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Posted: 2/21/2009 4:24:32 PM EDT
| If you had to choose between a Colt 6920 or a LMT Defender 2000 which would it be and why? |
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I've had both and tend to veer toward Colt mainly because I've put more rounds downrange with my 6920 than just about anything else.
Also my LMT came with a standard carbine buffer instead of an H (probably not and issue, but I replaced it anyway), and no side sling swivel (personal preference), I run a Vickers, so the side swivel works out without having to buy an aftermaket part. The barrel parkerizing on the LMT was very strange. It seemed very thick and light colored, more like the Bushmaster my buddy has, and LMT does not park under the FSB (non issue for me, can't speak for the OP). Colts parkerizing seemed more even and is a pleasing dark grey/green (cosmetic, but we ARE splitting hairs). Receiver fit was about the same (both VERY loose), but the LMT had more attractive machining. Also I found the LMT was more accurate than the Colt with the same barrel profile. I kept the Colt mainly because I had more money in it, and I had fired it more, so psychologically I trusted it more. My advice is to buy what is available now, IMHO both guns have strengths/weaknesses that balance each other out. |
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I prefer the LMT... I like the maching better, less marks, smoother overall "finishing". The uppers/lowers on the LMT's I've had were all quite tight. The Colts I've had have more slop. Not an accurracy issue, just a personal preferance. I don't have to worry if I'm buying odd size pins in an LMT; they are all the same. The park/no park under the front sight is a non-issue for me.
Admittedly, I've not bought a complete Colt rifle since the 90's so perhaps something has changed. But dollar for dollar, give me an LMT. |
| either is good, I like colt better myself but I do love LMT, the only negatives to the LMT I see, and I saw on mine ymmv is no FA carrier, no H buffer no side sling adapter, no parked FSB (who cares?) It also didnt have the double heat shield HGs which dont mattwe because a KAC rail went on. I did like the SOPMOD stock with it though. and for all the finish/ fit nazis it had some odd stretch marks all over the mag well. I have no idea what they where.. as far as the no spec colt trigger pins that is soon to be a thing of the past starting this year so if you want to wait on that change to take place. not that I have ever seen one break on any AR15. |
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Quoted: I've had both and tend to veer toward Colt mainly because I've put more rounds downrange with my 6920 than just about anything else. Also my LMT came with a standard carbine buffer instead of an H (probably not and issue, but I replaced it anyway), and no side sling swivel (personal preference), I run a Vickers, so the side swivel works out without having to buy an aftermaket part. The barrel parkerizing on the LMT was very strange. It seemed very thick and light colored, more like the Bushmaster my buddy has, and LMT does not park under the FSB (non issue for me, can't speak for the OP). Colts parkerizing seemed more even and is a pleasing dark grey/green (cosmetic, but we ARE splitting hairs). Receiver fit was about the same (both VERY loose), but the LMT had more attractive machining. Also I found the LMT was more accurate than the Colt with the same barrel profile. I kept the Colt mainly because I had more money in it, and I had fired it more, so psychologically I trusted it more. My advice is to buy what is available now, IMHO both guns have strengths/weaknesses that balance each other out. The reason is because the Colt models follows the TDP to the letter, whereas LMT isn't bound by a set of rules that may be outdated. The TPD requires that the barrel be rifled to the correct size, THEN chrome lined. In order to account for the extra thickness of the chrome lining, a the bore must be resized. LMT barrel are overbored before chrome lining, so they skip a step that can cause greater inconsistencies. Denny's Guns uses the same process for their Operator barrels, which are also chrome lined barrels known for their accuracy. No idea what secret sauce Noveske uses in their N4 though. I buy LMT because it's easier to buy and better priced, while holding the same attention to quality as Colt. |
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I've had both and tend to veer toward Colt mainly because I've put more rounds downrange with my 6920 than just about anything else. Also my LMT came with a standard carbine buffer instead of an H (probably not and issue, but I replaced it anyway), and no side sling swivel (personal preference), I run a Vickers, so the side swivel works out without having to buy an aftermaket part. The barrel parkerizing on the LMT was very strange. It seemed very thick and light colored, more like the Bushmaster my buddy has, and LMT does not park under the FSB (non issue for me, can't speak for the OP). Colts parkerizing seemed more even and is a pleasing dark grey/green (cosmetic, but we ARE splitting hairs). Receiver fit was about the same (both VERY loose), but the LMT had more attractive machining. Also I found the LMT was more accurate than the Colt with the same barrel profile. I kept the Colt mainly because I had more money in it, and I had fired it more, so psychologically I trusted it more. My advice is to buy what is available now, IMHO both guns have strengths/weaknesses that balance each other out. My LMT defender 2000 lower is as loose as a lady of the night. I got a RRA lower to start a new build and was shocked that it fit my lmt upper, bcm upper and J&T upper better than my lmt. The RRA has a "CM" serial number so I guess that it was made by CMT. I had a COLT 6920 about 2 years ago and sold it due to the fact that the trigger pins were a differennt size that the rest of my AR's. I like everything to match....I guess its my OCD. |
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I've had both and tend to veer toward Colt mainly because I've put more rounds downrange with my 6920 than just about anything else. Also my LMT came with a standard carbine buffer instead of an H (probably not and issue, but I replaced it anyway), and no side sling swivel (personal preference), I run a Vickers, so the side swivel works out without having to buy an aftermaket part. The barrel parkerizing on the LMT was very strange. It seemed very thick and light colored, more like the Bushmaster my buddy has, and LMT does not park under the FSB (non issue for me, can't speak for the OP). Colts parkerizing seemed more even and is a pleasing dark grey/green (cosmetic, but we ARE splitting hairs). Receiver fit was about the same (both VERY loose), but the LMT had more attractive machining. Also I found the LMT was more accurate than the Colt with the same barrel profile. I kept the Colt mainly because I had more money in it, and I had fired it more, so psychologically I trusted it more. My advice is to buy what is available now, IMHO both guns have strengths/weaknesses that balance each other out. The reason is because the Colt models follows the TDP to the letter, whereas LMT isn't bound by a set of rules that may be outdated. The TPD requires that the barrel be rifled to the correct size, THEN chrome lined. In order to account for the extra thickness of the chrome lining, a the bore must be resized. LMT barrel are overbored before chrome lining, so they skip a step that can cause greater inconsistencies. Denny's Guns uses the same process for their Operator barrels, which are also chrome lined barrels known for their accuracy. No idea what secret sauce Noveske uses in their N4 though. I buy LMT because it's easier to buy and better priced, while holding the same attention to quality as Colt. What? He said the LMT was more accurate. |
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OK, i will post my experience at the range with a couple buddys.
Short version for now: Several makes of lowers and uppers, including 2 LMT defenders. All upper and lower combos fit except the LMT's will only fit a couple uppers without hammering the pins in and out My buddy with the 2 Lmt's was a little disappointed |
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OK, i will post my experience at the range with a couple buddys. Short version for now: Several makes of lowers and uppers, including 2 LMT defenders. All upper and lower combos fit except the LMT's will only fit a couple uppers without hammering the pins in and out My buddy with the 2 Lmt's was a little disappointed LMTs are a pretty tight fitting rifle......the pins will loosen up, my defender and my gas piston were both very tight, I lubed the pins and worked them in and both are just fine. Tight is a good thing. |
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OK, i will post my experience at the range with a couple buddys. Short version for now: Several makes of lowers and uppers, including 2 LMT defenders. All upper and lower combos fit except the LMT's will only fit a couple uppers without hammering the pins in and out My buddy with the 2 Lmt's was a little disappointed LMTs are a pretty tight fitting rifle......the pins will loosen up, my defender and my gas piston were both very tight, I lubed the pins and worked them in and both are just fine. Tight is a good thing. It seems nice not to have to use a hammer to dissamble the rifle. |
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Both are great guns. You can not go wrong with either. Oversized FCG pins don't matter to be on the colt because I would not want to swap out the highest grade LPK for some aftermarket LPK anyways. For those who want to, as shawnmt6601 said, Colt will be phasing out the oversized FCG pins. So that will eventually be a complete non issue.
And before this thread goes any further try doing a search for Colt or LMT in the last 3 months. This topic has been beaten to death already. |
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