really concerned with blast, I just want the recoil reduction. Like when I shoot a doubletap say at 50yds. the second shots are about 3-5in. high every time. So, would one of these two in question be what I'm looking for? Thanks for any suggestions, and thanks to the OP. |
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that made me lol it's not a SF but i've got 2 PWS FSC556's one on a 5.45 upper and one on a 5.56 upper, no flash and pretty much zero recoil |
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Quoted: Quoted: Any comps that don't need to be indexed? No. By definition a compensator will direct barrel gas into a specific direction to compensate for muzzle flip, usually up or to the sides. You have to index them to at least an up-down direction. If you've never done this, try installing one that just needs a crush washer. Keep in mind that crush washers are designed to be used only once. Darn. I saw some Noveske muzzle device that didn't look like it needed to indexed so I was hoping that was a comp or there were others like it. I dislike crush washers so It would be a peel for me. OP- Are you planning on a suppressor in the future? That might also impact your decision on what device you want. |
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Not to hijack, but if your bbl is 14.5", you must attach a muzzle device to it that can be pinned and welded (this is of course assuming you haven't paid a tax stamp on it). I may be mistaken, but I don't know of any muzzle brakes or comps that that can be performed on. Most can be pinned/welded. The Surefires and AACs are tougher to do which is why ADCO charges more but they can be done. I had a Wilson brake, FSC556, and RRA Tac brake pinned/welded to different barrels, no problems. |
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Not to hijack, but if your bbl is 14.5", you must attach a muzzle device to it that can be pinned and welded (this is of course assuming you haven't paid a tax stamp on it). I may be mistaken, but I don't know of any muzzle brakes or comps that that can be performed on. Most can be pinned/welded. The Surefires and AACs are tougher to do which is why ADCO charges more but they can be done. I had a Wilson brake, FSC556, and RRA Tac brake pinned/welded to different barrels, no problems. Good to know. |
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Quoted: Quoted: Any comps that don't need to be indexed? No. By definition a compensator will direct barrel gas into a specific direction to compensate for muzzle flip, usually up or to the sides. You have to index them to at least an up-down direction. If you've never done this, try installing one that just needs a crush washer. Keep in mind that crush washers are designed to be used only once. The indexing isn't bad at all... Just tighten it with a muzzle device wrench until it's tight and then go just a bit tighter til it's indexed properly (at least with a crush washer). |
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Any comps that don't need to be indexed? No. By definition a compensator will direct barrel gas into a specific direction to compensate for muzzle flip, usually up or to the sides. You have to index them to at least an up-down direction. If you've never done this, try installing one that just needs a crush washer. Keep in mind that crush washers are designed to be used only once. Darn. I saw some Noveske muzzle device that didn't look like it needed to indexed so I was hoping that was a comp or there were others like it. I dislike crush washers so It would be a peel for me. OP- Are you planning on a suppressor in the future? That might also impact your decision on what device you want. Yes I am planning for a supressor and yea the rifle is registered as a SBR. I decided to go with the surefire mainly because of the improved recoil reduction and zero muzzle flip as well as the ability to attach a suppressor. . Although i may get a battle comp eventually for my next SBR. But I really appreciate all the input guys. It was like choosing between owning a Lion or a bear.... |
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Gemtech HALO runs on BattleComp 1.0 Much better reputation than the Surefire's (I've heard of several blowing apart and not getting replaced by mfg.) This is interesting, can you expound on what you have heard (in regards to your SF reference), if not first-hand? |
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just do a quick google search about Surefire supressor reliability. This was listed as the 1st post I came across. http://www.iptrademarkattorney.com/false_advertising_15_usc_1125a/
Pretty much sums up what I've seen and heard. I'm sure there is something on forums everywhere about the surefire supressors as even I was interested in the shorty they came out with last year. I just prefer not to buy a stamp for something that has a reputation or even rumors of breaking... |
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just do a quick google search about Surefire supressor reliability. This was listed as the 1st post I came across. http://www.iptrademarkattorney.com/false_advertising_15_usc_1125a/ Pretty much sums up what I've seen and heard. I'm sure there is something on forums everywhere about the surefire supressors as even I was interested in the shorty they came out with last year. I just prefer not to buy a stamp for something that has a reputation or even rumors of breaking... What you referenced was only an "old" but ongoing pissing match between two good can makers. Thank you for verifying you are only regurgitating and mis-informing. |
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Quoted: Quoted: Hey all, Im finishing up my new 14.5" upper and al i need now is a good comp/break. Im not sure which direction I want to go but would like to hear opinions on both. -Whats it like to shoot next to someone with one of these -How good is the recoil reduction -How big is the flash (i dont mind a fireball =]) Thanks the advice all. Not to hijack, but if your bbl is 14.5", you must attach a muzzle device to it that can be pinned and welded (this is of course assuming you haven't paid a tax stamp on it). I may be mistaken, but I don't know of any muzzle brakes or comps that that can be performed on. That makes no sense. All it takes to pin a muzzle device is to drill a hole through the base of the device and slightly into the threads of the barrel, and drive a pin down into the hole. Why would a comp be any different than a flash hider? They are both just metal and the procedure is the same. During the ban, there were many rifle made this way (Bushmaster was prolific with their Y comp, etc.). |
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just do a quick google search about Surefire supressor reliability. This was listed as the 1st post I came across. http://www.iptrademarkattorney.com/false_advertising_15_usc_1125a/ Pretty much sums up what I've seen and heard. I'm sure there is something on forums everywhere about the surefire supressors as even I was interested in the shorty they came out with last year. I just prefer not to buy a stamp for something that has a reputation or even rumors of breaking... I'd like to see some links that would justify the googled rumors about any suppressor failing, regardless of brand. To that end, I'd love to see a photo or link to a blown apart Surefire to justify such a proclamation. And to that end, I'd love to see some proof that it wasn't some retard not seating the suppressor fully against the brake or some other amateur maneauver. That Surefire / AAC suit has nothing to do with anything beyond two companies backhanding each other to increase sales. If you recall Surefire also sued the panties off Pentagonlights. Never put a great deal of stock into internet banter. I forget where I read it, but someone out there in the internet read that suppressors turn noise into heat, and that such devices are akin to cooked pasta. If it sticks to the wall it's usually good to eat. Pick a reputable brand and choose according to your preferences to: 1. Suppression 2. Attachment 3. Weight 4. Construction 5. Overall Length 6. POI shift 7. Repeatability of POI shift 8. Cost That list drove me to the Surefire 556-212. Of course, YMMV. 
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just do a quick google search about Surefire supressor reliability. This was listed as the 1st post I came across. http://www.iptrademarkattorney.com/false_advertising_15_usc_1125a/ Pretty much sums up what I've seen and heard. I'm sure there is something on forums everywhere about the surefire supressors as even I was interested in the shorty they came out with last year. I just prefer not to buy a stamp for something that has a reputation or even rumors of breaking... What you referenced was only an "old" but ongoing pissing match between two good can makers. Thank you for verifying you are only regurgitating and mis-informing. As I stated, it is what I've seen and heard. I added the link as support in that I am not the only one who has seen this issue. If you don't like my opinions (based from my experiences), then don't take it. I've seen Surefire supressors blown apart and therefore I choose not to use them nor recommend them. That's my .02 |
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I ordered a battle comp 1.0 over a week ago(aug22) on the 23 received an e-mail with the invoice, one week later it hasn't even shipped out.  Call the guy...they're really good people. I did... I left a message @ 2pm, and they called me back @ 5:20pm, the gentleman that called me explained what happened and why my battlecomp was not shipped right away, but assured me that it was shipped out that morning and that I should have it by Thursday... and you are right, they are very nice people, the guy treated me like if I was buying the Queen-Marry!! |
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For the OP, the SF 556K brake works really well. I am going to try the BC also, but I don't expect it to perform as well as the SF in terms of muzzle jump/rise/movement. Reduced noise and flash signature with the BC is what I'm expecting.
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just do a quick google search about Surefire supressor reliability. This was listed as the 1st post I came across. http://www.iptrademarkattorney.com/false_advertising_15_usc_1125a/ Pretty much sums up what I've seen and heard. I'm sure there is something on forums everywhere about the surefire supressors as even I was interested in the shorty they came out with last year. I just prefer not to buy a stamp for something that has a reputation or even rumors of breaking... What you referenced was only an "old" but ongoing pissing match between two good can makers. Thank you for verifying you are only regurgitating and mis-informing. As I stated, it is what I've seen and heard. I added the link as support in that I am not the only one who has seen this issue. If you don't like my opinions (based from my experiences), then don't take it. I've seen Surefire supressors blown apart and therefore I choose not to use them nor recommend them. That's my .02 Ok, now you claim having seen a surefire supressor "blown apart" (why didn't you say that in the first place?), but only posted a weak-ass google reference to a non-related legal-dispute. Can you elaborate on what caused the "blown apart" and provide some more insight as to "I am not the only one who has seen this issue"? |
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I simply stated our background in military SO and our current profession (DoS, DoD, & LE instructors), during which we've seen and used a few supressors in our time. We have seen, and heard of, several Surefire Mini supressors blown apart due to the lack of full welds within the supressor. I don't know if this has been fixed, and judging from Surefire's other excellent products, it may have. We, however, will not risk the stamp and paperwork on something that has rumors of being less than indestructable. We prefer to stick with KAC and Gemtech supressors, although there are other quality supressors out there, due to our experience with them and their solid reputations.
*please excuse the temporary thread hijack* To tie this in with the OP, I run the Battle Comp 1.0 over a Surefire brake due to the fact that the GemTech HALO is compatable with the BC and I do not prefer the Surefire cans, in addition to the performance of the Battle Comp. |
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