AR Sponsor
Posted: 11/21/2009 8:51:11 PM EDT
| I keep hearing this in threads recently. So now ure not supposed to use the grip anymore just "use is as a reference point"? Does this have something to do with the magpul videos? Can someone explain this nonsense to me? |
|
You can try it before you call it nonsense.
I (and others) was using this method with shortened KAC grips before it had a name. I'm sure some people use it because of it being "in". Others use it because it works for them. Different strokes and all that. It's like a batting stance, there aren't wrong ways, just different ways. Find what gives you results. If you don't like it then feel free not to use it. BTW- never saw the videos. |
| It's the latest craze borrowed from the competition crowd. Using the support hand in a position similar to on your handgun can allow faster follow up shots. Shoot whatever way your comfortable. I used a KAC handstop or nothing at all only because I don't like extra shit hanging off my rifle. |
|
Quoted: It's the latest craze borrowed from the competition crowd. Using the support hand in a position similar to on your handgun can allow faster follow up shots. Shoot whatever way your comfortable. I used a KAC handstop or nothing at all only because I don't like extra shit hanging off my rifle.  |
| Its def. not non-sense....so much of being an accurate shooter simply comes down to muscle memory because you dont have the time to look and think about which hand goes where, and suh and there fore when you use the vfg as a reference point the moment your offhand reaches the back on the grip you know you are GTG! |
|
Quoted:
Quoted:
It's the latest craze borrowed from the competition crowd. Using the support hand in a position similar to on your handgun can allow faster follow up shots. Shoot whatever way your comfortable. I used a KAC handstop or nothing at all only because I don't like extra shit hanging off my rifle.
I believe this is exactly what they say in the Magpul video's. A friend had me watch them. He uses this method now. Seems to work for some folks. In the video, the magpul guys says to use what works for you. |
|
Quoted: The eyeballs was at the people in the "extra shit" and "it's the FOTM" crowd.Quoted: Quoted: It's the latest craze borrowed from the competition crowd. Using the support hand in a position similar to on your handgun can allow faster follow up shots. Shoot whatever way your comfortable. I used a KAC handstop or nothing at all only because I don't like extra shit hanging off my rifle. I believe this is exactly what they say in the Magpul video's. A friend had me watch them. He uses this method now. Seems to work for some folks. In the video, the magpul guys says to use what works for you. |
| I am wondering the same thing. I've read that holding the rifle with your non firing hand higher on the handguard (ie. thumb along the top of the rail/handguard) results in more effective recoil management and faster follow up shots. It has to do with getting your hand closer to the center of the axis of the bore. I'd like to hear from those people that shoot like this, OR people who have tried it and decided not to adopt it. Is it REALLY that much more effective?! |
|
Someone at a match showed me this type of grip before the Magpul guys were popular. When I first started shooting, I used the magwell grip (since it was what I was taught) and couldn't figure out why I had so much trouble keeping still for follow up shots.
I then started doing this competition grip on my stock handguards. However, I would grab different parts of the handguards each time I picked up the rifle. After I got an FF rail, I put a KAC VFG I had laying around on my rifle and now I grab the same part each time. I pretty much only use 1" of that VFG, but I don't feel like trying to cut it. My hold is slightly different from the Magpul guys; it's more like a shotgun grip. I have my pointer finger pointed forward while resting on the left side of the rail. I keep my thumb over the muzzle to help control it. It's quite a good grip. Obviously, it won't matter if you shoot single shots at the bench all day long. There's also a reason why competition shooters like Glocks with the low bore axis. |
|
Whatever makes you shoot better I guess. I tried it, and it felt uncomfortable to me. The first time I saw it was in this thread http://www.ar15.com/forums/topic.html?b=3&f=118&t=467117&page=2    |
|
I've been using this grip for a little while now. I find it gives me a better grip on the gun with more control. Some guys like the death grip around the VFG. For me, I drive the gun better in this hybrid grip. I don't quite do the Magpul grip. I tried it when training with them, but I can't quite get my elbow up like Costa. That dude must be double jointed. But, he is one hell of a good shooter. He and Travis have amazing speed AND accuracy. What's more: they can do it on demand every time.
These grips originated in the competition world. It's definitely not nonsense. Smart military and LE units have been learning and borrowing from the competition world for decades. Where do you think red dots started? Comp shooters are usually on the cutting edge of innovation for shooting, developing new products and techniques to increase speed and accuracy. Both of these traits are critical in surviving real world gunfights. My platoon Sergeant used to say: "If it's stupid, but it works; then it isn't stupid." |
|
Quoted:
+1 on the "do whatever works for you" theory. Personally, I use my VFG exactly as pictured in the bottom picture. Stubbies are perfect for this. I gave it a go, using Costa's stance/grip method in the top picture. I can't get it to work for me. The way he shoulders the rifle, and uses his support hand just doesn't feel comfortable to me. Give different methods a try, and see what works better for you. |
|
Quoted:
Quoted:
http://i41.photobucket.com/albums/e296/wombatturd/STCK1432-1024-Stick.jpg http://i41.photobucket.com/albums/e296/wombatturd/web.jpg +1 on the "do whatever works for you" theory. Personally, I use my VFG exactly as pictured in the bottom picture. Stubbies are perfect for this. I gave it a go, using Costa's stance/grip method in the top picture. I can't get it to work for me. The way he shoulders the rifle, and uses his support hand just doesn't feel comfortable to me. Give different methods a try, and see what works better for you. That is the one I use too, I like that better than the one Costa is using in that photo. It accomplishes basically the same thing. In the videos they show an illustration of how it is a more stable platform, taking it to the range in trying it, I've found the same thing rather than gripping the VFG like it were a baseball bat or something. |
| I didn't realize that particular hand position for the support hand originated out of competition shooting...Thats interesting. I've tried it and find that in CQB, I feel like I'm over-extended and the weapon is too far out when clearing and going around corners, but when shooting at targets at longer distances, it does provide a better shooting platform for follow up shots and engaging multiple targets. Does anyone have any experience with using this shooting style in CQB, and not just on a sqaure range? |
AR Sponsor