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Posted: 3/1/2010 12:48:52 PM EDT
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I have heard people saying that they are not happy with the quality of DPMS. I am thinking of buying on of their uppers. I will be using the rifle for coyote and predator huting.
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Every manufacturer will have lemons. DPMS is gtg in my books. I've used both the uppers and lower and have not have any complaints. It has done everything I've asked it to do. Fit and finish is satisfactory. Most DPMS barrels will be chrome-moly, not chromed lined. |
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I have a DPMS stnls bull brl upper that i bought specifically for coyotes, prairie dogs etc it shoots lights out and i couldn't be happier with it. That said i wouldn't buy one of their uppers for a self defense rifle to many reported cases of premature bolt failure with pics imo. |
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warpig8654, see it's these comments that I read with no real explanation. Why do you post such a comment? I really want to know. If I'm gonna drop 400-600 on an upper, I want to know I can depend on the quality. Because DPMS is no where near "just as good as a Colt." |
| While I agree that DPMS is no Colt, BCM, Noveske or the like, I will say that i owned one of their 11.5" uppers and that thing ran great. no failures of any kind with about 3000 through it. The anodizing was good, all was within spec and it was darn accurate for a short barrel. If you using it for Coyotes you will be happy with it. No doubt. |
| I have owned, own, or have used most brands out there (BCM, Colt, DPMS, Noveske, KAC, S&W, Stag, LMT, Spikes, RRA, and Bushmaster). In my experience/opinion a DPMS (I used to own a panther lite) is a decent rifle that will work for most people but anyone is kidding themselves if they think it's at the level of some of the others. I'm not going to go into all the reasons because they have been hashed out a billions times already and are easily found by searching. Start by reading "what parts break in a carbine course" at the top (or find info from any reputable instructor) and then do a little searching into what quality control steps are used by each company as well as the quality of materials they use. You will quickly find that not all ARs are created equal. Will a DPMS work for most? probably. Are they as good as some of the others? absolutely not. People who use the "just as good as" argument are usually justifying the purchase they made before they knew better. I don't know about you or other people around here, but I would rather listen to those with immense knowledge/experience (Pat Rogers, John Noveske, Paul Buffoni, Larry Vickers, Stickman, USMC03, Lancelot, Cold, new-arguy, molon, etc) rather than the weekend warrior every time. |
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I started out with a DPMS rifle. Put 2K+ through it in less then a year &I never had a problem. Always worked for me. It's a fine starter rifle to learn on. Yeah it's not a colt or bcm, but for most people it isn't going to matter. The fit & finish & quailty was just fine.
Yes I did sell it. Yes I have a BCM/LMT setup for a main AR. But I have a bushmaster & another DPMS HBAR upper I use sometimes. Keep in mind that parts can be upgraded if needed. |
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getting ready for the fanboy war in .............................. 3 2 1..................
Every manufacturer will have lemons. DPMS is gtg in my books. I've used both the uppers and lower and have not have any complaints. It has done everything I've asked it to do. Fit and finish is satisfactory. Most DPMS barrels will be chrome-moly, not chromed lined. It's not a fanboy thing colts are made with higher grade steel. Think of it as Snap on tools vr sears brand 
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getting ready for the fanboy war in .............................. 3 2 1..................
Every manufacturer will have lemons. DPMS is gtg in my books. I've used both the uppers and lower and have not have any complaints. It has done everything I've asked it to do. Fit and finish is satisfactory. Most DPMS barrels will be chrome-moly, not chromed lined. It's not a fanboy thing colts are made with higher grade steel. Think of it as Snap on tools vr sears brand
So your saying snap on is better than craftsman hahah hes trying to start another war 
Seriously i want to see some one do test dpms vs colt vs bcm vs noveske vs whoever lets see it. Whos got the money i dont or i would do it haha |
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Everyone knows you have to have the latest gee-whiz Operator approved gadgets to hunt coyotes, shoot at the range and the like.
I mean, damn, when you leave Mom's basement, you never know when Hadji and/or Pat Rogers will be there to test your gear. Take it from the former SeALs and hardcore operators that make up 98% of the membership on this site - if you spend less than $3000 on your rig (base model, no accessories) and don't put 90 lbs of tactical shit on it, you're endangering not only your life but the lives of those around you. Fucking noob... 
(The DPMS will be fine for what you need) |
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..Every manufacturer will have lemons. ... Not every manufacture has put out a half dozen rifles to the same SWAT team and have every single one of them fail during a 3 day carbine course. For precision / low firing cycle rifle I have no problem with DPMS. For a hard use 3-gun, defensive, or duty weapon I look to other manufactures. |
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getting ready for the fanboy war in .............................. 3 2 1..................
Every manufacturer will have lemons. DPMS is gtg in my books. I've used both the uppers and lower and have not have any complaints. It has done everything I've asked it to do. Fit and finish is satisfactory. Most DPMS barrels will be chrome-moly, not chromed lined. It's not a fanboy thing colts are made with higher grade steel. Think of it as Snap on tools vr sears brand
So your saying snap on is better than craftsman hahah hes trying to start another war
Seriously i want to see some one do test dpms vs colt vs bcm vs noveske vs whoever lets see it. Whos got the money i dont or i would do it haha Slow down and read my post slower I said SEARS were did you see Craftsman My point was There are higer grade metals used in the colts then in the other brand. I do not own any colt produts.
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..Every manufacturer will have lemons. ... Not every manufacture has put out a half dozen rifles to the same SWAT team and have every single one of them fail during a 3 day carbine course. For precision / low firing cycle rifle I have no problem with DPMS. For a hard use 3-gun, defensive, or duty weapon I look to other manufactures. This. I've got a DPMS bull barreled upper and for the money it's damn accurate and has fired every time I've pulled the trigger. Even took a deer with it this last season. That being said I would look elsewhere if you are going to be trusting your life to this weapon at any point in time... Since this doesn't seem to be your case I'd say DPMS is gtg for you. |
| Reality is, DPMS is a great rifle for the average guy. I know, I have one and would buy on again. It has gone bang every time I pulled the trigger. No jams, ftf, fte, nothing. However, is it on the same tier as a colt, bcm, etc...no. A mustang is a really nice car, but it just does not compare to a Ferrari......... |
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I am not hypercritical of DPMS at all nor am I a fanboy of XYZ equipment when I say that you can do alot better for the money in this economy than DPMS. Fact is that DPMS makes good stainless and chrome moly barrels(non chrome lined barrels), There barrels are accurate but their receivers upper and lower are not of the same hardness, tight tolerences, or dark deep finish that other makers have incorporated into their parts through better QC. Fact is a DPMS lower will not match up with any other upper receiver finish wise. Additionally, while I have never had a problem with installing a DPMS LPK a boat load of others have.
For Uppers in your price range I would look at Stag, Bushmaster, RRA, CMMG, Doublestar etc.. DPMS also does not offer to my knowledge a stainless barrel with a Wylde Chamber that will allow you to reload using 5.56 Nato Cases without worry of excessive pressure. Another option is to buy the components and have your upper built for you. My recent 20" build included the following and could be used for hunting. Buy the parts one or two at a time. Try substituting a regular free float rail $50 for the diamond series rail and go with a forged CH $20.00. You can have a gunsmith put together a nice rig for you for $50-60 for the install 20" YHM HBAR 1:7 Twist Chrome Lined $200.00 YHM Upper Receiver with M4Cuts $96.00 YHM Diamond Series Rail $130.00 YHM Single Rail Gas Block $50 Gas Tube $12 Daniel Defense Auto BCG $140 Bravo Gunfighter CH $45 |
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dark deep finish that other makers have incorporated into their parts through better QC. Fact is a DPMS lower will not match up with any other upper receiver finish wise
That is not true. I split my complete DPMS rifle up & used the upper & lower for different things for a time. The lower matched well with the BCM uppers.The BCM uppers are darker finished then almost all lowers out there & do not match. Also matched well with a colt lower & a Bushmaster. My BCM upper on the other hands mismatches pretty much any lower I've tried it on. |
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I remembered when I first came to AR15.com, DPMS in hand. I remember thinking "why is everyone picking on my DPMS? The fit and finish looks just like every other AR. It has functioned perfectly every range trip". I even got the cold shoulder from the guys at the local gun store. It was like my DPMS had some kind of cooties. From day one I fought the fight. I got on every DPMS bashing thread to defend my rifle. I'd go out and shoot the shit out of it come home and argue some more. I put almost 700 rounds through it in one afternoon to prove to myself that it could make it through a carbine class. In total I put somewhere around 2000 rounds through it with only one problem, a blown primer from shooting M855. During this time I spent many hours on ARFCOM reading and learning about ARs. What makes a good one good and a bad one bad. What parts break / wear out and why. I learned about the difference between .223 & 5.56 and why the chamber in my DPMS wasn't a true NATO chamber. I learned about all the things I should have on a SHTF rifle that my DPMS didn't, like a chrome lined barrel, NATO chamber, MP bolt, etc. So I sold it. The truth is that the day I bought my DPMS, it was my first AR. I had just got a $1000 bonus at work and happened to drive by a local gun shop and stopped in. Next thing I know I'm on the way home with a new rifle. I knew zero about it. I was online looking for a maintenance guide when I stumbled upon AR15.com. A DPMS is a good starter rifle, but it is not it the same ball park as a Colt or other top tier AR. They might look the same, but are not created the same. If I knew then what I know now I would have added a couple hundred more bucks and bought a better AR right from the start. We all have to live and learn. I wish there wasn't as much bashing around here, regardless of rifle type we are all black rifle lovers! Any AR is better than no AR! Here is the M4 CHART this is a great reference as to the good and bad of AR manufacturers. |
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First I was like then I was like
I remembered when I first came to AR15.com, DPMS in hand. I remember thinking "why is everyone picking on my DPMS? The fit and finish looks just like every other AR. It has functioned perfectly every range trip". I even got the cold shoulder from the guys at the local gun store. It was like my DPMS had some kind of cooties. From day one I fought the fight. I got on every DPMS bashing thread to defend my rifle. I'd go out and shoot the shit out of it come home and argue some more. I put almost 700 rounds through it in one afternoon to prove to myself that it could make it through a carbine class. In total I put somewhere around 2000 rounds through it with only one problem, a blown primer from shooting M855. During this time I spent many hours on ARFCOM reading and learning about ARs. What makes a good one good and a bad one bad. What parts break / wear out and why. I learned about the difference between .223 & 5.56 and why the chamber in my DPMS wasn't a true NATO chamber. I learned about all the things I should have on a SHTF rifle that my DPMS didn't, like a chrome lined barrel, NATO chamber, MP bolt, etc. So I sold it. The truth is that the day I bought my DPMS, it was my first AR. I had just got a $1000 bonus at work and happened to drive by a local gun shop and stopped in. Next thing I know I'm on the way home with a new rifle. I knew zero about it. I was online looking for a maintenance guide when I stumbled upon AR15.com. A DPMS is a good starter rifle, but it is not it the same ball park as a Colt or other top tier AR. They might look the same, but are not created the same. If I knew then what I know now I would have added a couple hundred more bucks and bought a better AR right from the start. We all have to live and learn. I wish there wasn't as much bashing around here, regardless of rifle type we are all black rifle lovers! Any AR is better than no AR! Here is the M4 CHART this is a great reference as to the good and bad of AR manufacturers. That M4 Chart pretty much says it all. |
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I have heard people saying that they are not happy with the quality of DPMS. I am thinking of buying on of their uppers. I will be using the rifle for coyote and predator huting. Thanks I have two 24" Varmint models and I have no issues with them. I got them for shooting prairie dogs and paper. I reload 40 grain vmax for critters and 52 grain Zia for shooting paper. Adrian |
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Guess what brand this AR was...................... http://img20.imageshack.us/img20/3553/p1010002wr.jpg In all fairness I don't know the details, so as far as I know I could have been caused by the ammo, but the rifle is a DPMS. Well.....looks like the charging handle is still good.  In all seriousness, like the poster above me stated, bad ammo can destroy any brand of AR.
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Guess what brand this AR was...................... http://img20.imageshack.us/img20/3553/p1010002wr.jpg In all fairness I don't know the details, so as far as I know I could have been caused by the ammo, but the rifle is a DPMS. Seriously dude? This is a Colt kaboom: 
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Guess what brand this AR was...................... http://img20.imageshack.us/img20/3553/p1010002wr.jpg In all fairness I don't know the details, so as far as I know I could have been caused by the ammo, but the rifle is a DPMS. Seriously dude? This is a Colt kaboom: http://i45.tinypic.com/v5ej3b.jpg Both were probably ammo related. |
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