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9/7/2009 8:39:05 PM EDT
Another forum I am a member of does not like the SWS rail. This is the first I've heard of issues with a Noveske. Do you guys have any thoughs on this matter.  One particular guy says he tosses the SWS and puts a DD on them.
9/7/2009 8:43:18 PM EDT
[#1]
Sounds just like a preference thing

I have DD rails and love them but have never handled an SWS rail though I like their appearance!
9/7/2009 8:55:10 PM EDT
[#2]
To the OP:  the person who tosses theirs out must be doing it due to preference or weight. The SWS is a high quality rail. I am actually surprised thay have not taken off sales wise.

I love mine!

I would say it weighs more than a DD rail. But is is rock solid and fits me well.
9/7/2009 10:07:14 PM EDT
[#3]
I wouldn't call something that is personal preferance an "Issue" besides if  IIRC you can order it with a different rail.
9/7/2009 10:13:50 PM EDT
[#4]
I see no reason why anyone would toss a SWS rail to the side since they make a top notch product. It would be the equivalent of taking off a DD, Troy, KAC, or LaRue rail. All are top quality but

I guess everyone has their own personal preferences.....
9/8/2009 6:40:06 AM EDT
[#5]
I have an sws rail on my carbine, very nice rail and Art is a great guy.

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9/8/2009 6:55:28 AM EDT
[#6]
Quoted:
One particular guy says he tosses the SWS and puts a DD on them.


Maybe more money than sense??  The SWS E1 rail in "Noveske-spec" is a top quality rail.

9/8/2009 7:08:59 AM EDT
[#7]
Have a Noveske lowpro with the SWS rail and also other uppers with DD and Larue and
see no reason to change it.

If it's tight and in spec why take it off?

No other reason them preferance and a willingness to spend more money.
9/8/2009 7:17:25 AM EDT
[#8]
I think it would be nice if the rail on my Low-pro was lighter... but a couple oz is no reason to throw out a quality rail...
9/8/2009 8:33:00 AM EDT
[#9]
I've been pretty happy with mine.  I know who you're referring to about the discussion on the other forum.  Let me ask you this.  Every post you can find from him regarding "issues" with the SWS rails, has there been a single one that list a specific problem with the SWS other than it being too heavy and not widely used by everyone?  Those seem to be his two chief complaints about the SWS.

Now let's examine those two complaints.  The SWS is not light by any means, but it's not a boat anchor either.  I've used Larues and DD Omegas before.  The SWS isn't that much heavier than those two.  So while the weight is a legitimate complaint, it's hardly an "issue."  I haven't found them to be particularly burdensome, whether using it with nothing mounted on my rifle or with all the usual gear most of us slap onto an AR.

As to the matter of the SWS not being widely used, we need to do an apples to apples comparison.  The specific rails system used by Noveske are proprietary.  Those are only available on Noveske rifles and are not available by themselves from any vendor I know of.  That alone would limit the number of these rails in use by the general AR buying public.  As to why the other rail systems made by SWS aren't more widely in use.  Who knows?  I'd say this posters issues with the SWS rails have more to do with preference than any real shortcomings.

I can think of maybe one other thing that might be an area of complaint (though for me it's a non-issue).  The SWS comes with QD points on both the right and left rails.  If the location of these mounting points aren't exactly where you want them, they could prevent you from mounting other items you may want to mount at those specific points.  Also, the rail's QD slots do not have rotation limiters (at least not on the rail I have, not sure about the new ones).  That's a legitimate issue for anyone who may choose to use QD mounts.

Your best bet is to try one of these out for yourself.  If you're in the LA/OC area, I'd be glad to meet you at a range and let you try one out for yourself.  For reference, I have one of the Lo Pro Carbine uppers.
9/8/2009 8:48:56 AM EDT
[#10]
Quoted:
Another forum I am a member of does not like the SWS rail. This is the first I've heard of issues with a Noveske. Do you guys have any thoughs on this matter.  One particular guy says he tosses the SWS and puts a DD on them.


I don't know of any "issues" with the sws rails. I have a noveske lo pro complete rifle and I actually like the sws rails better than the dd lite rail I have on my other noveske N4 basic upper. They're smaller in circumference and it allows me to get a better hand placement/grip on the rail than the dd and to me they aren't as "sharp" as other rails. But there is nothing wrong with the dd rails either, I have another set on a cmmg upper. Opinions vary...
9/8/2009 9:25:49 AM EDT
[#11]
I agree with the above posts, though I cannot tell the weight difference unless they are off the rifle.  Once installed with accessories, most people would never know the difference.

Here's the only issue I can think of.  They don't say DD, LaRue or KAC anywhere on them.  Other than that, they're exactly the same high quality.  Nice finish, too.
9/8/2009 2:29:18 PM EDT
[#12]
John Novekse could have gone with anyone to spec his rails, that he went with SWS says something about them.
9/8/2009 8:41:39 PM EDT
[#13]
Quoted:
I've been pretty happy with mine.  I know who you're referring to about the discussion on the other forum.  Let me ask you this.  Every post you can find from him regarding "issues" with the SWS rails, has there been a single one that list a specific problem with the SWS other than it being too heavy and not widely used by everyone?  Those seem to be his two chief complaints about the SWS.

Now let's examine those two complaints.  The SWS is not light by any means, but it's not a boat anchor either.  I've used Larues and DD Omegas before.  The SWS isn't that much heavier than those two.  So while the weight is a legitimate complaint, it's hardly an "issue."  I haven't found them to be particularly burdensome, whether using it with nothing mounted on my rifle or with all the usual gear most of us slap onto an AR.

As to the matter of the SWS not being widely used, we need to do an apples to apples comparison.  The specific rails system used by Noveske are proprietary.  Those are only available on Noveske rifles and are not available by themselves from any vendor I know of.  That alone would limit the number of these rails in use by the general AR buying public.  As to why the other rail systems made by SWS aren't more widely in use.  Who knows?  I'd say this posters issues with the SWS rails have more to do with preference than any real shortcomings.

I can think of maybe one other thing that might be an area of complaint (though for me it's a non-issue).  The SWS comes with QD points on both the right and left rails.  If the location of these mounting points aren't exactly where you want them, they could prevent you from mounting other items you may want to mount at those specific points.  Also, the rail's QD slots do not have rotation limiters (at least not on the rail I have, not sure about the new ones).  That's a legitimate issue for anyone who may choose to use QD mounts.

Your best bet is to try one of these out for yourself.  If you're in the LA/OC area, I'd be glad to meet you at a range and let you try one out for yourself.  For reference, I have one of the Lo Pro Carbine uppers.



Heh, thank you for the good write up. I'm in North San Diego, I might just take you up on that offer. It might be awhile though. I haven't been shootin gmuch lately due to finances. But I'll get back to you.
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