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[ARCHIVED THREAD] - My SHTF build... (Page 1 of 2)
Posted: 7/21/2009 7:42:51 AM EDT
Here is my SHTF build. Let me know what you think.
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Whoa, that looks heavy. How many batteries you got on-board that monster (in use & stored).
It's a real nice looking rig, a few too many bells & whistles for me, but there is a situation out there for all your gadgets, and any microscopic edge you can get on a potental assailant is good to have. |
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Too heavy... and overkill.. Having NVGs on your weapons forces you to flag EVERYONE.
Single Point slings blow in any environment other then a door kicking raid type scenario. And a battery eating EOtech is the last thing I would want if I was going to have to supply the power..... you asked.... 
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People might want to take a look at his bio, which is available under the user info button. Impressive bio, and we are all in his debt for his service. That said, he did ask the question. It looked heavy and over done to me as well, but we all have a right to our own AR. |
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you wanted our opinions so here goes...
the M93B looks like it would do a good job of balancing it all out, however, i don't like single point slings for most heavy carbines, i never found them comfortable. i do have an ASP on my HD carbine (16" LMT, MOE HGs, no optics) and I plan on using an MS2 on my LMT 10.5 SBR (once the paperwork is approved). the rest of my carbines run 2pt slings. I also dislike rubbery grips, they are great for SPR/precision type rifles, but especially with a single point sling they've always seemed to "sticky" to me, and get hung up on clothing |
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Sounds like you girls saying the "rile is too heavy" need to hit the gym. It's not like you would walking around with the rifle raised above your head for 12 hours a day. At that point anything would be heavy.
A real world soldier would have no problems or complaints carrying that. |
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Sounds like you guys saying the "rile is too heavy" need to hit the gym. It's not like you would walking around with the rifle raised above your head for 12 hours a day. At that point anything would be heavy. A real world soldier would have no problems or complaints carrying that. Still looks too heavy to me. For SHTF I want something relatively light. My SHTF rifle is 9lbs loaded |
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Here is what I have in this build...
Eagle Arms lower (Coal Valley roll mark) ArmaLite upper, Caliber: .223/5.56mm NATO Barrel: 16" Chrome Moly, Chrome Lined, with M203 Step Down Barrel Rifling Twist: RH 1:9" Muzzle Device: Flash Suppressor Front Sight Base: A2 Trigger: Two Stage Overall Length: 35.6" closed to 41" fully extended Magpul M93 buttstock ArmaLite rail system EOTech PVS-14 NVD Surefire M900 light A.R.M.S. 40LP rear sight Weight before extras: 6.5 lbs Weight after extras: 8.2 lbs The night vision is on a military mount that quick detaches. With that on there I had to push out the EOTech though. (Looking for a better nvd mount now) But still zeroed the same and at the right distance. But I built this off of a similar platform I used to carry when I was in the ARMY. So this is what I am used to and I function with the best. I still have clearance to drop the rifle and use my side arm if need be. I do appreciate your opinions and comments though. thank you. |
hell if you could run with that thing all day + extra mags and ammo + a pack with food and other servival gear, more power to ya... 
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Quoted: How many girls do we have here? The gun weighs less than 9lbs. The Marines in WW2 carried M1's that were 9.5lbs and the average Marine back then was 150lbs. I'm not a big guy myself, and I have no problem carrying a decked out AR, side arm, and gear all day. yeah, it's a little scary. |
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I like everything except for the Surefire M900. With drop in LED bulbs pushing 200+ lumen off of two batteries, you can save a lot of weight if you go with a stand alone VFG and a VTAC/Laure/DD mounted light with a drop in bulb. The $600 Surefire VFGs might have made sense before LED bulbs matured, but now, not so much IMHO.
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I've met the OP, know his background and I dont think he will have any problems caring that rig.
On one of Matt Burkett's shows, he said when he hears people complain about weight, he tells them to hit the gym. Some of the better practical shooters try and stay fit in order to be competitive, I'd home those prepping for SHTF would bother to stay in some sort of shape...other than round... don't worry about the OP. |
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How many girls do we have here? The gun weighs less than 9lbs. The Marines in WW2 carried M1's that were 9.5lbs and the average Marine back then was 150lbs. I'm not a big guy myself, and I have no problem carrying a decked out AR, side arm, and gear all day. yeah, it's a little scary. grow up internet tough guys there is a difference between being able to do something and wanting to do it. in WWII there were no other options than wood and steel. an infantryman in the Army/Marines has an entire company backing him up, in a SHTF scenario, the best case scenario you have a couple of friends watching your back, more likely you are flying solo. if you can minimize the amount of effort needed to carry a weapon (aka making it as light as possible without giving up capabilities), you conserve energy and in turn conserve water, food, and prevent unnecessary fatigue. critical things to consider when some SHTF event is taking place and you are on the move. my first AR was a Colt MT6400C w/ SOCOM barrel, ARMS #45MV, Aimpoint in ARMS mount, TD VFG, VLTOR stock, H2 buffer, etc. I shot that thing for years without an issue and it weighed well over 10 pounds loaded. i never even considered something else until I built my second AR (18" Noveske, 12" DD Lite Rail, LMT w/ SOPMOD, NightForce NXS in LT104) and my SPR rifle weighed almost the same as my "M4 carbine". then i built a "lightweight" carbine, and my M4 immediately went on a diet. my good friend is a door kicker for a living, his personal AR was a RRA with their heavy under the HGs M4 profile barrel, YHM free float, tactical carry handle with some generic cheapo red dot sight. he has run this through training courses and shot it without issue and never considered the weight an issue. once he handled my lighter M4, he wanted to shave some weight. my rifle with aimpoint, surefire light, and fully loaded weighs like 3-4 pounds LESS than his. once you realize that you can do the same job with less effort, why wouldn't you??? if a rifle is a tool, then a heavy carbine is like using a philips head screw driver to build a deck rather than an 18v dewalt... sure i could turn a screwdriver without an issue, and sure 60-70 years ago, people built things with hand tools alone, but why waste time when better options and technology exist? ego? dick swinging contest? |
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Whats the prefered optic for a SHTF scenario? My choice would be something tritium powered or with a battery life measured in years, without a history of failures. Eotech fails both counts. My ARs wear a Aimpoint and TA01, with BUIS. Tritium front sight post in the BUIS. BSW |
Nice pic and rig  , I like everything exept if it was mine I would have these instead.
Barrel: Mil-spec material barrel, gov't or medium contour, chrome lined, 1/7 twist, 5.56 NATO chamber, HPT & MPI tested Rails: KAC M4 RAS/ Daniel Defense Omega/ DD Lite Rail VFG: TangoDown/ KAC/ LaRue FUG Grip: Magpul MIAD (without finger grooves - they slow down my transitions but are OK for precision rigs)/ MOE Stock: Magpul CTR/ LMT SOPMOD/ Vltor EMOD Dot Optic: Any Aimpoint model Weaponlight: Surefire Scout/ M95X/ M96X with LED high lumen drop in bulb Sling: Magpul MS2 & ASAP mount/ Gear Sector GS-2P two point (convertible to one point sling) I would also never mount my optic on my non monolithic handguard rail, I prefer it on the upper receiver rail just in case the handguard accidentally moved. |
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This place blows my mind sometimes. Too heavy... Eotech crapping... seriously? The OP has more real world experience than 99% of us on this board and he obviously thought about what he wanted in a SHTF rifle. If he wants to hump it, let him. It's a heck of a build with some very nice kit. Great pics too. Thanks for posting!
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Whats the prefered optic for a SHTF scenario? My choice would be something tritium powered or with a battery life measured in years, without a history of failures. Eotech fails both counts. My ARs wear a Aimpoint and TA01, with BUIS. Tritium front sight post in the BUIS. BSW Aimpoint fails that as well. I guess thats why everyone has BUIS. As for the heavy SHTF gun, my main question is why have that barrel contour? I have one of the same but its on my list to turn it down and save a pound or two. |
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too heavy for anything I'd want to carry all day. Everyone keeps saying this looks to heavy. How is it too heavy? All he has on there that most people dont is a NVG, which can be takin off in two seconds... IMO it has everything you would need, I prefer an aimpoint over the eotech and a different stock but those are just preferences. Nice weapon. |
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Although I agree and think it is safe to say that the vast majority of folks here need to hit the gym more often and the keyboard a little less, in a SHTF situation weight is most definitely an issue.
When your world is turned upside down, working on little to no sleep, water or food weight is most certainly going to be an issue no matter who you are, what you did or how often you workout. Tthere is not a single workout you can do in the gym that will prepare your muscles to carry around a seeming low weight rifle all day. There is no perfect answer, I think all most people are trying to convey is that there are better options out there to cut down on weight. |
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There is no perfect answer, I think all most people are trying to convey is that there are better options out there to cut down on weight. But its less than 9 pounds !? What is the issue with a 9 pound rifle? My personal choice would be an XM-177 style carbine with no accessories other than a sling and a tall stack of 20 and 30 round mags, ––- but the OP's rifle looks effective |
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Someone else mentioned this, but I'd like to expand on it. I am not familar with the aralite rail, is it anchored more securely than other drop in rail setups? That would be the thing I would worry about, it not holding zero due to rail shift.
Evrything else..........why not. |
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