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Posted: 6/11/2010 11:53:13 AM EDT
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Hi u all,
Just bought a super nice lower labeled "lewis Machine Tool" looks super good and at a decent price. At the same time I was looking at uppers and noticed a nice Saber Defense that I was almost ready to get that too BUT when the salesman told me how much it was $1G easy I dropped it like a hot potato. WHY is Saber Defense uppers so expensive comapred to the others??????? Impala |
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I know recently I've seen complete Sabre rifles at some local gun shows for around $1100. Their uppers on the web site do have a ridiculously high MSRP.
Get a Bravo Company (BCM) upper. One of the best at great prices. It'll go well with that LMT lower. http://www.bravocompanyusa.com/BCM-AR15-Upper-Receiver-Group-AR15-s/118.htm Or you can get an LMT upper from BCM as well and make your rifle all LMT http://www.bravocompanyusa.com/LMT-AR15-Upper-Receiver-Group-AR15-s/119.htm Here's one I put together with LMT lower and LMT 14.5" upper with permanently attached extended FH. LMT is still one of the top tier ARs IMHO (though I'd order the BCM bolt carrier group for it). 
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Hi Guys,
Thanks for your replies. I had thought their MSRP was so high due to the fact that since they are from the UK it was all due to import tax only. Reagrdless, You won't catch me spending that kind of money soely on just the upper alone!!!!! For sure I'll take a harder look into BCM and decide afterwards. I 'm not in a rush. Impala |
| My Sabre Defense Lower was made in Nashville TN, didn't cost any more at retail than a DPMS or most other brand lowers - $109 at the local shop. I didn't know they made anything in the UK, I thought all of their products came from Nashville. Also, for what it's worth, the lower is nothing special, in fact it has a pronounced area at the front outside edge of the magwell, in the center that wasn't machined off properly. |
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its a botique manufacturer very high QC top materials very tight tolerances. I do not own one but the ones I have handled fit that bill The idea is to get max quality for price thats why so many here swear by BCM & Spikes they do this. They still use commercial reciever extensions. The tollorances should be no tighter than spec otherwise you would have problems. This is why all US military rifles are built using Colt's TDP. That way you are assured that a lower built 30 years ago will fit an upper built yesterday and vice versa. |
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its a botique manufacturer very high QC top materials very tight tolerances. I do not own one but the ones I have handled fit that bill The idea is to get max quality for price thats why so many here swear by BCM & Spikes they do this. They still use commercial reciever extensions. The tollorances should be no tighter than spec otherwise you would have problems. This is why all US military rifles are built using Colt's TDP. That way you are assured that a lower built 30 years ago will fit an upper built yesterday and vice versa. "Tight fit" and "tight tolerances" are two different things. Tolerance refers to the amount that dimensions in the finished product can vary from the way the product was supposed to be. Tight or small tolerances mean the finished products' dimensions will not vary a whole lot from one to the next. Larger or looser tolerances mean the finished products' dimensions may vary more from one to the next. A receiver built with looser or larger tolerances can create a super tight fitting or a super loose fitting receiver. This is how I understand it. |
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its a botique manufacturer very high QC top materials very tight tolerances. I do not own one but the ones I have handled fit that bill The idea is to get max quality for price thats why so many here swear by BCM & Spikes they do this. They still use commercial reciever extensions. The tollorances should be no tighter than spec otherwise you would have problems. This is why all US military rifles are built using Colt's TDP. That way you are assured that a lower built 30 years ago will fit an upper built yesterday and vice versa. "Tight fit" and "tight tolerances" are two different things. Tolerance refers to the amount that dimensions in the finished product can vary from the way the product was supposed to be. Tight or small tolerances mean the finished products' dimensions will not vary a whole lot from one to the next. Larger or looser tolerances mean the finished products' dimensions may vary more from one to the next. A receiver built with looser or larger tolerances can create a super tight fitting or a super loose fitting receiver. This is how I understand it. Maybe I mistook what he was trying to say then. |
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its a botique manufacturer very high QC top materials very tight tolerances. I do not own one but the ones I have handled fit that bill The idea is to get max quality for price thats why so many here swear by BCM & Spikes they do this. They still use commercial reciever extensions. The tollorances should be no tighter than spec otherwise you would have problems. This is why all US military rifles are built using Colt's TDP. That way you are assured that a lower built 30 years ago will fit an upper built yesterday and vice versa. "Tight fit" and "tight tolerances" are two different things. Tolerance refers to the amount that dimensions in the finished product can vary from the way the product was supposed to be. Tight or small tolerances mean the finished products' dimensions will not vary a whole lot from one to the next. Larger or looser tolerances mean the finished products' dimensions may vary more from one to the next. A receiver built with looser or larger tolerances can create a super tight fitting or a super loose fitting receiver. This is how I understand it. Maybe I mistook what he was trying to say then. Ah, I see what you were referring to. That makes sense about not wanting receivers that are made too tight. That definitely would suck putting a brand spanking new upper on your old pre-ban or registered lower and finding that they are too damn tight to even fit together. Posted Via AR15.Com Mobile |
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its a botique manufacturer very high QC top materials very tight tolerances. I do not own one but the ones I have handled fit that bill The idea is to get max quality for price thats why so many here swear by BCM & Spikes they do this. They still use commercial reciever extensions. The tollorances should be no tighter than spec otherwise you would have problems. This is why all US military rifles are built using Colt's TDP. That way you are assured that a lower built 30 years ago will fit an upper built yesterday and vice versa. "Tight fit" and "tight tolerances" are two different things. Tolerance refers to the amount that dimensions in the finished product can vary from the way the product was supposed to be. Tight or small tolerances mean the finished products' dimensions will not vary a whole lot from one to the next. Larger or looser tolerances mean the finished products' dimensions may vary more from one to the next. A receiver built with looser or larger tolerances can create a super tight fitting or a super loose fitting receiver. This is how I understand it. Maybe I mistook what he was trying to say then. Ah, I see what you were referring to. That makes sense about not wanting receivers that are made too tight. That definitely would suck putting a brand spanking new upper on your old pre-ban or registered lower and finding that they are too damn tight to even fit together. Posted Via AR15.Com Mobile That's the problem with a lot of manufacturers. The only true dimensional standard is contained in the TDP. You will find variation in the commercial market that can lead to uppers and lowers not fitting. That's why a solid standard is laid out for military production. That way whoever manufactures M16s and M4s (Colt, FN, Sabre, whoever else may land a contract) will be putting out a product that is dimensionally correct and interchangeable with all past products and all future products. |
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I know recently I've seen complete Sabre rifles at some local gun shows for around $1100. Their uppers on the web site do have a ridiculously high MSRP. Get a Bravo Company (BCM) upper. One of the best at great prices. It'll go well with that LMT lower. http://www.bravocompanyusa.com/BCM-AR15-Upper-Receiver-Group-AR15-s/118.htm Or you can get an LMT upper from BCM as well and make your rifle all LMT http://www.bravocompanyusa.com/LMT-AR15-Upper-Receiver-Group-AR15-s/119.htm Here's one I put together with LMT lower and LMT 14.5" upper with permanently attached extended FH. LMT is still one of the top tier ARs IMHO (though I'd order the BCM bolt carrier group for it). http://i22.photobucket.com/albums/b328/jcrowl/000_0432.jpg http://i22.photobucket.com/albums/b328/jcrowl/000_0433.jpg +1 Go LMT on LMT. |
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I got you but you could always get a LMT upper and put any rail system basically the same thing BCM is doing he has basic uppers and then puts on the most common rails. I bought an LMT upper last Oct from BCM and stuck a Troy rail on it came out nice. REDX, Thank your again for your reply. I'm currently still not sure and not in a super rush to blow my money. You know how it is..... moneys tight and here in California who know if anyone will have a job tomorrow. Impala 
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I have a Sabre M5 and a BCM SS410 middy upper and while the BCM is nice the fit and finish on the Sabre are better.
I know it doesn't matter function wise but the BCM upper has a blem on the forward assist protrusion from the upper while the Sabre is perfect. Also, where the mag release channel is at in the upper is narrower on the BCM upper and it doesn't match the width on any lower I have (Spikes, Essential Arms) and it just looks goofy. Again, I know it doesn't matter for function. What is really weird is that the upper I purchased by itself from BCM doesn't have either of those traits as compared to the complete upper 
I will still always buy BCM as I think you do get more for your $$ but I like the Sabre uppers. |
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its a botique manufacturer SDI is not what I would consider a "boutique" manufacturer. CMMG, BCM and Spikes are boutique manufacturers CMMG is "boutique?" I would say that title is more for Noveske and LaRue. I guess it depends on how you want to define the term "boutique"? For me, it's a term that I typically applied to dealers, not manufactrers. I do not consider brands like CMMG, BCM and Spikes as manufactures because as I understand it, they make very little (if any?) of their own products. The products they sell with their name on it are typically made (in part if not completely) by other companies to the specs the dealers dictate. Companies like CMMG, BCM and Spikes are dealers first and foremost who are clearly geared toward a very specific market. Companies like that are to me the very definiation of "boutique" dealers Now I guess when your product line is limited to a very specific market, you can be a boutique manufacturer? I guess that term could apply to a company like LaRue or DD (not so much IMO) but maybe a companiy like Noveske (I can see that)? Either way, in no way, shape or form is SDI a boutique anything. |
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Hi guys/gals, For now no matter what I decide to finally purchase I'm looking for something that'll be in the eight to nine hundred range. That means I'll wait for a show or wait for Christmas time as what I might want would be on sale. I'm not in a rush cuz I already have a new rifle that's been sitting around gathering dust cuz two years ago my favorite shooting range was closed down due to a developer across the street trying to get them ou so he can build on the property. Inland Fish and Game shooting range I heard is suppose to re-open in about two months but so far everyone's been pretty silent. That's why I'm not in a rush as all I can do is wait. Frst things first. Impala |
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Quoted: Shop likely has it at MSRP. Sounds high, but they aren't really a "big" name company. Go with a BCM, be happy. They supply rifles, barrels, and parts to the U.S. military. I'd say that's pretty "big" name company. Just because ARFCOM doesn't jerk off to a brand doesn't mean it isn't one of the best you can buy. All of the Sabre barreled rifles I have owned/shot/seen were exceedingly accurate for what they were. I would place them with Colt in the quality department. |
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i just got a sabre middy upper , 1/7 barrel with a 12'' yhm ff diamond spector fore end dor $599 from PK firearms . you got a sabre barrel, a rock river bolt and probably a cmt upper assembled by pk. a decent upper ,(though i would swap out the BCG), but not a sabre upper. i'll agree that sabre uppers are outrageously over priced. they do make some of the best barrels in the business though. |
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i just got a sabre middy upper , 1/7 barrel with a 12'' yhm ff diamond spector fore end dor $599 from PK firearms . you got a sabre barrel, a rock river bolt and probably a cmt upper assembled by pk. a decent upper ,(though i would swap out the BCG), but not a sabre upper. i'll agree that sabre uppers are outrageously over priced. they do make some of the best barrels in the business though. polymorpheous, If machines make the barrels and all the manufacturers use the same material/steel what is considered a good barrel from one company to the next. I know their are two processes in makeing the lands. If you talking about longetvity then in that case how fast can you guys burn through a barrel???? That's allot of rounds and I don't know anyone that has pockets that deep. Still it appears my issue is mainly the handguard as that appears to be the most expensive part. Impala |
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Bravo co and lmt are by far my favorites and since you have a lmt lower why not put a lmt upper on your lower. A LMT upper is about $500 and a BCG is about $150, go with a gunfighter charging handle from BCM $50 and then add the rail and buis you like . fullautom16, Thanks for your posting. Let me look into this later on since I'm back working. Impala |
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