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2/28/2010 10:11:04 AM EDT
what would cause my lmt to fail to extract a round.  It is a piston gun and the bolt is being driven backward, but the bullet is not being extracted
2/28/2010 10:12:46 AM EDT
[#1]
Broken extractor?
2/28/2010 10:15:55 AM EDT
[#2]
very new to ar's.  Is there anything externally visible that would show or does it have to be taken apart.  The gun has less that 10 rounds through it.
2/28/2010 10:16:12 AM EDT
[#3]
Could be a lot of things, you need to provide more info.  What kind of ammo, or combination of ammo were you shooting (i.e. brass or steel cased)?  Is your chamber clean?  Does the extractor spring have good tension?  What length barrel and gas system do you have?  Is the extractor claw worn?  What do the rims on the casings that didn't extract look like?
2/28/2010 10:26:46 AM EDT
[#4]
Quoted:
very new to ar's.  Is there anything externally visible that would show or does it have to be taken apart.  The gun has less that 10 rounds through it.


take a picture of your bolt face from different angles and post it.

it could be that your rifle needs to be broken in a bit.
2/28/2010 10:27:45 AM EDT
[#5]
the gun is brand new.  I am not at the range with the gun.  My buddy is.  He just called and said when he took the bolt out a spring fell out.  I am assuming that it is the extractor spring?
2/28/2010 10:50:07 AM EDT
[#6]
After you get your gun back, post some photos.  LMT test fires all of their rifles and uppers.  Definitely odd for something like this to happen after a few rounds.
2/28/2010 10:51:50 AM EDT
[#7]
Double post, sorry
2/28/2010 11:04:30 AM EDT
[#8]
how do i post pics?  Do they have to be hosted or can I just upload them?
2/28/2010 11:09:31 AM EDT
[#9]
Did you buy a complete gun or just the piston upper?  Because your supposed to run an H2 buffer with the LMT piston guns.  If you bought a complete upper  by itself, they come with carbine buffers.
2/28/2010 11:11:33 AM EDT
[#10]
Quoted:
the gun is brand new.  I am not at the range with the gun.  My buddy is.  He just called and said when he took the bolt out a spring fell out.  I am assuming that it is the extractor spring?


 You let your buddy take it to the range for the first time?
2/28/2010 11:14:24 AM EDT
[#11]
Quoted:
the gun is brand new.  I am not at the range with the gun.  My buddy is.  He just called and said when he took the bolt out a spring fell out.  I am assuming that it is the extractor spring?


You really need to educate yourself and your buddy about your gun before you just take it out and shoot.  Did you properly field strip, clean, inspect, function test, and lubricate the rifle prior to shooting it?
2/28/2010 12:19:10 PM EDT
[#12]
Quoted:
Quoted:
the gun is brand new.  I am not at the range with the gun.  My buddy is.  He just called and said when he took the bolt out a spring fell out.  I am assuming that it is the extractor spring?


You really need to educate yourself and your buddy about your gun before you just take it out and shoot.  Did you properly field strip, clean, inspect, function test, and lubricate the rifle prior to shooting it?


THIS.

LMT test fires before they leave the plant.

All of our LMTs purr like kittens.

My personally owned CQB MRP has never had any sort of failure.
2/28/2010 2:55:11 PM EDT
[#13]
I let him take his to the range for the first time.  I have the same gun.  Turns out the ejector roll pin either broke or fell out.  When he took the bolt carrier out of the gun the ejector plunger and spring fell out.
2/28/2010 4:16:25 PM EDT
[#14]
Quoted:
how do i post pics?  Do they have to be hosted or can I just upload them?


you have to put your pics on a website, I use photobucket.



Your friend broke your gun?  
2/28/2010 4:18:56 PM EDT
[#15]
Quoted:
I let him take his to the range for the first time.  I have the same gun.  Turns out the ejector roll pin either broke or fell out.  When he took the bolt carrier out of the gun the ejector plunger and spring fell out.


What do you mean "you let him take his to the range"???  This thread is weird.  So you're saying this was brand new LMT bolt?
2/28/2010 5:11:26 PM EDT
[#16]
First you say your gun didn't extract, then you say your friend's gun didn't extract.



Let's see...




No pics-check

Low post count-check

Changing story-check

Bashing well known manufacturer-check







2/28/2010 5:13:36 PM EDT
[#17]
Quoted:
First you say your gun didn't extract, then you say your friend's gun didn't extract.

Let's see...

No pics-check
Low post count-check
Changing story-check
Bashing well known manufacturer-check




I think you may be onto something, I just didn't want to be the first to say it.
2/28/2010 7:57:19 PM EDT
[#18]
Alright here is the real story.  I am not bashing LMT  I personally have an MRP CQB that has run flawlessly for many hundreds of rounds.  I talked my buddy into buying one last week.  He shot the gun two times at work and put it up.  He took HIS gun not MY gun to the range today and that is when he had the problem.  I was at home on this site when he called.  I tried to hurry up and post a thread to try to get some ideas of what could be causing the problem without the gun in my hands.  Obviously not a good idea, but I have been around this site for long enough to know that most of the information I read here is good. I am trying to figure out how to post pics so I can show off my bad ass LMT.   I don't know what is worse, asking questions about something that you don't understand, or having to explain myself to a bunch of grown ass men who were obviously born knowing everything.
2/28/2010 7:59:34 PM EDT
[#19]
Where are you in TN, I want to be your buddy.
2/28/2010 7:59:42 PM EDT
[#20]
And I love the post that says the gun is failing to extract because it needs to be broken in!!!!!!!!!!!
2/28/2010 8:05:41 PM EDT
[#21]
Quoted:
Alright here is the real story.  I am not bashing LMT  I personally have an MRP CQB that has run flawlessly for many hundreds of rounds.  I talked my buddy into buying one last week.  He shot the gun two times at work and put it up.  He took HIS gun not MY gun to the range today and that is when he had the problem.  I was at home on this site when he called.  I tried to hurry up and post a thread to try to get some ideas of what could be causing the problem without the gun in my hands.  Obviously not a good idea, but I have been around this site for long enough to know that most of the information I read here is good. I am trying to figure out how to post pics so I can show off my bad ass LMT.   I don't know what is worse, asking questions about something that you don't understand, or having to explain myself to a bunch of grown ass men who were obviously born knowing everything.

Quoted:
very new to ar's.  Is there anything externally visible that would show or does it have to be taken apart.  The gun has less that 10 rounds through it.




Wait. You now said you have fired a couple of hundreds rounds on [Your] LMT MRP so you do know something about it. You're aren't a newbie anymore like you claim in the 3rd post. When I fired my 1st AR(S&W MP15) for the 1st time ever last year, I knew pretty much how an AR works after that.

This story is getting strange by the minute.

edit: Average U.S. military units fires about 600 rds a year. So several hundreds of rounds is quite a bit.
2/28/2010 8:06:41 PM EDT
[#22]
To post pics...



Host your image on photobucket, flickr, imageshak, ect...



Click reply



locate this button at the top
 It is actually just one but this site saves it as 5 images, you will see the one I speak of.



In the pop up box in the "Source" line put the direct link (url/address) to the image (dont use the one with [img] on the ends)



Click the insert button at the bottom of the box.


3/1/2010 1:24:56 AM EDT
[#23]




Quoted:

And I love the post that says the gun is failing to extract because it needs to be broken in!!!!!!!!!!!




But you know better...right?
3/1/2010 2:06:09 AM EDT
[#24]
Just another possible reason.

Assuming the bolt is not falling apart on you....

Often failures to extract are caused by what is known as poor rifle timing. This means the rifle unlocks a bit early while the pressures are still to high. The high pressures cause the case to stick in the chamber quite solidly. As the extractor tries to remove the case it bends the case rim and sometimes even slips off. This can cause failure to extract. Over time this also can cause a broken extractor. In fact, I believe poorly timed rifles cause the majority of broken extractors. To check if your / your friends rifle (I can't really keep track ) has this problem look for bent rims on the bottom of the spent casings.

The fix: If your rifle is having problems with timing and trying to extract early add a heavier buffer or add weight to your existing buffer to make it heavier. This will change the timing and in almost all cases fix the problem.

Also, ignore the folks that jump on your back and accuse you of all manner of misfeasance and malfeasance. There is no point addressing them or defending yourself. Simply read on. Eventually you will find helpful folks. I have learned much from such folks here on this forum.
3/1/2010 6:30:58 AM EDT
[#25]
it was probably caused by a MIM gas key––––––––––––––––––––––––[sorry,,, couldn't resist]
3/1/2010 8:22:58 AM EDT
[#26]
Quoted:
it was probably caused by a MIM gas key––––––––––––––––––––––––[sorry,,, couldn't resist]


damn, you beat me to it

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