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9/3/2008 10:25:34 AM EDT
www.youtube.com/watch?v=AGwkHktkTxU
9/3/2008 10:30:33 AM EDT
[#1]
That was a really stupid video the first two or three times it was posted too.
9/3/2008 10:40:57 AM EDT
[#2]
Note; delay time from submersion to firing for the Kraut model was more than twice that allowed for the U.S. model. Allowing the barrel to drain before the trigger was pulled.

Propaganda.

9/3/2008 10:43:32 AM EDT
[#3]
Been discussed many times.

If you watch they drain the HK barrel, but shoot the AR full of water. Gotta luv the objectivity.
9/3/2008 10:48:05 AM EDT
[#4]
please go back to HK pro with the other teenagers.
9/3/2008 10:53:39 AM EDT
[#5]
The video makes me want to dance.  
9/3/2008 10:59:44 AM EDT
[#6]
9/3/2008 11:00:24 AM EDT
[#7]
I hate to say this but HK does make some pretty damn fine weapons.   I would take the 416 over the m4 any day of the week.


Flame away kool-aid drinkers.
9/3/2008 11:03:33 AM EDT
[#8]
Is there a bunch of puddles in Iraq that solders have to shoot out of?  I haven't been there. Somebody fill me in.  
9/3/2008 11:34:32 AM EDT
[#9]
yawn.....
9/3/2008 11:37:09 AM EDT
[#10]
The test is a bit unfair as far as the timing is concerned,  but Hk has incorporated holes in the buffer tube, and with the gas piston, it will drain better than a standard DI M4, and will therefor be safer to shoot very soon after coming out of the water.

Also, not all wars have been fought, or will be fought in the desert.  Are you telling me that operators have never taken there weapons into water?  

It's funny how everyone here constantly bags on Hk.  They make some of THE best firearms in the world, and holly shit if they have marketing campaigns designed around selling those weapons.  Damn near all other products in all markets do the exact same thing to sell more units.  Numbers and specifications are always fudged with a little bit in manufacturer marketing material.

But anyhow...just keep thinking it's all just a bunch of crap cause there is no other weapon out there that brings any improvement whatsoever to the table over the M4.  The DI M4 will always and forever be the ultimate unbeatable battle rifle, and you will always feel good about yourself cause you have the best that can't be beat.
9/3/2008 11:48:28 AM EDT
[#11]

Quoted:
The test is a bit unfair as far as the timing is concerned,  but Hk has incorporated holes in the buffer tube, and with the gas piston, it will drain better than a standard DI M4, and will therefor be safer to shoot very soon after coming out of the water.


Umm, the AR has a drain hole in the buffer tube as well.
9/3/2008 11:48:44 AM EDT
[#12]

Quoted:
The test is a bit unfair as far as the timing is concerned,  but Hk has incorporated holes in the buffer tube, and with the gas piston, it will drain better than a standard DI M4, and will therefor be safer to shoot very soon after coming out of the water.

Also, not all wars have been fought, or will be fought in the desert.  Are you telling me that operators have never taken there weapons into water?  

It's funny how everyone here constantly bags on Hk.  They make some of THE best firearms in the world, and holly shit if they have marketing campaigns designed around selling those weapons.  Damn near all other products in all markets do the exact same thing to sell more units.  Numbers and specifications are always fudged with a little bit in manufacturer marketing material.

But anyhow...just keep thinking it's all just a bunch of crap cause there is no other weapon out there that brings any improvement whatsoever to the table over the M4.  The DI M4 will always and forever be the ultimate unbeatable battle rifle, and you will always feel good about yourself cause you have the best that can't be beat.


They're just pissed because the little Colt blew the fuck up.  
9/3/2008 11:55:39 AM EDT
[#13]

Quoted:
I hate to say this but HK does make some pretty damn fine weapons.   I would take the 416 over the m4 any day of the week.


Flame away kool-aid drinkers.


9/3/2008 12:00:49 PM EDT
[#14]

Quoted:
The test is a bit unfair as far as the timing is concerned,  but Hk has incorporated holes in the buffer tube, and with the gas piston, it will drain better than a standard DI M4, and will therefor be safer to shoot very soon after coming out of the water.

Also, not all wars have been fought, or will be fought in the desert.  Are you telling me that operators have never taken there weapons into water?  

It's funny how everyone here constantly bags on Hk.  They make some of THE best firearms in the world, and holly shit if they have marketing campaigns designed around selling those weapons.  Damn near all other products in all markets do the exact same thing to sell more units.  Numbers and specifications are always fudged with a little bit in manufacturer marketing material.

But anyhow...just keep thinking it's all just a bunch of crap cause there is no other weapon out there that brings any improvement whatsoever to the table over the M4.  The DI M4 will always and forever be the ultimate unbeatable battle rifle, and you will always feel good about yourself cause you have the best that can't be beat.



Knowing that the failure induced by the water in the barrel was a case head rupture, and knowing that the extra holes in the receiver extension & piston operation had no bearing on the barrel drainage....you still rush to somehow validate this fraudulent comparison.

If you fire an HK with water in the barrel, like they did the Colt, it will result in the same case head failure, and the same destruction of the receivers witnessed in the M4. No matter how well the barrel is made, the receivers are just 7075, and the ammunition is still brass cased. So, the demonstration is propaganda.

I'm not "bagging" on HK's weapon, just their BS advertising.
9/3/2008 12:04:36 PM EDT
[#15]
That music made me grab all my one dollar bills...
9/3/2008 12:05:13 PM EDT
[#16]

Quoted:

They're just pissed because the little Colt blew the fuck up.  


This isn't about personal feelings, it's about truth in advertising.
Now go upstairs and tell your mom that you want an HK for Christmas.
9/3/2008 12:14:27 PM EDT
[#17]
Ok, it's proprganda, but you're still a bunch of haters!

Hardwarz
9/3/2008 12:19:28 PM EDT
[#18]

Quoted:
Ok, it's proprganda, but you're still a bunch of haters!

Hardwarz


Kids should not be allowed in the techincal forums...
9/3/2008 12:32:12 PM EDT
[#19]
trolling
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