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10/6/2008 9:05:43 AM EDT
I am considering this platform as my SHTF weapon of choice.  Does anyone have any experience with it?

I understand that the chrome-lined barrel of the N4 is "not as accurate" as Noveske's stainless offering, but was wondering if it made a difference in the real world outside of benchrest competitions...

Does anyone know the weight difference between a 16" N4 Recce verses a 16" Recon Rifle?

Also would you choose the VIS over a non-VIS for more rigid platform?  Is the price difference worth the while?

Thanks for any advice on this subject...

- BORG

10/6/2008 10:17:31 AM EDT
[#1]
I hate to give this response, but I believe all these questions have been covered recently.  

Try searching a bit.

Good Luck!
10/6/2008 10:30:38 AM EDT
[#2]
I don't see the point of the VIS with an N4 light. The VIS is heavy compared to some other options.
10/6/2008 11:40:41 AM EDT
[#3]

Quoted:
I don't see the point of the VIS with an N4 light. The VIS is heavy compared to some other options.


I spoke to Noveske this morning and was told that the weight difference with VIS was negligible.  Am I missing something?

- BORG
10/6/2008 11:55:56 AM EDT
[#4]
IMO the VIS is a nice sturdy upgrade but a DD Omega will serve you just as well and is lighter. My N4 is more accurate than I am....

10/6/2008 1:23:26 PM EDT
[#5]

Quoted:

Quoted:
I don't see the point of the VIS with an N4 light. The VIS is heavy compared to some other options.


I spoke to Noveske this morning and was told that the weight difference with VIS was negligible.  Am I missing something?

- BORG


Negligible compared to a standard upper with a Troy rail? Yes.

Negligible compared to a standard upper with a DD Lite rail? No.
10/6/2008 3:17:28 PM EDT
[#6]
Vis is heavy...
10/6/2008 3:43:05 PM EDT
[#7]
So, the VIS is heavier than the MRP?
10/6/2008 4:45:41 PM EDT
[#8]

Quoted:


I understand that the chrome-lined barrel of the N4 is "not as accurate" as Noveske's stainless offering, but was wondering if it made a difference in the real world outside of benchrest competitions...
- BORG





The N4 series barrels are VERY accurate, and there are multiple reports of shooters getting sub-MOA groups.  People have commented that the N4 series is so accurate that it almost makes SS barrels pointless.  While the N4 is chrome lined, its held to a very high standard.  
10/6/2008 6:28:46 PM EDT
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The N4 series barrels are VERY accurate, and there are multiple reports of shooters getting sub-MOA groups.  People have commented that the N4 series is so accurate that it almost makes SS barrels pointless.  While the N4 is chrome lined, its held to a very high standard.  


That is great news and I still believe that the weakest link is still the operator...  Would you go for the rigidity VIS offers, or do you think it is a waste of $$$?

I may be wrong, but my POF .308 carbine seems like it has a "VIS-like" upper receiver too and when compared against my "very flexible" Bushmaster....it does make sense that the less flex, the more accuracy you're going to have downrange...right?

- BORG
10/6/2008 6:54:12 PM EDT
[#10]

Quoted:

Quoted:
The N4 series barrels are VERY accurate, and there are multiple reports of shooters getting sub-MOA groups.  People have commented that the N4 series is so accurate that it almost makes SS barrels pointless.  While the N4 is chrome lined, its held to a very high standard.  


That is great news and I still believe that the weakest link is still the operator...  Would you go for the rigidity VIS offers, or do you think it is a waste of $$$?

I may be wrong, but my POF .308 carbine seems like it has a "VIS-like" upper receiver too and when compared against my "very flexible" Bushmaster....it does make sense that the less flex, the more accuracy you're going to have downrange...right?

- BORG


I do not believe that adding a VIS will make a rifle any more accurate, unless that rifle did not have a free floating handguard before.
10/6/2008 7:02:51 PM EDT
[#11]

Quoted:

Negligible compared to a standard upper with a Troy rail? Yes.

Negligible compared to a standard upper with a DD Lite rail? No.


+1 - I have the N4 Recce VIS and it is heavy.  I kind of wish I'd ordered a custom upper with a DD Lite rail from MSTN or G&R Tactical, but that would have been way more expensive.

If I was going to do it all over again, I'd probably just order the N4 Recce Basic upper from Noveske and put a DD rail on it myself.  YMMV.
10/6/2008 7:34:10 PM EDT
[#12]

Quoted:

+1 - I have the N4 Recce VIS and it is heavy.  I kind of wish I'd ordered a custom upper with a DD Lite rail from MSTN or G&R Tactical, but that would have been way more expensive.

If I was going to do it all over again, I'd probably just order the N4 Recce Basic upper from Noveske and put a DD rail on it myself.  YMMV.


I wonder if the latest LMT piston carbine would weigh more than your N4 Recce with the VIS option?  

Anyone?

- BORG
10/6/2008 9:42:55 PM EDT
[#13]
I have a N4 Recce Basic and added a Larue 9.0 rail. I used it in a carbine course last weekend and was hitting silhouttes at 500 yards from prone unsupported using 55gr ammo with my aimpoint and magnifier. I shot about 2000 rounds that weekend with no hiccups.

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