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Posted: 11/23/2009 7:57:54 AM EDT
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Has anyone ever thought of how Stock prices are out of hand? Sopmods for over 250? CTR's for over 100? UBR's for over 250? damn, i can go to Wal Mart right now and buy a microwave oven right now for 89 bucks!
http://www.walmart.com/Ge-Countertop-Microwave-Oven-Jes1142Sj/ip/3601548 (not a bad microwave by the way  )
i know there is a limited market, development costs, but come on, we are talking about a piece of injection molded plastic. this is pure hosing because people think these items are so cool they must have them at all cost, so the manufacturers are there to assist ...at all cost. So until Magpul can make a AMLMS (advanced microwave lunch making stock) i am done dreaming i can afford or want these items. that being said....anyone have a magpul ACS kit a guy who cant even afford to pay attention can have 
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I agree to a certain point they are overpriced, although I think the Magpul MOE as a pretty good deal at under $60 bucks. Where the fun begins is adding a hole on each side and 1 inch plastic lever "friction lock" costs you another $40 bucks.
That said.. I went with the CTR for those exact reasons.
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I agree to a certain point they are overpriced, althought I see the Magpul MOE as a pretty good deal. Where the fun begins is that a QD hole on each side and plastic lever "friction lock" cost you another $40 bucks. That said.. I went with the CTR for those exact reasons. see!! you think the MOE is a good deal because they sticker shocked you with the others!!! its a marketing ploy! Cost to make MOE....$5.67 Heck, my kids airhogs helicopter which i can fly around the living room only cost $29 
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| Its worth what someone is willing to pay for. If you were in business, and shocking, I know, looking to make a profit, would you A. sell an item for $15 because it only costs you $7 in parts and labor to produce, or would you B. sell it for $55 because that is what the market will bear? |
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Well you know an $89 microwave is a basic model and you can pay a whole lot more for a Tier 1 model. Either probably does the job but some will pay a lot more to get a product they believe will do it better and more reliably. Same with almost anything - say a car, Blu-Ray player, HDTV or even an AR. Most of us will kick in extra bucks if we think a higher end product is worth it.
Anyway, a basic AR stock including receiver extension and buffer can be had for $70 or so and works very well thank you! I'm happy with mine which was picked up used from a friend who upgraded. Does the job just fine so I figured why not put the money in the upper where it really can make a difference. |
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Its worth what someone is willing to pay for. If you were in business, and shocking, I know, looking to make a profit, would you A. sell an item for $15 because it only costs you $7 in parts and labor to produce, or would you B. sell it for $55 because that is what the market will bear? oh very true. but imagine how much more market share you could attain if you only made a 300 percent profit margin vs the 800 they are shooting for 
as far as the microwave, are they actually labeled as teir 1 , teir 2 also ? is the GE Mil-spec? 
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I agree to a certain point they are overpriced, althought I see the Magpul MOE as a pretty good deal. Where the fun begins is that a QD hole on each side and plastic lever "friction lock" cost you another $40 bucks. That said.. I went with the CTR for those exact reasons. see!! you think the MOE is a good deal because they sticker shocked you with the others!!! its a marketing ploy! Cost to make MOE....$5.67 Heck, my kids airhogs helicopter which i can fly around the living room only cost $29 Heck, I wish the MOE Stock only cost $5.67 to make... or anywhere near it for that matter. Pricing products is a complicated business and there are a number of factors to consider. For example, I'm quite sure that $89 microwave was made in China whereas ALL of our products are made in the US. Also, I'm sure that specific model will sell more units than the MOE could ever hope to accomplish. Finally, while an $89 microwave is going to be a rather cheap model most of our products are considered high-end for their price. If you build low quality products which have an extremely large market utilizing near slave labor then prices CAN be kept fairly low... Also, I bet your kid breaks his helicopter within a month!
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I agree to a certain point they are overpriced, althought I see the Magpul MOE as a pretty good deal. Where the fun begins is that a QD hole on each side and plastic lever "friction lock" cost you another $40 bucks. That said.. I went with the CTR for those exact reasons. see!! you think the MOE is a good deal because they sticker shocked you with the others!!! its a marketing ploy! Cost to make MOE....$5.67 Heck, my kids airhogs helicopter which i can fly around the living room only cost $29 Also, I bet your kid breaks his helicopter within a month!
That was gonna be my argument, stock's like the MOE all to way up to the SOPMOD are expected to go places and be subjected to things that no microwave could withstand. You are paying a bit for the name, mostly for the cost of being in business in the USA, and for the knowledge that when shit goes down, the stock will work. |
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CAA makes all kinds of *cheap* AR products. hell, i just looked at the prices for their CBS stock (who needs a section of rail on the side of a stock?!) and all i can say is "why in the hell would anyone buy a CAA anything over a MagPul?" on the one site that i found that sells them and the MOE (not a business i would ever buy from) it stacks up like this: CAA, CBS stock: $49.95 MagPul, MOE: $56.95 remind me again why people buy CAA stuff.......... stock prices can be reasonable if you look around. things like the SOPMOD may or may not be worth the money to some, that's up to them to decide. i run all VLTOR stocks and for me the price seems fair for what i'm getting. ($95.00 on the site from above) if cash is short and you need other things for your rifle a stock is the last thing that you replace, IMHO. |
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I haven't found a reason to replace the regular 6 position stock on my LMT. I added a quick release swivel mount, no need to buy another one just to look cool...it works just fine. http://4-riders.com/pics/AR/LMT6011.jpg this, mine doesnt wabble once shouldered(stag). i have no reason to replace it other than looks, which is the equivalent to ricing out a civic. I can see uses for other stocks, but i dont need, it, others might... |
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Aside from most things like microwaves being nothing but Chinese made junk and Magpul stocks are high quality and American made, you also have to consider economies of scale. Magpul doesn't produce anywhere near as many AR stocks as Panasonic does microwaves. So the price per unit is higher because fewer units must absorb the fixed costs of doing business.
In a nutshell. 
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I agree to a certain point they are overpriced, althought I see the Magpul MOE as a pretty good deal. Where the fun begins is that a QD hole on each side and plastic lever "friction lock" cost you another $40 bucks. That said.. I went with the CTR for those exact reasons. see!! you think the MOE is a good deal because they sticker shocked you with the others!!! its a marketing ploy! Cost to make MOE....$5.67 Heck, my kids airhogs helicopter which i can fly around the living room only cost $29 yea but thats cheap plastics, better polymers cost more to make, (price can get pretty high pretty quick), then you add all the parts, labor, cost for research... companies have to add a certain markup to make a profit, and more to keep new products comming. If they charged just enough to make a profit, they would have to cut into r&d time, and the acr, ctr, bad, ubr... all would not exist. |
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Quoted: CAA makes all kinds of *cheap* AR products. hell, i just looked at the prices for their CBS stock (who needs a section of rail on the side of a stock?!) and all i can say is "why in the hell would anyone buy a CAA anything over a MagPul?" on the one site that i found that sells them and the MOE (not a business i would ever buy from) it stacks up like this: CAA, CBS stock: $49.95 MagPul, MOE: $56.95 remind me again why people buy CAA stuff.......... stock prices can be reasonable if you look around. things like the SOPMOD may or may not be worth the money to some, that's up to them to decide. i run all VLTOR stocks and for me the price seems fair for what i'm getting. ($95.00 on the site from above) if cash is short and you need other things for your rifle a stock is the last thing that you replace, IMHO. People buy CAA because newbs like me don't know what we're buying. ETA: I have a nice CAA stock for sale.
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I haven't found a reason to replace the regular 6 position stock on my LMT. I added a quick release swivel mount, no need to buy another one just to look cool...it works just fine. http://4-riders.com/pics/AR/LMT6011.jpg I agree with ya...I am happy with the plain old CAR stock myself and don't much care for the gee wiz cool stuff either.
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I haven't found a reason to replace the regular 6 position stock on my LMT. I added a quick release swivel mount, no need to buy another one just to look cool...it works just fine. http://4-riders.com/pics/AR/LMT6011.jpg this, mine doesnt wabble once shouldered(stag). i have no reason to replace it other than looks, which is the equivalent to ricing out a civic. I can see uses for other stocks, but i dont need, it, others might... BTW The MOE Stock goes far beyond just looks. You're getting a $20 rubber butt-pad included standard, stronger polymer with four color choices, a stronger no-snag design (triangular shape), a shielded release lever, comfortable wider cheek purchase, etc. |
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Aside from most things like microwaves being nothing but Chinese made junk and Magpul stocks are high quality and American made, you also have to consider economies of scale. Magpul doesn't produce anywhere near as many AR stocks as Panasonic does microwaves. So the price per unit is higher because fewer units must absorb the fixed costs of doing business. In a nutshell. Micro Econ 101
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Aside from most things like microwaves being nothing but Chinese made junk and Magpul stocks are high quality and American made, you also have to consider economies of scale. Magpul doesn't produce anywhere near as many AR stocks as Panasonic does microwaves. So the price per unit is higher because fewer units must absorb the fixed costs of doing business. In a nutshell. Micro Econ 101 Yup. 
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