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[ARCHIVED THREAD] - SHTF AR ammo (Page 1 of 2)
Posted: 9/30/2008 2:32:15 PM EDT
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I'm currently still in the process of building my M4gery, but with the way things are going.. I'm getting more concerned about having ammo for a SHTF scenario. .223 rounds are cheaper, but I'm concerned about how effective they will be for combat/self defense versus 5.56. Money is a factor.. but effectively incapacitating or killing whoever is threatening me or my family is most important. I want to have enough ammo to last.. which leads me towards .223, but if using an under-powered cartridge is going to put me more at risk than nato spec cartridges.. should I fork over the extra money? (optional question) Also, if anyone is shopping around right now, whos providing the best deal on 5.56 and .223? I'm doing my googling and looking in the equipment exchange forums, FYI. But maybe theres something I've missed. |
| XM193, Privi and Wolf for practice. Buy it here Armory VA Beach |
| id drop the dough and get 5.56 TAP or tripple shock(ive read good things). I would think you only need 4 mags worth (120 rounds) 6 boxes at what... $25 a pop? thats about $150 in ammo. One to the chest should put them down quick - shoot take cover and wait till they succumb to wouds(Im assuming you shoot while there still a good distance away). If you want more ammo then id stick with M193 |
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I agree with theory on spending $$ on the best ammo you can (even if it's only 1 box). Think about it, given the chance of actually having to fire a shot in a SHTF scenario having 3 or 4 mags of quality TAP 77gr ammo seems like a smart investment. Now that Wolf has the 75gr practice ammo you can get your practice in with cheap(er) ammo and not have to adjust your sights. |
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My though is Brass cased , what ever you can get your hands on thats proven to work. 55 grain or 75 Grain at over 2700 FPS Is going to be alot better than being out Accuracy comes into play to , on top of that shot placement . Then comes the element of supprise , which to me is being somwhere the enemy dont know you are, and cant see you, |
What he said. 
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High speed expensive ammo is all good but NEVER shoot once and expect someone to succumb to their wounds. People are tough critters, so shoot until the bad guy is no longer a threat. |
| I have to disagree. My point of view is that you should have a few mags full of the best quality defensive loads that are always full, like say 3 to 4 30-rounders of 5.56. Then, you should have the bulk of your stash in whatever you can get the most of for your money (usually .223 FMJ target loads). My reasoning is that if the Poop really hits the fan, then you will want a large quantity of ammo to last you as long as possible. Hunting for instance does not require the hottest new 9000 grain 50,000 ft/sec explosive tipped round... If you have nothing to do all day but hunt, then you can take your time and place your shot. If the two legged variety is what your shooting at and it takes more than three mags or so, then chances are you are going to be hunkered down for quite some time and you are going to want as many rounds as possible. Again, this is just my theory, so if the SHTF and someone is coming to get me, then my first couple mags are going to be ballistic tips and after that, they are just going to have to get shot with FMJs... |
Thats a good point. Depends on if your on the go or not. Best bet would proly be a compromise. |
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if it was really a serious SHTF situation, do you really think 5-6 mags would be enough??? how big of a SHTF? we get invaded and citizens are called to fight to defend? do you think 6 mags would be enough??? i would get as much as I can of ammo like 193 or 855. just me.... if it S really HTF, better have lots and lots of ammo to go back to. |
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I buy Q3131 locally for $7.99 a box, I keep a few mags loaded with that (all my ARs are function checked & sithed with Q3131) then what I call "SHTF ammo" is my hoards of Wolf. I'm planning on buying Brown Bear from AIM soon though as it is much cheaper than Wolf currently ($120/500). It depends what you call "SHTF", for me that meens a time like the movie "Red Dawn" (or perhaps Barock BinLadin Huesane Obama being elected), I do not call home defence "SHTF", I call it "HOME DEFENCE". In home defence you will probably never even fire a whole mag, SHTF you may need months or years of ammo, so I buy cheap stuff that I can get the quantity up. 
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We've already been invaded.......... 9/11/2001 
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Look, in the very very very unlikely event of a true SHTF scenario that everyone mentally masturbates over all the time here you will probably only need about 5-7 mags worth. That is of course if you are a very good/disciplined shot. Having that much ammo will more than suffice. So, get yourself some "good stuff" to load that many mags. All the rest you can buy practice ammo. (BTW, the market sucks...but I don't see any SHTF happening soon) |
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I would feed anything brass. I wouldn't trust polymer or laquer-coated stuff because it doesn't expand well and leaves more gunk in your chamber to clean. If you're going a long period without cleaning (SHTF) you want the cleanest ammo possible. I've had good luck running standard reloaded & factory new brass cased 55gr FMJ. If you're talking about quality vs. quantity, I would get Hornady TAP 75 grain. If quantity vs. quality, the stock up on any brass cased surplus or reloads and you'll be fine (just find a reputable reloading company). |
*gasp* BLASPHEMY!!! BAN THE HERETIC! |
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You never know. We need to be ready for the Chinese invasion! Let us not forget the other real threats posed by zombies, the UN, and of course California. |
A SHTF situation doesnt necessarily mean an invasion. An economic collapse is probably more likely. While you wouldnt be shooting lots of people, ammo does make a great bartering tool. A future tax on ammo and components is also a great reason to stash up. Zombies, as cool as they are... eh forget it. |
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Yup, I'm pretty much the same with all of my pistols too. A couple boxes of the 'good stuff' for each caliber, then bulk up on good bang-for-the-buck ammo for killing paper and soda cans. Although I think if you can't down the most likely criminal(untrained douche bag with unmaintained $75 .25 auto with God-knows-what ammo) by the 30th round of Wolf or Centurion .223(and then 8 rounds of .45, another 8 rounds of .45, 6 shots of .357, 15+8+15 rounds of 9mm +7 rounds of .40 before I reload anything), I'm not sure what TAP would do differently. ETA: I forgot, another 6 of .38 from the Detective special if I manage to make it to the bathroom after all of that.... No reason not to stash ammo as said above, prices never really seem to go down and the shelf life is more then decent versus other things in life
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Man, what really concerns me here is that there are so many that are willing to kill each other. Remember the Civil war? In the event that there is a SHTF it will be internal. The USA has the most powerful militray in the world. Porblem is that the politicians wont allow those in charge to flex "their" muscle. So, with that said, if there is a SHTF it will be Blue hats coming to "our" governments rescue. So, WE will all need to band together here and fight for "OUR" country and our freedom. |
I agree, any one of our ~12 carrier groups can eliminate any other nation's entire Navy alone if someone in charge has the balls to 'release the hounds' when needed.  And not too many natural disasters that would completely do away with law in order in the northern Virginia area... So its either zombies or the more probable .25 auto thug in my gated community as the most likely things to ever cross my AR's business end outside of the range. My in-home go-to would be a pistol first anyway.
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Its all about shot placement. With good placement 223 will do the job, even dreaded steel case 223. |
+1 if they're worth shooting, they're worth shooting twice. |
Lets not get this thread locked with racial remarks please. |
DING DING DING and we have a winner..... My definition of SHTF is not being able to get any more in the near future. For home invasion and bump in the night nasties....night stand handgun, Sure G2 or my 870. Plan is to call the police and wait to see who is stupid enough to step on the stairs. |
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Those black helicopters DO exist, but whether or not they're used to eavesdrop on people who know too much is up for debate. http://www.globalsecurity.org/military/systems/aircraft/mh-x.htm http://www.ufoseek.com/Black_Helicopters/index.html http://tinwiki.org/wiki/Black_Helicopter |
Don't listen to him!!! Buy it cheap and stack it deep! When the Commi/Marxist/Socialist/Islamo/Fascist killers get here (easy to identify-they'll be riding on the back of T-72 tanks or running for office) you'll need all you can get!  |
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