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Posted: 1/3/2009 6:02:27 PM EDT
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Interested in the Spike's setup.
I want to keep my syandard configuration, nothing fancy. What am i better off with, the Conversion or the whole upper. Availabilty is big issue for me, Im not really wanting to wait a long time for delivery, so Im leaning towards the Conversion. Any comments, pointers, advice, opinions??? Maybe something better than the Spike's? Everything I have had from thm has been A++ and the conversion looks like a very solid platform |
| I've got 2 Spikes uppers, 5.5" and 11.5" Lothar Walther. Both run great. The LW is extremely accurate. I will also get a conversion kit from them. I like options. I would say the dedicated .22 upper is more accurate. My LW shoots 1/2" at 50 yards. The kit gives you the option of switching back to 5.56. Depends on what you are looking for. I originally had a Ciener and that lead me to the Spikes .22 upper. I wanted to duplicate my work rifle. |
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i have had good experience with the spikes complete upper and black dog machine mags.
-the nickel plating makes it easy to clean -firing 350-400 rounds at a time, it does not jam. -way more accurate than my ciener conversion -no gas port to foul out -does not shoot gas in your face go with a dedicated upper, you'll be better off in the long run. |
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I have run several Ceiners for years.
Someday if I get ahead some I would like a spikes or a Compass Lake service rifle upper but I enjoy the flexability of the Ceiner. I can use it in all my AR stuff depending on what I feel like shooting that day . Carbine,20",Varmint,Irons,red dot,scope––Whatever. |
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I'm happy with my Ceiner kit. It'll shoot 1'' groups at 25 yards, which is nothing fantastic, but more than enough to practice offhand/movement/etc. at close range.
The thing I like the most is that I can just drop it into any one of my AR's. To clone an upper for a dedicated .22LR build, that means a second identical optic. For most of us, that means you're .22LR upper is now well over a grand. That's just for one upper for one gun, I use my Ceiner in three different AR's. So if you're looking for cheap practice with your specific firearms, go with the Ceiner. If you want a .22LR AR-15 (not a clone of any specific weapon for training purposes), than go with the dedicated upper, it'll be more accurate. |
The reason I wanted a .22 was the ability to practice drills and shoot more for less $$$$. I can get 550 rounds of .22 from Wal-Mart for about $125 cheaper than I could get 500 rounds of Wolf for. The rimfire shoots cleaner, too  . The price of XM193 right now means that 90% of the time I'm shooting .22 through my gun and saving the good stuff for 3-gun matches and more serious practice.
I want to practice with what I run. If I put the same cash into a similarly equipped dedicated .22 upper as I have into the upper I shoot then I could afford to buy about 5,000 rounds of XM193 and just practice with that. The roughly $200 I spent on the conversion kit allows me to practice cheaply with the same gun I use. The kit has already paid for itself. My POA/POI is different (about 1-2" lower at 25 yds from my 5.56 zero) with the .22, but once you figure that out then the kits are good enough for .gov work inside of 50 yards. |
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