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Posted: 7/7/2009 12:52:47 PM EDT
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Waiting on USPS to deliver my Vickers 2 point sling and my DD BCG to add to this. Hurry up USPS!
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Have you looked at the Trijicon Tri-power?
I personally like them much better than the aimpoint series. No batteries needed and auto adjusting to light conditions, plus tritium for night. but you still have the option of using a battery powered element if you want it a little brighter at night.  
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Oh really..my bad..I thought it was milspec.  Nooop, I guess you haven't read THE CHART. But don't get a sad face. If nobody brought it to your attention you never would have known the difference as far as durability / usability until you tried to stick a SOPMOD or some other mil spec stock on there. |
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Just measure your buffer tube and you can see for your self what size it is, mil-spec is 1.4 something " and commercial is 1.7 something " OD. The buffer tube really is the least important piece of the rifle, and any of them from CMT will be quality reguardless what size.
Oh, NICE rifle! 
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Oh really..my bad..I thought it was milspec. Nooop, I guess you haven't read THE CHART. But don't get a sad face. If nobody brought it to your attention you never would have known the difference as far as durability / usability until you tried to stick a SOPMOD or some other mil spec stock on there. Actually you and MikefromTX are wrong. Stag uses milspec tubes  Please do more research before you give people wrong information.
http://www.stagarms.com/product_info.php?cPath=18_32&products_id=235 "Stag Arms only uses Mil Spec Extensions (not commercial) so that aftermarket stocks will fit." |
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I thought that mil spec is what I read. I just didn't feel like being confrontational  No problem. I just didnt want to see you end up buying the wrong stock so I thought I should speak up . Stag is one of the best buys out there for the money. Good choice!
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I thought that mil spec is what I read. I just didn't feel like being confrontational No problem. I just didnt want to see you end up buying the wrong stock so I thought I should speak up . Stag is one of the best buys out there for the money. Good choice!Thanks man! Hey this is kind of off topic, but I love Jeeps also! I have a Commander that has been stellar thus far! Thanks for sticking up for my Stag! Trying to get it as close to spec as I can withought changing the barrel. (and feedramps) . Haven't shot an M4 since I got out of the U.S. Coast Guard in 2004 
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Oh really..my bad..I thought it was milspec. Nooop, I guess you haven't read THE CHART. But don't get a sad face. If nobody brought it to your attention you never would have known the difference as far as durability / usability until you tried to stick a SOPMOD or some other mil spec stock on there. Actually you and MikefromTX are wrong. Stag uses milspec tubes Please do more research before you give people wrong information.
http://www.stagarms.com/product_info.php?cPath=18_32&products_id=235 "Stag Arms only uses Mil Spec Extensions (not commercial) so that aftermarket stocks will fit." Actually, YOU are the one who's wrong! I happen to have a Stag, and it has a commercial tube. The link you posted is to a tactical model, and maybe they have them, but not all Stags do! The reason I know is that I just recently put a MOE stock on mine, and it took the commercial stock. Also has the slanted end on the tube. Tube measures 1.17. In your own words, "Please do more research before you give people wrong information." . . |
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Stag uses a milspec tube. I just bought a stag complete kit and it is all milspec baby. That is one thing they use in their marketing. They are ALL milspec from what I understand.
Read where it says: "All Stag Arms Stock kits use Mil Spec receiver extensions, so after market upgrades are as easy as changing the plastic. This Collapsible 6 position stock kit comes with all items shown." This is the link to the stocks they sell and they are ALL milspec Stag milspec stock And that's not just the "tactical stock" either. All stocks for sale on their site as well as the ones on their rifles are milspec. Maybe you got a parts gun. |
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Oh really..my bad..I thought it was milspec. Nooop, I guess you haven't read THE CHART. But don't get a sad face. If nobody brought it to your attention you never would have known the difference as far as durability / usability until you tried to stick a SOPMOD or some other mil spec stock on there. Actually you and MikefromTX are wrong. Stag uses milspec tubes Please do more research before you give people wrong information.
http://www.stagarms.com/product_info.php?cPath=18_32&products_id=235 "Stag Arms only uses Mil Spec Extensions (not commercial) so that aftermarket stocks will fit." Actually, YOU are the one who's wrong! I happen to have a Stag, and it has a commercial tube. The link you posted is to a tactical model, and maybe they have them, but not all Stags do! The reason I know is that I just recently put a MOE stock on mine, and it took the commercial stock. Also has the slanted end on the tube. Tube measures 1.17. In your own words, "Please do more research before you give people wrong information." . . Why would their own website state the opposite then? Stag ONLY sells milspec tubes on their complete lowers, stock kits, and rifles. If yours has commercial you must have built it yourself or someone else did. Please show me even one link on their website they says differently. Every link they have for every product stated above says they ONLY use milspec tubes. |
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Oh really..my bad..I thought it was milspec. Nooop, I guess you haven't read THE CHART. But don't get a sad face. If nobody brought it to your attention you never would have known the difference as far as durability / usability until you tried to stick a SOPMOD or some other mil spec stock on there. Actually you and MikefromTX are wrong. Stag uses milspec tubes Please do more research before you give people wrong information.
http://www.stagarms.com/product_info.php?cPath=18_32&products_id=235 "Stag Arms only uses Mil Spec Extensions (not commercial) so that aftermarket stocks will fit." Actually, YOU are the one who's wrong! I happen to have a Stag, and it has a commercial tube. The link you posted is to a tactical model, and maybe they have them, but not all Stags do! The reason I know is that I just recently put a MOE stock on mine, and it took the commercial stock. Also has the slanted end on the tube. Tube measures 1.17. In your own words, "Please do more research before you give people wrong information." . . Woah...No reason to get all mad man. I am sure that Stag has not always used Milspec tubes....But I know they do now. Maybe you got an older model. No big deal. The Stag website explains it all. |
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I bought my complete Stag lower about 30 days ago, and it has a commercial tube. That's all I know, and I thought Jeep's post was a little on the superior, scolding side, telling me to check my facts before spreading false info.
My Stag is a Model Stag-15, with ser. # 889xx, and I have no reason to think it's old stock. Also, the dealer is reputable and hasn't switched out tubes or anything. I'd pull the MOE stock off and show you a pic, but that thing is a bitch to remove. But if you know your MOE stocks, you can see this a commercial stock by the rubber buttpad (which the mil-spec version doesn't have). 
I also mic'd the tube, but didn't take a picture of that. It mic's at a smidge over 1.17. That's all I know. But I didn't just make a wild post without facts to back it up! . . |
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I bought my complete Stag lower about 30 days ago, and it has a commercial tube. That's all I know, and I thought Jeep's post was a little on the superior, scolding side, telling me to check my facts before spreading false info. My Stag is a Model Stag-15, with ser. # 889xx, and I have no reason to think it's old stock. Also, the dealer is reputable and hasn't switched out tubes or anything. I'd pull the MOE stock off and show you a pic, but that thing is a bitch to remove. But if you know your MOE stocks, you can see this a commercial stock by the rubber buttpad (which the mil-spec version doesn't have). http://www.mrossnet.com/Stag.jpg I also mic'd the tube, but didn't take a picture of that. It mic's at a smidge over 1.17. That's all I know. But I didn't just make a wild post without facts to back it up! . . I did not mean to sound superior or scolding and if I did I apologize for that. That's why I said "please" earlier People give a lot of false information sometimes. If you truly have a commercial stock
then I am shocked because all Stags come with milspec tubes. They don't even sell commercial stock kits. A commercial stock will fit over a milspec tube but it will be loose. I would check with your dealer or call Stag to see what the deal is. I would be interested to know why yours would be different. I apologize again if I came off as being condescending. |
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Back to the topic.....do I need an H buffer?  I would just go out and shoot it/enjoy it. You can always buy an H buffer later since they're pretty cheap. If it gives you piece of mind then go ahead and do it but my KAC didn't even come with an H buffer. I was trying to change the subject, but his post really has me boggled....or googled. I have been trying to find something on this. I hope someone will answer this question ....on a Stone tablet:)
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Back to the topic.....do I need an H buffer? I would just go out and shoot it/enjoy it. You can always buy an H buffer later since they're pretty cheap. If it gives you piece of mind then go ahead and do it but my KAC didn't even come with an H buffer. I was trying to change the subject, but his post really has me boggled....or googled. I have been trying to find something on this. I hope someone will answer this question ....on a Stone tablet:)haha......good idea. It's got me curious too though. Let us know if you find anything. |
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I bought my complete Stag lower about 30 days ago, and it has a commercial tube. That's all I know, and I thought Jeep's post was a little on the superior, scolding side, telling me to check my facts before spreading false info. My Stag is a Model Stag-15, with ser. # 889xx, and I have no reason to think it's old stock. Also, the dealer is reputable and hasn't switched out tubes or anything. I'd pull the MOE stock off and show you a pic, but that thing is a bitch to remove. But if you know your MOE stocks, you can see this a commercial stock by the rubber buttpad (which the mil-spec version doesn't have). http://www.mrossnet.com/Stag.jpg I also mic'd the tube, but didn't take a picture of that. It mic's at a smidge over 1.17. That's all I know. But I didn't just make a wild post without facts to back it up! . . mikefromtx, you realize that a commercial stock would fit on a milspec tube right?? |
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I bought my complete Stag lower about 30 days ago, and it has a commercial tube. That's all I know, and I thought Jeep's post was a little on the superior, scolding side, telling me to check my facts before spreading false info. My Stag is a Model Stag-15, with ser. # 889xx, and I have no reason to think it's old stock. Also, the dealer is reputable and hasn't switched out tubes or anything. I'd pull the MOE stock off and show you a pic, but that thing is a bitch to remove. But if you know your MOE stocks, you can see this a commercial stock by the rubber buttpad (which the mil-spec version doesn't have). http://www.mrossnet.com/Stag.jpg I also mic'd the tube, but didn't take a picture of that. It mic's at a smidge over 1.17. That's all I know. But I didn't just make a wild post without facts to back it up! . . mikefromtx, you realize that a commercial stock would fit on a milspec tube right?? This If you have a commercial tube, then someone else changed it before it got to you. |
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I bought my complete Stag lower about 30 days ago, and it has a commercial tube. That's all I know, and I thought Jeep's post was a little on the superior, scolding side, telling me to check my facts before spreading false info. My Stag is a Model Stag-15, with ser. # 889xx, and I have no reason to think it's old stock. Also, the dealer is reputable and hasn't switched out tubes or anything. I'd pull the MOE stock off and show you a pic, but that thing is a bitch to remove. But if you know your MOE stocks, you can see this a commercial stock by the rubber buttpad (which the mil-spec version doesn't have). http://www.mrossnet.com/Stag.jpg I also mic'd the tube, but didn't take a picture of that. It mic's at a smidge over 1.17. That's all I know. But I didn't just make a wild post without facts to back it up! . . mikefromtx, you realize that a commercial stock would fit on a milspec tube right?? Yes, I know that. Mine is nice and snug. It's a commercial tube. My caliper confirms that. . . |
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I bought my complete Stag lower about 30 days ago, and it has a commercial tube. That's all I know, and I thought Jeep's post was a little on the superior, scolding side, telling me to check my facts before spreading false info. My Stag is a Model Stag-15, with ser. # 889xx, and I have no reason to think it's old stock. Also, the dealer is reputable and hasn't switched out tubes or anything. I'd pull the MOE stock off and show you a pic, but that thing is a bitch to remove. But if you know your MOE stocks, you can see this a commercial stock by the rubber buttpad (which the mil-spec version doesn't have). http://www.mrossnet.com/Stag.jpg I also mic'd the tube, but didn't take a picture of that. It mic's at a smidge over 1.17. That's all I know. But I didn't just make a wild post without facts to back it up! . . I did not mean to sound superior or scolding and if I did I apologize for that. That's why I said "please" earlier People give a lot of false information sometimes. If you truly have a commercial stock
then I am shocked because all Stags come with milspec tubes. They don't even sell commercial stock kits. A commercial stock will fit over a milspec tube but it will be loose. I would check with your dealer or call Stag to see what the deal is. I would be interested to know why yours would be different. I apologize again if I came off as being condescending. Thanks, Jeep. Maybe I was too touchy. We've had a tough few days lately, and I took it wrong. Sorry if I came on too harsh. . . |
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Wow. When I first pulled this up, I thought I was looking at my own rifle. The fore end lookfs just like mine! 16" M4 profile barrel, DD Omega Rail, Tango Down Vert Grip, and a Surefire X300.
Sweet set up! If you are looking for optics, I recommend looking at the compact ACOGs. That is what I am using and really like it. Mine is a 1.5x24 model. I left the front sight post in place, and my scope is in a LaRue mount. The front sight does not interfere at all. Looks good. |
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I bought my complete Stag lower about 30 days ago, and it has a commercial tube. That's all I know, and I thought Jeep's post was a little on the superior, scolding side, telling me to check my facts before spreading false info. My Stag is a Model Stag-15, with ser. # 889xx, and I have no reason to think it's old stock. Also, the dealer is reputable and hasn't switched out tubes or anything. I'd pull the MOE stock off and show you a pic, but that thing is a bitch to remove. But if you know your MOE stocks, you can see this a commercial stock by the rubber buttpad (which the mil-spec version doesn't have). http://www.mrossnet.com/Stag.jpg I also mic'd the tube, but didn't take a picture of that. It mic's at a smidge over 1.17. That's all I know. But I didn't just make a wild post without facts to back it up! . . mikefromtx, you realize that a commercial stock would fit on a milspec tube right?? This If you have a commercial tube, then someone else changed it before it got to you. I am going to see my dealer this weekend and ask about it. It is POSSIBLE that he built these lowers up from strippers, since he does a big business in complete lowers and uppers, as well as parts. And if so, he might have used commercial tubes. That didn't occur to me at the time. For my part, it totally doesn't matter whether it's commercial or mil-spec. I merely operated under the impression Stag - like most other "commercial" rifle makers, used commercial tubes. If I was wrong, I was wrong, and I'll eat my words. I got the impression I was being called out or scolded, and I overreacted to that, so I'm sorry if I was a little touchy. Just for the record, I'll post back what I find out. . . |
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Okay, I couldn't stand it, so I called and got the answer.
My dealer does indeed build their lowers up from parts, and they did put a commercial tube on my Stag lower. They told me if I wanted a mil-spec they'd swap it out for free, but that mil-spec tubes are hard to find right now and they are out. Told him no problem, that I'm happy with my C-tube and MOE stock. SO .... I apologize for inadvertently starting a ruckus here. This is the first Stag part I've owned, and I *assumed* that they used C-tubes like most of the others ... especially since mine had one. Now I know that Stag uses mil-spec. That crunching sound is me eating my words.
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Okay, I couldn't stand it, so I called and got the answer. My dealer does indeed build their lowers up from parts, and they did put a commercial tube on my Stag lower. They told me if I wanted a mil-spec they'd swap it out for free, but that mil-spec tubes are hard to find right now and they are out. Told him no problem, that I'm happy with my C-tube and MOE stock. SO .... I apologize for inadvertently starting a ruckus here. This is the first Stag part I've owned, and I *assumed* that they used C-tubes like most of the others ... especially since mine had one. Now I know that Stag uses mil-spec. That crunching sound is me eating my words.
. . haha...no problem. I've done it many times myself At least you're one of the few who admits it, which I respect. I guess now we can let the OP have his thread back 
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